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marmar

(77,078 posts)
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:29 AM Mar 2016

TYT: Hillary's "enemies" list




Published on Mar 21, 2016

Hillary Clinton keeps a list of her political friends and enemies. She does this so her staff can quickly decide who to reward and who to punish when favors are asked. Basically it’s for streamlining corruption. Cenk Uygur, host of the The Young Turks, breaks it down. Tell us what you think in the comment section below.

"For months they had meticulously updated a wall-size dry-erase board with color-coded symbols, letters and arrows to track which lawmakers were leaning toward endorsing Hillary and which were headed in Obama’s direction. For example, the letters “LO” indicated that a lawmaker was “leaning Obama,” while “BD” in blue denoted that he or she was a member of the centrist Blue Dog Coalition on Capitol Hill.

As one of the last orders of business for a losing campaign, they recorded in a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet the names and deeds of members of Congress. They carefully noted who had endorsed Hillary, who had backed Obama, and who had stayed on the sidelines—standard operating procedure for any high-end political organization. But the data went into much more nuanced detail. “We wanted to have a record of who endorsed us and who didn’t,” a member of Hillary’s campaign team said, “and of those who endorsed us, who went the extra mile and who was just kind of there. And of those who didn’t endorse us, those who understandably didn’t endorse us because they are (Congressional Black Caucus) members or Illinois members. And then, of course, those who endorsed him but really should have been with her … that burned her.””*


