2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNo, a "SMEAR" isn't the same thing as criticising someone's position.
A smear is a suggestion of meaning that has no basis in reality or a logically unwarranted inference.
Directly objecting to someone's actualy political positions or statements of their position isn't a smear.
Thanks, carry on.
GreenPartyVoter
(72,377 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)Apart from a handful of witless language manipulators that think everybody else is as gullible as they are.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)When they trot out all the tired RW memes and talking points about her generated over the last 30 yrs to justify themselves.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Pitiful, isn't it?
Go, Hillary!
You're a "witless language manipulator".
Now be quiet and take your lashings like a man.
(/s, sexism was sarcasm)
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)As evidenced on DU, every f*cking day.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)for voting for Clinton. The whole "she's going to win" thing was stupid to begin with.
They have nothing but silly games. There is no spine of meaning behind their behaviour. It's all just half-baked disruption and soggy debating tactics.
reddread
(6,896 posts)did she run on any issues in 2008?
oh wait. Same sex marriage?
hmmm.
any others?
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)"marriage is a sacred bond between man and woman" - UGH!
reddread
(6,896 posts)I dont think her personal view has changed.
dsc
(52,152 posts)He opposed, as in the opposite of favoring, as in saying no to, marriage equality until after his state voted for it (via their elected representatives) in 2009. He called it too divisive.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)And I was angry with him for doing so - as I was angry with him for asking Rick Warren to pray at the inauguration right after Prop H8 passed.
dsc
(52,152 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Instead, he is a strong team with Elizabeth Warren. Better company, better character, true ally of the GLBT community since the 1980-ies: Sanders.
dsc
(52,152 posts)or a different elizabeth warren. The simple, inconvenient truth is that Sanders did oppose marriage equality until after this state voted it in. He said it.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)unlike Clinton, who seemed to "convert" only when polls said she absolutely had to. And even then, she still hasn't had ONE picture taken where she shares the frame with an ordinary same sex family. And then she praised Nancy Reagan for silent activism.
dsc
(52,152 posts)All I heard was that she stopped trusting their economic stewardship, not that she found any of their social issue positions, which they held then and hold now, problematic then or that she finds them problematic now enough that she would not vote for them if they changed their economic positions.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)and meanwhile feast your eyes on Clinton's video where she explains her change of heart - oh no, there isn't one at all. Just a lot of videos where she says that "marriage is a sacred bond between man and woman".
Even that announcement video of hers: it includes a gay couple ("we plan to get married in 2016" and then Clinton: "Well IIIIIIIII have plans too"
In retrospect, we might as well paraphrase it as: "Enough about you people. Let's talk about MY turn."
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)What way to limit those but by purging the web of any and all enthousiasm for Sanders?
But if I may quote some poetry:
"Who can push back the waves of the sea?
The effort itself makes another wave."
Wie duwt de golven van de zee terug?
Het pogen zelf doet weer een golf ontstaan."
- J.H. Leopold.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)People don't form their opinions about politics from watching battles between supporters...
But you knew that.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)jittery. They know some Bernie friendly States are coming up and they know that when not winning Hillary gets prone to verbal blunders and that they themselves do the same. They see a hard stretch coming, Hillary could at any minute do another 'Ron and Nancy were HIV activists' song and dance and any number of their own might say too much and be found out.
It's all right there just under the surface with her and with lots of her supporters. Too much Bernie victory and they will lose composure and spout the hot sauce smears that simmer like emotional magma in their frightened hearts.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)It's troublesome.