Were openly saying they were gonna vote for McCain

Edit: this was her personal form not the one here on DU

So it's liable to be a mighty quiet thread!

But I was in AOL chat and had epic arguments with a couple of Hillary holdouts. I voted for Hillary in my primary but at some point I accepted she was not going to win. I only remember one so called puma who threatened to vote for McCain.
I like Hillary, I voted for her again but I'm not insane, if Bernie is the nominee I'll vote for him.

Skinner said they "purged" a handful of people. When you go back to that time, and look at social media comments, for example, on YouTube, there are very few PUMA style comments.

What happened was we thought it was appalling, after 8 years of Bush, that anyone could even remotely consider voting against Obama, and we wrote PUMA's off as crazy, rather than taking them seriously. The "Hillary is 44" movement was created by someone who is now, currently, a Trump supporter.

It helped that Clinton was a magnificent unifier and rallied behind Obama like no other candidate has (who lost by under 100 delegates and arguably had the popular vote as represented by the seated delegates). That they started the campaign in Unity, NH.

But really, everyone should denounce people not voting for the nominee, and I think once we get into primary mode there should be a very strict policy in place against that crap. It was insane in 2012 and it would be even more insane if we are going up against Trump (which is very likely).

who did not support Obama in the GE were libertarians. Ironically, now they hate Clinton due to foreign policy. No idea who they support now. They are too precious and special to ever support anyone who can actually get elected.....

Pretty sure that is what will happen with Sanders/Clinton too. Many of the Sanders supporters who are threatening to sit out are not included in the electorate modeling because they are either already counted as swing voters (like my libertarian friends) or come from demographics that have not turned out in past elections. Don't get me wrong. I would LOVE for them to turnout in this GE for Clinton (if she wins the nom), and I think that would be the best strategy if they want to move Sanders' vision forward. BUT, mathematically, I think she will win, whatever they decide.

It makes for good writing on social media sites, and it makes for exciting purity tests, but a few thousand people on social media, a very loud few, going "Bernie or Bust" are nothing on the scheme of things.

Clinton by now. These are older female professionals so out of the usual Sanders demographic. We are all psychiatrists or therapists who work with mostly poor mentally ill clients. We (and our clients) cannot afford to chance having a Republican in the White House. We could have our funding cut. The Reagan administration was a total disaster for us. This is deadly serious for us.....

What someone is willing to say anonymously during a primary does not necessarily correspond to that person's actual vote in a general.

Especially when they put the increasingly precarious success of their candidate over that of the Party's chances of winning in November.

The only real difference is that the PUMA's racism has been replaced by sexism in the Bernie or Bust cadre.

are now some of her most ardent supporters here.

She wasn't then. She is now. No irony required.

Google search some stuff.
The vitriol from some back then who are some of her fiercest supporters now is palpable.

It's against TOS to publicly call out members

Otherwise we can conclude that you're just blowing smoke.

Go open a tab and search. It isn't especially hard.

That should tell you everything you need to know about those sources. Thanks for playing.

It is against DU TOS to call out people publicly which this would do.
Sorry I respect the rules and I don't take to being baited.
You can post on an internet forum, I'm sure you can use Google.

Clinton supporters are not PUMAs. Pretending they are certainly violates the spirit of DUs rules, even if it doesn't cross the line technically.

Again, quit whining and Google it.

One notorious poster was outed the other day. That one was calling H a liar in 2008 and today is hell bent on Bernie hate.

Then there is, of course the one fox news person on DU who has done the same. You can find out who by simply seeing the most replies on this forum

Pinebox is correct and the rest of you should apologize to the pinebox. Shame on yall!

Indeed... we should apologize to someone who makes an allegation yet refuses to provide evidence to support it. Because.... "shame!!!"

Go ahead and search on Google, not breaking the TOS and I'm sure you're quite capable of using it.

put up or shut up.

Go use Google, surely you know how to. You're posting on the internet after all. It isn't hard.

you made a charge, you back it up. Show me the PUMA posts or else you are just a plain, bold faced, teller of tales

Sorry if you can't internet and use Google. Not my fault.

They also stole the garden gnome my mother gave me.

(Mind you, this isn't a blanket statement...)

Now, you go to the skeezyist websites on the internets - the kind that make you want to get a shower after clicking the link - and find proof for me.

