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sibelian

(7,804 posts)
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:18 AM Mar 2016

No, a "SMEAR" isn't the same thing as criticising someone's position.


A smear is a suggestion of meaning that has no basis in reality or a logically unwarranted inference.

Directly objecting to someone's actualy political positions or statements of their position isn't a smear.

Thanks, carry on.
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No, a "SMEAR" isn't the same thing as criticising someone's position. (Original Post) sibelian Mar 2016 OP
So glad someone gets it! GreenPartyVoter Mar 2016 #1
Oh, don't worry, EVERYBODY gets it sibelian Mar 2016 #2
Some people like to part like 1999 never ended. eom Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #5
So, then it's appropriate to say that Hillary Clinton is getting smeared by Sanders supporters baldguy Mar 2016 #3
Exactly! You-got-it! NurseJackie Mar 2016 #12
Nope Dem2 Mar 2016 #19
Projection is a thing... when calling criticism a vast right-wing conspiracy... Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #4
They have one trick and NO excuses. There are NO LONGER ANY EXCUSES sibelian Mar 2016 #7
and no issues reddread Mar 2016 #8
Her stance on same sex marriage was bigoted back then. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #10
thats a tough one to walk back reddread Mar 2016 #11
It was his position too dsc Mar 2016 #13
You mean Obama? Yes he was jumping back on the fence for very cynical reasons. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #14
Obama and Sanders both dsc Mar 2016 #15
Sanders never palled around with Rick Warren. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #16
that would be the elizabeth warren who voted for the GOP during the 1980's dsc Mar 2016 #17
Yes, that Warren - the one who could explain her change of heart Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #18
when did she explain this change of heart dsc Mar 2016 #20
Feel free to correct yourself by watching her 2012 victory speech, Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #21
In their defense, there are some massive primary losses on the horizon for Clinton. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #9
Hm! Unlikely to be achieved through Internet message boards. sibelian Mar 2016 #24
True Duckhunter935 Mar 2016 #6
Our beloved rivals and their candidate Sec Clinton share a trait that is currently making them Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #22
This is the movement that wants to lead the United States. sibelian Mar 2016 #23

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
2. Oh, don't worry, EVERYBODY gets it
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:20 AM
Mar 2016

Apart from a handful of witless language manipulators that think everybody else is as gullible as they are.
 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
3. So, then it's appropriate to say that Hillary Clinton is getting smeared by Sanders supporters
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:23 AM
Mar 2016

When they trot out all the tired RW memes and talking points about her generated over the last 30 yrs to justify themselves.

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
19. Nope
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:30 AM
Mar 2016

You're a "witless language manipulator".

Now be quiet and take your lashings like a man.





(/s, sexism was sarcasm)

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
4. Projection is a thing... when calling criticism a vast right-wing conspiracy...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:26 AM
Mar 2016

As evidenced on DU, every f*cking day.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
7. They have one trick and NO excuses. There are NO LONGER ANY EXCUSES
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:31 AM
Mar 2016

for voting for Clinton. The whole "she's going to win" thing was stupid to begin with.

They have nothing but silly games. There is no spine of meaning behind their behaviour. It's all just half-baked disruption and soggy debating tactics.
 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
10. Her stance on same sex marriage was bigoted back then.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:51 AM
Mar 2016

"marriage is a sacred bond between man and woman" - UGH!

dsc

(52,152 posts)
13. It was his position too
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:06 AM
Mar 2016

He opposed, as in the opposite of favoring, as in saying no to, marriage equality until after his state voted for it (via their elected representatives) in 2009. He called it too divisive.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
14. You mean Obama? Yes he was jumping back on the fence for very cynical reasons.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:11 AM
Mar 2016

And I was angry with him for doing so - as I was angry with him for asking Rick Warren to pray at the inauguration right after Prop H8 passed.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
16. Sanders never palled around with Rick Warren.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:24 AM
Mar 2016

Instead, he is a strong team with Elizabeth Warren. Better company, better character, true ally of the GLBT community since the 1980-ies: Sanders.

dsc

(52,152 posts)
17. that would be the elizabeth warren who voted for the GOP during the 1980's
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:26 AM
Mar 2016

or a different elizabeth warren. The simple, inconvenient truth is that Sanders did oppose marriage equality until after this state voted it in. He said it.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
18. Yes, that Warren - the one who could explain her change of heart
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:30 AM
Mar 2016

unlike Clinton, who seemed to "convert" only when polls said she absolutely had to. And even then, she still hasn't had ONE picture taken where she shares the frame with an ordinary same sex family. And then she praised Nancy Reagan for silent activism.

dsc

(52,152 posts)
20. when did she explain this change of heart
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:33 AM
Mar 2016

All I heard was that she stopped trusting their economic stewardship, not that she found any of their social issue positions, which they held then and hold now, problematic then or that she finds them problematic now enough that she would not vote for them if they changed their economic positions.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
21. Feel free to correct yourself by watching her 2012 victory speech,
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:37 AM
Mar 2016

and meanwhile feast your eyes on Clinton's video where she explains her change of heart - oh no, there isn't one at all. Just a lot of videos where she says that "marriage is a sacred bond between man and woman".

Even that announcement video of hers: it includes a gay couple ("we plan to get married in 2016&quot and then Clinton: "Well IIIIIIIII have plans too"

In retrospect, we might as well paraphrase it as: "Enough about you people. Let's talk about MY turn."

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
9. In their defense, there are some massive primary losses on the horizon for Clinton.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:49 AM
Mar 2016

What way to limit those but by purging the web of any and all enthousiasm for Sanders?

But if I may quote some poetry:

"Who can push back the waves of the sea?
The effort itself makes another wave."

Wie duwt de golven van de zee terug?
Het pogen zelf doet weer een golf ontstaan."

- J.H. Leopold.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
24. Hm! Unlikely to be achieved through Internet message boards.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:19 PM
Mar 2016

People don't form their opinions about politics from watching battles between supporters...

But you knew that.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
22. Our beloved rivals and their candidate Sec Clinton share a trait that is currently making them
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:20 AM
Mar 2016

jittery. They know some Bernie friendly States are coming up and they know that when not winning Hillary gets prone to verbal blunders and that they themselves do the same. They see a hard stretch coming, Hillary could at any minute do another 'Ron and Nancy were HIV activists' song and dance and any number of their own might say too much and be found out.

It's all right there just under the surface with her and with lots of her supporters. Too much Bernie victory and they will lose composure and spout the hot sauce smears that simmer like emotional magma in their frightened hearts.

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