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TYT: Hillary's "enemies" list (Original Post) marmar Mar 2016 OP
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2016 #1
there is an element to this that seems very very.......... bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #2
Nixonian? nt BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #16
+10,000% nt TheDormouse Mar 2016 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Mar 2016 #46
...spurious? Orsino Mar 2016 #60
I used to like Cenk Uygur but i guess now I have to put him on the bad list now. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #3
Can't deny the report, so demonize the messenger. Sounds like Hillary alright. berni_mccoy Mar 2016 #4
No i'm Justin, not Hillary. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #6
SOUNDS like Hillary. Words were the key here. berni_mccoy Mar 2016 #7
I sound like Hillary? Well i admire her so thanks. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #8
If you like sounding like her... well then ... berni_mccoy Mar 2016 #23
Yes African American lives matter as do their votes. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #24
Yes, she needed their vote and hugged Obama until she got it. berni_mccoy Mar 2016 #26
Run with that and watch your candidate lose even more. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #27
Perfect. 840high Mar 2016 #54
you mean under the bus!?!! nooooooo! wendylaroux Mar 2016 #11
Ok i declare prace! hrmjustin Mar 2016 #13
ha! nt wendylaroux Mar 2016 #14
? hootinholler Mar 2016 #35
Please proceed governor! hrmjustin Mar 2016 #36
He has a background just like Hillary, was on the right now is on the left... snooper2 Mar 2016 #65
Her reputation is well known...and not in a good way. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #5
real life House of Cards--the epitomy of crony capitalism. bbgrunt Mar 2016 #9
I suspect there is a virtually identical version of this Excel spreadsheet BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #10
someone should recreate the pay to play list from the news articles available questionseverything Mar 2016 #57
That would probably be a full time job for about 6 months BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #70
I remember reading that the Obama team had a similar board. Politics. Metric System Mar 2016 #12
I assume that while there was a race they did keep track of who supported them and their willingness karynnj Mar 2016 #19
It was a spreadsheet! People "save" spreadsheets all the time. And items on the spreadsheet bettyellen Mar 2016 #59
The problem was not the list. Of course, everyone had lists karynnj Mar 2016 #61
Former employees characterizing the list as something sinister is a fact now? Or gossip? bettyellen Mar 2016 #87
From one of your dreams? closeupready Mar 2016 #29
Yes. This is likely correct ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #90
Cenk LuvLoogie Mar 2016 #15
LuvLoogie whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #20
I would have handed you a paper bag for that, LuvLoogie Mar 2016 #72
And this explains a lot about why she got many of the jwirr Mar 2016 #17
If it does, there are a lot of easily intimidated superdelegates. HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #94
Hope you are right. jwirr Mar 2016 #96
Average people don't like being threatened. I know every Congress-critter isn't Alan Grayson HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #97
This is why the Congressional endorsements don't really mean crap. djean111 Mar 2016 #18
But she's got a (D) after her name whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #21
Revenge. Ino Mar 2016 #22
If this stuff really is true CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #30
I never thought of that senz Mar 2016 #103
For the Sanders supporters who claim to only see only KMOD Mar 2016 #25
What the fuck ever. It's documented. marmar Mar 2016 #28
Please provide evidence of an alleged victim of KMOD Mar 2016 #33
.... marmar Mar 2016 #40
Hell, no. Cenk is an idiot. KMOD Mar 2016 #45
"No! Because SEXISM!!!!!!!" closeupready Mar 2016 #31
I don't find it funny at all. KMOD Mar 2016 #34
lol closeupready Mar 2016 #42
Well, if there isn't any legitimate rebuttal... Else You Are Mad Mar 2016 #91
They are ironically The Boys Who Cried Wolf. closeupready Mar 2016 #92
Sexism? Fawke Em Mar 2016 #37
Well, the smear isn't called KMOD Mar 2016 #39
Sexism my ass. The list is real. 840high Mar 2016 #55
"...this whole smear is rooted in sexism." Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #62
Was "lose" a spelling error of "loose"? KMOD Mar 2016 #63
Thanks for pointing out the autocorrect error. Much appreciated. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #68
There are many women sadly who reinforce sexism. KMOD Mar 2016 #69
Sure. I'm not one of them. And don't lie about me. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #74
I think your posts speak for you KMOD Mar 2016 #77
I should hope so. To an _honest_ reader, they say I'm a feminist. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #79
You are just full of insults aren't you? KMOD Mar 2016 #81
When being deliberately slandered? Fucking right I am. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #84
"more than a bit revealing of where your mind goes" - oh yeah. Baseless charges of sexism, closeupready Mar 2016 #93
They are a Faux pas Mar 2016 #32
this kind of crap dana_b Mar 2016 #38
OMG, someone kept a spread sheet of supporters vs non-supporters and "saved it" - it's GOTV. bettyellen Mar 2016 #41
Exactly ^^^^^^ radical noodle Mar 2016 #56
This gotcha stuff is incredibly naive. What ever happened to learning from others before assuming? bettyellen Mar 2016 #58
Yes, and I should hope so too! auntpurl Mar 2016 #66
This is a recurring theme w/ SBS supporters. OMG, the DNC is not registering voters...... bettyellen Mar 2016 #88
yep. Money and the Clinton frenemy list. Thanks for posting. nt antigop Mar 2016 #43
For the third time, people here (who don't remember) think I was making it up closeupready Mar 2016 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Mar 2016 #51
That is really above-and-beyond vindictiveness. closeupready Mar 2016 #53
Kick closeupready Mar 2016 #47
Dolores Umbridge anyone? I think they are the same person. n/t Avalux Mar 2016 #48
and this November or January the party frog will lie dying wondering why it MisterP Mar 2016 #49
How Nixonian. CharlotteVale Mar 2016 #50
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #64
There's also THIS, from January, 2014 -- senz Mar 2016 #67
Here's what happened to Claire McCaskill: senz Mar 2016 #71
K&R liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #73
John Lewis was on the list too. senz Mar 2016 #75
Rep Jim Clyburn describes in a 2014 memoir how Bill Clinton came after him TheDormouse Mar 2016 #76
Oh, please...... Beacool Mar 2016 #78
And Ted Kennedy? The ultimate in schadenfreude. senz Mar 2016 #80
A lot of B.S. from Parnes and Allen's book. Beacool Mar 2016 #82
Haters gotta hate farleftlib Mar 2016 #85
Yup, and on that level, it gets scary. senz Mar 2016 #98
liberals ibegurpard Mar 2016 #83
Claire McCaskill admitted her fear and aversion for Hillary - but she came round for 2016. senz Mar 2016 #86
Honor Sen. Warren's courage as the sole female Democratic senator not to endorse Hill. senz Mar 2016 #89
Unrelated question: When do the Young Turks drop the "young" part CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #95
The name refers those in a party or movment who promote reform or rebellion. senz Mar 2016 #99
It would be a hoot if someone found this list & fucked with it BuelahWitch Mar 2016 #100
LOL! I like the way your mind works, Buelah. senz Mar 2016 #101
. BuelahWitch Mar 2016 #102
So she's Hillary Bush Nixon now... John Poet Mar 2016 #104
This comes from a fascinating article, highly recommend it. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #105
How does anybody know this? moondust Mar 2016 #106
I think it's from this article... Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #107
Thanks for the link. n/t moondust Mar 2016 #108

Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #2)

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
60. ...spurious?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:45 PM
Mar 2016

Maybe the video has some substance, but the quoted text (thank you for that) doesn't sound sinister. Mind-reading of the candidate aside, I have no problem with careful tracking and management of a team during a game of inches.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
24. Yes African American lives matter as do their votes.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:32 PM
Mar 2016

And clearly they are voting fof Hillary, not Sanders.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
26. Yes, she needed their vote and hugged Obama until she got it.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:40 PM
Mar 2016

Now that she got their vote, Obama's legacy was awful.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
65. He has a background just like Hillary, was on the right now is on the left...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:59 PM
Mar 2016

Personally I think he is kind of a grifter but that doesn't matter. I don't watch him his voice is ANNOYING!

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
10. I suspect there is a virtually identical version of this Excel spreadsheet
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:39 AM
Mar 2016

For managing the pay to play side of things, who gets political influence and how much based on funds given directly and funds raised from others that goes to (a) Bill or Hillary or Chelsea for speeches, (b) Bill or Hillary or Chelsea via corporate boards or paid advisory roles, (c) Hillary's campaign, (d) Hillary SuperPacs and (e) the Clinton Foundation.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
70. That would probably be a full time job for about 6 months
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:19 PM
Mar 2016

What is really ironic here is that according the story that is the subject of this thread (and plenty credible, based on so many specifics) the Clintons keep a list of friends, enemies, every little favor that needs to be repaid. But she pretends that the people in the top 0.01%, the corporations, and foreign governments who have shoveled money at the Clintons (via speeches, consulting arrangements and donations to their political campaigns, SuperPacs and the Clinton Foundation) not only don't keep such lists of their own for every politician they support, but that they don't expect anything back. And this would also suggest that Hillary and Bill keep a list of everybody they owe favors to and everybody they want to punish politically, but they keep no such list on the financial side. It is preposterous. Nobody but her most naive political supporters would believe it for a minute.

There is a psychological principle called reciprocity. Most of us do not like to be in somebody's debt or to have others in our debt. If you treat me to a meal, I feel the need to treat you to a meal or do something else for you to repay the favor. It is why Sam Walton of Wal-Mart (who Hillary knew well) wouldn't allow his buyers to even accept a meal from a supplier or potential supplier, because he didn't want them to even be subconsciously influenced by it. Judges must recuse themselves from cases where they have a personal or economic interest, or at least disclose such interests to both sides when they don't recuse themselves. But Hillary and Bill pretend that they can take in millions from powerful people, corporations and foreign governments without there being any quid pro quos or it having any impact on their decision making.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
19. I assume that while there was a race they did keep track of who supported them and their willingness
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:06 PM
Mar 2016

to act as advocates in various places or on various issues. What was disturbing was that as a last act of a failing campaign, they recorded all of this on a spreadsheet. The innocuous possibility is that they wanted it for 2016 or to thank people who had supported them. However, there were other accounts, in addition to this, that stressed those people that the Clintons were angriest at. People they thought indebted to them, who did not support her. It is pretty clear that many could likely consider themselves permanently written off by the Clintons ... unless there are ways the Clintons could use them.

To me, the strangest part of that was that because he had been President, they counted anyone, who in any race had the President's support - something that is a given for most people in good standing in their own party. In addition, any help that others had given the Clintons -- in 1992, while he was President, when he was being impeached etc didn't count against that debt. Only what the Clintons had done for the party -- and no discounting for any negatives either.