I'd cower behind petulance too if I were asked to present evidence to support my premise.

that you all are trying to bait me into bullshit and get me banned by breaking DU TOS.
Pssst I admin a Counter Strike server. I know better XD 14 year trolls troll better than you guys.
Now that being said, I didn't realize so many Hillary supporters can't seem to use Google. I mean my gosh, rather sad isn't it? I'd say so.

Hillary's positions are pretty much the same as they were 8 years ago.

Obama was the better candidate then. Clinton is the better candidate today. It's not really a difficult concept.

you're right, it's not a difficult concept.

The she's a better candidate. Half the fucking country HASNT voted and half the places they have the DNC is blatantly and openly cheating for her. Best candidate my ass, best candidate for handing the White House to a crazy fucker on the right

Since all of your assertions and supposed "reasons" for opposing her originated 30 yrs ago from the Arkansas Project funded by Richard Mellon Scaife - who would have been perfectly happy with having that crazy fucker on the right in the White House.

Facts are stubborn things but you're not entitled to your own. I feel sorry for you.

Obviously your search terms may be a tad off.
Notice the custom search function at the top right of the page?
You know, this little thing below?
It's your friend.
See that wasn't so hard was it?

None advocate not voting for Obama.

As for my personal analysis, it's no more off the mark than folks suggesting Sanders would win "all 50 States"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251650529

Are now Hllary Supporters. I'm one, and proud of it.

The post is flamebait, but it did happen.

Also sexism and racism and socialism and you must be a hell-bound complecent sex-obsessed millennial pony-humping Trump-troll Kasich-worshipping unbeliever! Repent! The Power of Debbie commands you! And praise Nancy Reagan!

you could count the PUMAs on one hand. There's no comparison to the number of Sanders supporters here and elsewhere who are claiming they won't vote for the democratic nominee if they don't get their way.

I did not "attack" them. I do not "attack" the Sanders people who are threatening to throw a temper tantrum, either. I disagree with them, debate the topic and attempt to persuade them to make a better choice. But ultimately, I don't really care who they (you?) vote for. It is your vote and your choice. And mine is mine.

People who are strongly decided for or against a candidate are not persuadable. Why waste time arguing, past a certain point? And there are always TONS of potential voters who ARE persuadable. So I find them and gently, skillfully, respectfully persuade them to my POV. I got ex-Sanders peeps on FB posting pro-Clinton articles and memes on FB already, and the primary isn't even done

Feel free to search the archives, chief...

Dudebroism is dudebroism, no matter the candidate...

that I had to do research. They did not come up on my radar the same as the PUMA 2016 have done. Puma 2016 seems much louder, starting much earlier, and way more often.

One of my mother's friends. She was bitter. And since she's affluent, I guess the issues weren't that important, since people in her income bracket pretty much land on their feet no matter who is in office. We didn't "attack" her, because she's older and self-absorbed. Glad her vote didn't matter. I think she even voted for Romney in 2012. Ugh.

In 2008 there was not the huge chasm between the candidates. Nor was there the immediacy there is today.

Bernie, being the revolutionary candidate, is really someone to go all out for. He is worth putting it all on the line. So that's what we have today.

Over the last 8 years it wouldn't have made a lot of dif were H instead of O in office.

The next 8 years are going to be very defining and Bernie is definitely the one real deal who will make a big difference for the better. H is just more of the same.

So I get the PUMA idea in 2016. It makes sense this time.

So the PUMA movement now makes even less sense than it did in 2008. McCain wasn't nearly as bad as these two.

But my point is that today, TODAY, those who say they will not vote for H in the GE are in my book PUMA. Back then --- so what? TODAY given the circumstances, I grok it.

I supported Obama in 2008. PUMAS and Bernie or bust types are not the base. They tend to be selfish and/or bigots.

I will oppose any movement of people who try to sacrifice 100% because they only stand to get 75%.

I'm not here as much as I was back for Gore vs Bush.

over to the old elm tree and my goodness, they whined and whined about DU and eventually, they started attacking their own in a private forum.

At least the owners of DU do not have a private forum to attack posters! DU is the most respected forum for intelligent discussion. When some of us mess up, we get the repercussion. But man, this forum is the best ever!

been on DU since 05. Anyway, I initially was for Hillary but voted for Obama in the General. A vote I definitely do not regret. Should Bernie pull a Hail Mary and get the nomination I will vote for him. Why? Because I am a dedicated voter who cares about women's rights, LGBT rights, almost everything both Hillary and Bernie agree on. Also because RED is too dang scary. I can not have a repuke win and have that guilt of not voting or voting green when I know green can't win.