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Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:50 AM Mar 2016

Why should Bernie drop out?

I understand why Democrats are urging Bernie to shift his attacks to Trump, but I don't understand why some are urging him to drop out of the race. Okay, I can see why some Hillary supporters are nervous. In football, a team can lead by 3 touchdowns in the third quarter and every now and then the other team comes back in the fourth quarter to win the game. Bernie's chances of winning are slim, but not impossible. Let's face it -- there are very few primary voters who actively dislike him. They may feel he can't beat the Republicans or believe he hasn't really played much of a role in their lifetimes, but it's hard to find fault with him. So, he remains a viable candidate. But, that means the "worst" that happens is that he gets the nomination. Is that really so bad, Hillary supporters?

Yes, there are obnoxious Bernie supporters who compare Hillary to Nixon, Reagan, and Bush, but those people exist no matter what. You have Hillary supporters who gloat and tease Bernie supporters when their candidate loses. You have the angry mobs of sports fans who are playing politics, who want to rub the losers face in the mud or demean the winner in anyway possible. But, the reality is that the people engaged in that kind of meanness have their own shit to deal with. We don't quite know what drives them. We don't know what would drive by some accounts 11% of Hillary supporters and 19% of Bernie supporters to oppose the nominee if their candidate doesn't win. But we do know that in 2008, there were similar feelings after Obama won the nomination, and in the end only about 10% of Hillary supporters voted for McCain. The nominee will lose some support, but not all that much in the end.

But, the point is the nominee stands to gain so much more. Keeping Bernie supporters engaged in the race reduces the risk of apathy and disinterest, allows them to be part of the changing political landscape, and gives them a chance to be heard. If people are heard, they are more likely to listen. If all the states get to fully participate in the race between Hillary and Bernie, then even those on the losing end will be more open to hearing what their candidate and the nominee have to say. If Sanders stays in the race regardless of his odds, then when he and Hillary come together and urge unity, there will be far less apathy, and the votes gained will far outweigh those lost. Not only that, if Sanders supporters stay engaged, they may find ways to keep their political revolution going after the election, which can only benefit the Democrats.

Souces:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-leads-bernie-sanders-in-national-cbsnyt-poll/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_and_liberal_support_for_John_McCain_in_2008

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Why should Bernie drop out? (Original Post) Onlooker Mar 2016 OP
Because if he stays in, he might defeat Clinton and we don't want that. nt ladjf Mar 2016 #1
^this poster gets it hereforthevoting Mar 2016 #2
"Why should Bernie drop out?" Because he might win? Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #3
Hillary sure took her time in 2008, even when the handwriting was on the wall. serbbral Mar 2016 #4
Because he is a royal pain in the ass TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2016 #5
Bingo! Punkingal Mar 2016 #6
Because he's hurting the establishment's fee-fees Fawke Em Mar 2016 #7
I don't think he should and I am a Hillary supporter. n/t Lucinda Mar 2016 #8
Unify vs Unity mikehiggins Mar 2016 #9

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
7. Because he's hurting the establishment's fee-fees
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:43 AM
Mar 2016

by pointing out that most Democrats are just as beholding to big corporations, Wall Street and elite donors as Republicans.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
9. Unify vs Unity
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:54 AM
Mar 2016

IMHO it is very unlikely that the Sanders supporters are going to "Unify" with DWS's Democratic establishment, as in subsume their positions in line with the current "Third Way" thinking of that segment of the Party. Nor are the millions of small donations (yup, Hillary folk--someone who donates over $200 isn't equivalent to folks that can pay thousands of dollars for rubber chicken dinners) going to flow into HRC's coffers.

They will, no matter how many claim otherwise, show "Unity" in voting for the Democratic nominee, even one with historic levels of voter distrust. This is because if the GOPuke candidate, no matter WHO it is, gets into the White House this nation will face untold hardships in terms of discrimination against anyone who doesn't look like them (or have sex like them), in terms of economic downturns and in terms of a shattering collapse of this Nation's standing in the world.

So, yes, the vast majority of Sanders' supporters will vote for the "regular" candidate but there will be no unification. The future (as the magic 8-ball says) is murky but the idea that things will go back to zero on the political front? Well, it ain't necessarily so and the stronger and more organized the "progressive" Democratic voices become as a result of this primary challenge to the Powers That Be, the better.

Sanders isn't going to stand down, or stop trying to win over Democratic voters to the causes he has reminded the Party used to be why we were Democrats in the first place.

See you folks at the convention.

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