The worst thing is that I honestly think that trait - which I view as a very negative human trait - likely has helped both of them. The fact that she is highly likely to be President may have made many consider that they should commit when she asked them to rather than be pariahs if she won.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
59. It was a spreadsheet! People "save" spreadsheets all the time. And items on the spreadsheet
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:41 PM
Mar 2016

can be recategorized- probably like most Obama supporters are now considered Clinton supporters.
Every campaign does this. All of them. So naive that this seems like evidence of anything nefarious. If Bernie has no lists, he is fucked. They all keep lists of who they can and cannot depend on for this and that.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
61. The problem was not the list. Of course, everyone had lists
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:49 PM
Mar 2016

It is the fact that many people were then essentially on their enemies list.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
87. Former employees characterizing the list as something sinister is a fact now? Or gossip?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:01 PM
Mar 2016

What did they do to people on the shit list?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
90. Yes. This is likely correct ...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:22 PM
Mar 2016

IOWs, HRC and President Obama are doing what every single political person does, and has done, since the beginning of time ... remembering who is/was supportive of your efforts and who wasn't ... and if they are, particularly, efficient about their list, it would include assumptions for why the person was supportive or not.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
17. And this explains a lot about why she got many of the
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:53 AM
Mar 2016

endorsements she has. Either/or friends. At the time many of those endorsements were given it still appeared if she was going to have a coronation. Get on the wagon or get punished.

There is so much about the way the Clinton's do politics that I do not want to be a part of. Is this why so many people who were dealing with the State Department ended up donating to the Foundation?

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
94. If it does, there are a lot of easily intimidated superdelegates.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:31 PM
Mar 2016

Every 'leader' I've ever known would kick that sort of behavior in the ass.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
97. Average people don't like being threatened. I know every Congress-critter isn't Alan Grayson
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:59 PM
Mar 2016

but I'd expect them all to really be offended and I'd expect some to be quietly vengeful about being threatened that way.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
18. This is why the Congressional endorsements don't really mean crap.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:56 AM
Mar 2016

Fear, not admiration.

Kudos to Liz Warren - I suppose she is a "stayed on the sidelines" entry.

What a way to think a country should be run - for one's own wealth and power.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
22. Revenge.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:25 PM
Mar 2016
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/02/12/confidants-diary-clinton-wanted-to-keep-records-for-revenge/
Shortly before Hillary Clinton’s effort to pass health care reform died in the summer of 1994, the first lady asked a close friend and confidant for advice on “how best to preserve her general memories of the administration and of health care in particular.”

When asked why, according to the friend’s June 20, 1994, diary entry, Clinton said, “Revenge.”


Clinton aide: “Ted Kennedy... dead”
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/195188-hillarys-hit-list
Many of the other names on the traitor side of the ledger were easy to remember, from Ted Kennedy to John Lewis, the civil rights icon whose defection had been so painful that Bill Clinton seemed to be in a state of denial about it. In private conversations, he tried to explain away Lewis’s motivations for switching camps midstream, after Obama began ratcheting up pressure for black lawmakers to get on “the right side of history.”

Lewis, because of his own place in American history and the unique loyalty test he faced with the first viable black candidate running for president, is a perfect example of why Clinton aides had to keep track of more detailed information than the simple binary of for and against. Perhaps someday Lewis’s betrayal could be forgiven.

(snip)

Still, Clinton aides exulted in schadenfreude when their enemies faltered. Years later they would joke about the fates of folks who they felt had betrayed them. “Bill Richardson: investigated; John Edwards: disgraced by scandal; Chris Dodd: stepped down,” one said to another. “Ted Kennedy,” the aide continued, lowering his voice to a whisper for the punch line, “dead.”

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
30. If this stuff really is true
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:47 PM
Mar 2016

then she had to be angry at many people--because many important members of Congress endorsed Obama. Wasn't Pelosi one of his biggest proponents.

If the Clintons really do behave in this manner, then they also have many, many enemies. You can't behave this way without the retribution circling around back to get you.

A good time to remember that Clinton is now under FBI investigation for her private email server, and the IT guy who set up the arrangement has been granted immunity.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
103. I never thought of that
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:15 AM
Mar 2016

except for the Obama family who had every reason to loathe her after 2008. I'd just assumed people who had opposed the Clintons would be afraid of them because they're wealthy, connected, powerful, unprincipled, and vengeful. But thinking about what you wrote, I realized I'm judging others by myself, and politicians are not like most of us. The Clintons may make them nervous, but not necessarily frightened, except perhaps in the case of Claire McCaskill...

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/195193-mccaskill-didnt-want-to-be-in-elevator-with-clinton

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
25. For the Sanders supporters who claim to only see only
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:37 PM
Mar 2016

political differences, and not smears, this OP is for you.

There is no hit list. In fact, this whole smear is rooted in sexism.

Hillary Clinton is respected and admired throughout the Democratic Party. She has been helping Democrats get elected to office for decades.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
33. Please provide evidence of an alleged victim of
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:52 PM
Mar 2016

"Hillary's Hit List".

You can't, because there aren't any.

marmar

(77,078 posts)
40. ....
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:08 PM
Mar 2016

Did you watch the segment? So the Politico was just making it all up huh? Or they just sexist too?

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
45. Hell, no. Cenk is an idiot.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:17 PM
Mar 2016

This is all based on a smear from a book. It's not factual, it's fantasy.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
37. Sexism?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:01 PM
Mar 2016


I didn't realize Bill was female, since he's alleged to help keep this list and had his own.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
62. "...this whole smear is rooted in sexism."
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:54 PM
Mar 2016

What a steaming load. Is there actually a limit to how low you and your sleazy candidate will go?

ProTip: rhetorical question.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
63. Was "lose" a spelling error of "loose"?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:57 PM
Mar 2016

Love that you added "sleazy" as well.

ProTip: Your sexism is showing.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
68. Thanks for pointing out the autocorrect error. Much appreciated.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:04 PM
Mar 2016

Less appreciated was that idiotic assertion of "sexism" on my part. The only response I can give to that (that won't be hidden) is that of all the parts of me, my vagina is probably the most surprised too see that.

ProTip: consider learning what words actually mean before employing them. "criticizing a woman" =/= "sexism"

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
69. There are many women sadly who reinforce sexism.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:09 PM
Mar 2016

It is ingrained and accepted in society. Being a woman does not make you immune to it.

You chose to use "loose" and "sleazy".

ProTip: Think about that. There were plenty of other adjectives to use, yet those were the ones that came to your mind.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
74. Sure. I'm not one of them. And don't lie about me.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:25 PM
Mar 2016

I never intended OR typed the word "loose." I had autocorrect pick "lose" for some reason, and I corrected that to the intended "low" after you pointed it out. "Loose" was your creation in this conversation, more than a bit revealing of where your mind goes. Retract your slanderous, insulting lie.

No apology for "sleazy," either. The word has connotations far beyond anything gender-related. It (obviously...to anyone not desperately searching for something to slander another poster over) referred to her corruption, serial lying, weathervane nature, and so forth.

Spare me your bullshit faux poutrage.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
79. I should hope so. To an _honest_ reader, they say I'm a feminist.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:35 PM
Mar 2016

To you? Well...it's pretty obvious what they say to liars.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
81. You are just full of insults aren't you?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:41 PM
Mar 2016

Again, I think your posts say all I need to know about you.

Enjoy your day.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
84. When being deliberately slandered? Fucking right I am.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:57 PM
Mar 2016

That's what liars deserve. Don't like it? Then stop fucking lying about me or Ignore me.

Otherwise, fucking deal with it. Liar.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
93. "more than a bit revealing of where your mind goes" - oh yeah. Baseless charges of sexism,
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:54 PM
Mar 2016

baseless, artful smears of sexism ... Hillary Clinton for Victim-In-Chief is what it's all about with that one.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
38. this kind of crap
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:03 PM
Mar 2016

makes me nauseous. I understand wanting to know who will work with you, but this kind of tracking and labeling seems like vindication is a goal or purpose of creating the lists.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
41. OMG, someone kept a spread sheet of supporters vs non-supporters and "saved it" - it's GOTV.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:11 PM
Mar 2016

That is how things get done, whipping up support and votes. Probably 3/4 of those people who were non-supporters are supporters now. Things change. Obama is leaving, this is how things progress.

Would you really prefer to think Sanders campaign has no "lists"? I assure you, they do. Of politicians, of voters, of issues, etc etc etc. All organizations do this.

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
56. Exactly ^^^^^^
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:59 PM
Mar 2016

I would expect any organization to keep track of the things necessary to what they're doing. Campaigns keep track of campaign related information. This gotcha stuff is just stupid. I'm sure Obama keeps or kept such lists. Lincoln probably did. Are we so naive that we didn't know this?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
58. This gotcha stuff is incredibly naive. What ever happened to learning from others before assuming?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:38 PM
Mar 2016

If I have to hear one more time that the DNC should have registered voters or that a crowded parking lot means voter suppression I am going to scream. And GOTV lists that are strongly pro-Bernie. Derp- that is what GOTV lists are, FFS.

Obviously a lot of first time voters- who are making tons of assumptions and feeding each other conspiracy theories like cake. They should be embarrassed. Never seen such paranoia.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
66. Yes, and I should hope so too!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:01 PM
Mar 2016

Any political campaign that ISN'T keeping track of how the land lies is not doing its job.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
88. This is a recurring theme w/ SBS supporters. OMG, the DNC is not registering voters......
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:04 PM
Mar 2016

the NEVER DO! People need to educate themselves about process instead of being shocked and dismayed at every turn.
Did they not hire any experienced people?

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
44. For the third time, people here (who don't remember) think I was making it up
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:13 PM
Mar 2016

when I said that one of her supporters here stated that she was keeping a DU list of members here who did not support her, for the stated reason of exacting revenge on them after she takes office.

Stories like this underscore the fact that her campaign is keeping these lists not just on DU, but probably anywhere campaigning is going on.

She scares me, and I'm being 100% honest.

Response to closeupready (Reply #44)

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
67. There's also THIS, from January, 2014 --
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:03 PM
Mar 2016

January 12, 2014, 09:00 pm
Hillary’s hit list

By Amie Parnes and Jonathan Allen

For months they had meticulously updated a wall-size dry-erase board with color-coded symbols, letters, and arrows to track which lawmakers were leaning toward endorsing Hillary and which were headed in Obama’s direction. For example, the letters “LO” indicated that a lawmaker was “leaning Obama,” while “BD” in blue denoted that he or she was a member of the centrist Blue Dog Coalition on Capitol Hill.

As one of the last orders of business for a losing campaign, they recorded in a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet the names and deeds of members of Congress. They carefully noted who had endorsed Hillary, who backed Barack Obama, and who stayed on the sidelines—standard operating procedure for any high-end political organization. But the data went into much more nuanced detail.

“We wanted to have a record of who endorsed us and who didn’t,” said a member of Hillary’s campaign team, “and of those who endorsed us, who went the extra mile and who was just kind of there. And of those who didn’t endorse us, those who understandably didn’t endorse us because they are [Congressional Black Caucus] members or Illinois members. And then, of course, those who endorsed him but really should have been with her … that burned her.”

More here: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/195188-hillarys-hit-list

It's a great read.
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
71. Here's what happened to Claire McCaskill:
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:20 PM
Mar 2016
When the Clintons sat in judgment, Claire McCaskill got the seat closest to the fire. Bill and Hillary had gone all out for her when she ran for Senate in Missouri in 2006. But McCaskill seemed to forget that favor when NBC’s Tim Russert asked her whether Bill had been a great president, during a “Meet the Press” debate against then-Sen. Jim Talent in October 2006.

“He’s been a great leader,” McCaskill said of Bill, “but I don’t want my daughter near him.”

Instantly, McCaskill regretted her remark; the anguish brought her “to the point of epic tears,” according to a friend. She knew the comment had sounded much more deliberate than a forgivable slip of the tongue. So did Hillary, who immediately canceled a planned fundraiser for McCaskill.

A few days later McCaskill called Bill Clinton to offer a tearful apology. Bill was gracious, which just made McCaskill feel worse. After winning the seat, she was terrified of running into Hillary Clinton in the Capitol. “I really don’t want to be in an elevator alone with her,” McCaskill confided to the friend.

But Hillary, who was just then embarking on her presidential campaign, still wanted something from McCaskill—the Missourian’s endorsement. Women’s groups, including EMILY’s List, pressured McCaskill to jump aboard the Clinton bandwagon, and Hillary courted her new colleague personally, setting up a one-on-one lunch in the Senate Dining Room in early 2007. Rather than ask for her support directly, Hillary took a softer approach, seeking common ground on the struggles of campaigning, including the physical toll. “There’s a much more human side to Hillary,” McCaskill thought.

Obama, meanwhile, was pursuing her too, in a string of conversations on the Senate floor. Clearly, Hillary thought she had a shot at McCaskill. But for McCaskill, the choice was always whether to endorse Obama or stay on the sidelines. In January 2008 she not only became the first female senator to endorse Obama but she also made the case to his team that her support would be amplified if Govs. Kathleen Sebelius and Janet Napolitano came out for him at roughly the same time.

McCaskill offered up a small courtesy, calling Hillary’s personal aide, Huma Abedin, ahead of the endorsement to make sure it didn’t blindside Hillary.

But the trifecta of women leaders giving Obama their public nod was a devastating blow. Hate is too weak a word to describe the feelings that Hillary’s core loyalists still have for McCaskill, who seemed to deliver a fresh endorsement of Obama—and a caustic jab at Hillary—every day during the primary.


http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/195188-hillarys-hit-list

Apparently, Claire was eventually brought to heel.
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
75. John Lewis was on the list too.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:31 PM
Mar 2016

Again, this is from January, 2014.

Many of the other names on the traitor side of the ledger were easy to remember, from Ted Kennedy to John Lewis, the civil rights icon whose defection had been so painful that Bill Clinton seemed to be in a state of denial about it. In private conversations, he tried to explain away Lewis’s motivations for switching camps midstream, after Obama began ratcheting up pressure for black lawmakers to get on “the right side of history.”

Lewis, because of his own place in American history and the unique loyalty test he faced with the first viable black candidate running for president, is a perfect example of why Clinton aides had to keep track of more detailed information than the simple binary of for and against. Perhaps someday Lewis’s betrayal could be forgiven.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/195188-hillarys-hit-list

Anyone still think there isn't a heavy dose of fear involved in Hillary's endorsements?

TheDormouse

(1,168 posts)
76. Rep Jim Clyburn describes in a 2014 memoir how Bill Clinton came after him
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:34 PM
Mar 2016

after Clyburn endorsed Obama instead of Hillary in 2008.

Clinton later apologized, and Clyburn says he accepted the apology half-heartedly.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
78. Oh, please......
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:35 PM
Mar 2016

TYT is in the tank for Sanders. This nonsense appeared in 2008 after Obama won the nomination, it's not an "enemy" list. Anybody here ever worked for a campaign? Every campaign has a list of people (politicians, mostly) who support and don't support the candidate.

You don't think that Sanders' campaign has a similar list?

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
80. And Ted Kennedy? The ultimate in schadenfreude.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:37 PM
Mar 2016

Again, from January, 2014.

Ted Kennedy (another seven on the hit list) was a different story.

He had slashed Hillary worst of all, delivering a pivotal endorsement speech for Obama just before the Super Tuesday primaries that cast her as yesterday’s news and Obama as the rightful heir to Camelot. He did it in conjunction with a New York Times op-ed by Caroline Kennedy that said much the same thing in less thundering tones. Bill Clinton had pleaded with Kennedy to hold off, but to no avail.

Still, Clinton aides exulted in schadenfreude when their enemies faltered. Years later they would joke about the fates of folks who they felt had betrayed them.

“Bill Richardson: investigated; John Edwards: disgraced by scandal; Chris Dodd: stepped down,” one said to another. “Ted Kennedy,” the aide continued, lowering his voice to a whisper for the punch line, “dead.”


http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/195188-hillarys-hit-list

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
82. A lot of B.S. from Parnes and Allen's book.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:49 PM
Mar 2016

If McCaskill and Kerry were at the top of this "enemy" list, when did Hillary retaliate for their lack of support in 2008? Kerry and Hillary have an amicable relationship. McCaskill endorsed Hillary and publicly suggested that she should run for president in 2012 (the same goes for Pelosi). McCaskill has been actively campaigning for Hillary.

The only one who is out in the cold is Richardson, and that's with Bill, not Hillary. Bill considered Richardson to be a good friend and never forgave him for lying to his face.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
85. Haters gotta hate
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:58 PM
Mar 2016

Bill and Hill are truly and completely shameless. How many have they thrown under the bus? Too many to count.

And as far as Dems being disgraced by scandal, their glass houses have some pretty serious cracks.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
86. Claire McCaskill admitted her fear and aversion for Hillary - but she came round for 2016.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:01 PM
Mar 2016
Sen. McCaskill didn’t want to be in same elevator with Hillary Clinton

By Niall Stanage

The ill-feeling between Hillary Clinton and Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) was at one point so intense that the Missouri Democrat told a friend that she was scared of getting stuck alone with the former first lady.


<snip>

McCaskill has been doing her best to mend bridges since then, most conspicuously with a startlingly early endorsement of Clinton for president in 2016.

In June 2013, McCaskill released a statement through the website of Ready for Hillary, the super-PAC working to promote a Clinton candidacy. In the statement, the Missouri Democrat acknowledged that she had backed Obama early on in 2008. “I worked my heart out to elect him president,” she wrote.

But she also stated: “Now, as I look at 2016 and think about who is best to lead this country forward, I’m proud to announce that I am Ready for Hillary.”

The following month, McCaskill publicly apologized for the 2006 comments about not wanting her daughter close to President Clinton.

“It was not necessary,” McCaskill recounted at the 2013 event, a public interview with a Washington reporter for Buzzfeed. “It was gratuitous and hurtful and I have apologized to both President Clinton and Hillary Clinton for saying it.”


http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/195193-mccaskill-didnt-want-to-be-in-elevator-with-clinton
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
89. Honor Sen. Warren's courage as the sole female Democratic senator not to endorse Hill.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:13 PM
Mar 2016

It's easy to understand why Elizabeth Warren is reluctant to go all the way and endorse her ideological compatriot, Bernie Sanders.

If Hill gets the nomination, it would seriously cripple one of our very best senators.

If Hill somehow obtained the presidency, I don't even want to think about what life would be like for Sen. Warren.

She deserves support and gratitude for what she's doing now.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
99. The name refers those in a party or movment who promote reform or rebellion.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:50 PM
Mar 2016
The show's name derives from the English-language phrase "Young Turk", meaning a reformist or rebellious member of an institution, movement, or political party.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Turks

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
100. It would be a hoot if someone found this list & fucked with it
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:09 PM
Mar 2016

Deleted it and all copies , or rearranged the "naughty" and nice list, or put Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, etc. Whaddya bet this thing is 500 times more secure than the SoS stuff?

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
105. This comes from a fascinating article, highly recommend it.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:11 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/hillary-clinton-hit-list-102067

It's ironic to me that the Clintons carefully catalog perceived "betrayals" to themselves while at the same time completely betraying the public trust and their oaths of office.

Typical of the one-way mentality.

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/01/30/clinton-system-donor-machine-2016-election/


(Edit to add: link to original article at top of post)

moondust

(19,976 posts)
106. How does anybody know this?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:00 PM
Mar 2016

For a long time I've suspected that some--perhaps many--of her endorsements have been made out of fear of career-damaging revenge/blacklisting by the Clinton Machine should she end up in the White House. Where does Cenk get this stuff?

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