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DCBob

(24,689 posts)
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:43 PM Mar 2016

Politico: "This was supposed to be the beginning of Bernie Sanders’ comeback." ... NOT.

This was supposed to be the beginning of Bernie Sanders’ comeback.

But if the Vermont senator fails to win the big prize Tuesday — Arizona, where polls show him facing a double-digit deficit — his expected string of victories in the caucus states that follow won’t make a dent in Hillary Clinton’s daunting delegate lead or erase the impression that his campaign can’t win in states with diverse Democratic electorates.

Still, after losing all five March 15 contests, the primary calendar is suddenly looking better for Sanders. Two of the three states voting Tuesday are in his wheelhouse — Idaho and Utah, both largely white states holding caucuses. Then, on Saturday, come three more Western caucus states where the Vermont senator could run the table.

A successful run of five wins over the next five days won’t solve Sanders’ delegate math problem, but it would serve to prime his powerhouse small-donor fundraising machine and enable him to justify continuing his long-shot campaign deep into the primary calendar — perhaps even through June.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/sanders-clinton-arizona-idaho-utah-221039#ixzz43eOTpb7b

Arizona is the big prize and Hillary is looking good there. Its a closed primary with a diverse voting population. Bernie doesn't do well with a diverse electorate. After tonight its likely Hillary will have padded her lead over Bernie making his "comeback" even more improbable.
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Politico: "This was supposed to be the beginning of Bernie Sanders’ comeback." ... NOT. (Original Post) DCBob Mar 2016 OP
Hillary's got this!! lewebley3 Mar 2016 #1
No doubt.. DCBob Mar 2016 #2
I have always loved that pic. thanks for the blow up riversedge Mar 2016 #15
Here's another. Loudestlib Mar 2016 #35
this one is even more disgusting . stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #79
Yes... she's got an investigation over her head! Fawke Em Mar 2016 #7
No: Hillary is not under investigation; people are just going through emails lewebley3 Mar 2016 #37
Sure, the FBI just have 150 people going through her emails Kentonio Mar 2016 #46
If there was something: they would have found it: Hillary is honest lewebley3 Mar 2016 #49
Oh good God (nt) CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #52
Pretty funny, right? Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #76
You wish: Hillary has stood up to every attack: she is Presidential lewebley3 Mar 2016 #75
He's also losing in many of the largest states remaining by large numbers politicaljunkie41910 Mar 2016 #73
More from the article.. DCBob Mar 2016 #3
keeping fingers and toes crossed. riversedge Mar 2016 #5
Im not worried. DCBob Mar 2016 #11
I criticized Hillary for dragging it out too long last time, I criticize Bernie this time and I will stevenleser Mar 2016 #4
Yeah, I think I agree with that.. DCBob Mar 2016 #6
Yeah. The problem is he's not expected to be carrying Hillary's water during the primary. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #39
Meh... I want to hang on to the convention. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #8
If Hillary's victory is truly inevitable as you say, then there should be no reason... cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #14
That's what she's been doing for a while...focusing on Trump, not on Sanders. eom lunamagica Mar 2016 #24
So why all the whining? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #38
I'm not whinning. I don't care how long he stays. I think that some of the lunamagica Mar 2016 #47
Attacking her from the left shouldn't give the GOP much ammo JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #53
My Chihuahua is sweet. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #26
My Chihuahua is sweet too. And I totally agree with you. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #41
The rest of us want to vote Politicalboi Mar 2016 #34
You can still vote if Bernie suspends his campaign. nt stevenleser Mar 2016 #42
You also criricized her for being an "inveterate liar" vintx Mar 2016 #43
See my signature line. Already covered. nt stevenleser Mar 2016 #44
I never read that as "covered." noamnety Mar 2016 #55
I was a HUGE HillGirl in 2008 obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #48
You criticized her for a lot more than that.....so this is the only thing that you were right about? virtualobserver Mar 2016 #51
I like your consistency. Mary Mac Mar 2016 #78
I think its fairly obvious at this point who Politico is in the bag for. highoverheadspace Mar 2016 #9
Its an accurate and reasonable article. DCBob Mar 2016 #10
I've been reading their "accurate and reasonable" pro Washington 0.01% establishment highoverheadspace Mar 2016 #12
What you interpret as "in the bag" is suspect. DCBob Mar 2016 #13
Its an establishment political website, nothing more. highoverheadspace Mar 2016 #31
Amazing how desperation affects one's judgement. DCBob Mar 2016 #32
Yeah, we've seen plenty from the Hillary supporters Politicalboi Mar 2016 #36
That has never been the forecast. You're creating a false premise. kristopher Mar 2016 #16
Dialing back expectations. DCBob Mar 2016 #18
You are exaggerating expectations. There is no pundit forecasting Arizona for Bernie, ever. kristopher Mar 2016 #20
Just DU pundits I guess. DCBob Mar 2016 #21
Not even that - just liars engaging in misguided efforts to promote Hillary. kristopher Mar 2016 #22
I dont know how many posts I saw here saying after March 15th it would be all Bernie. DCBob Mar 2016 #25
Well, if you read for comprehension instead of to confirm your bias you wouldn't be confused. kristopher Mar 2016 #28
Then they should have said after March 22. DCBob Mar 2016 #30
Way to miss the point "DCBob" kristopher Mar 2016 #33
You are the one missing the point. DCBob Mar 2016 #64
L.S.O.S. kristopher Mar 2016 #66
Not tonight. Everything that Hillary has gained will now be cancelled Berniemagic Mar 2016 #45
Um, no. cwydro Mar 2016 #54
LOL.. DCBob Mar 2016 #74
Giant load of horseshit here. Avalux Mar 2016 #17
LOL.. DCBob Mar 2016 #19
yeah its worse than that jcgoldie Mar 2016 #23
Yeah, its a daunting improbable task. DCBob Mar 2016 #29
Good old Politico - doing their best to intensify that impression they mention. bjo59 Mar 2016 #27
What's your rush? JackRiddler Mar 2016 #40
I might be in bed by then..so I need to crow now. DCBob Mar 2016 #58
I've only seen one or two people predict Sanders winning Arizona-- both were Hillary supporters Marr Mar 2016 #50
If the OP is such a sure thing, why waste all this time re-posting the same material? ladjf Mar 2016 #56
Im not too sure of anything these days and I didnt repost this. DCBob Mar 2016 #57
Do you think you might gloat a little more? Vinca Mar 2016 #59
In case you were not aware this site is not BernieUnderground. DCBob Mar 2016 #60
Well said, sir, well said. Persondem Mar 2016 #62
Considering your belief that your candidate is so strong, you're very defensive. Vinca Mar 2016 #65
When someone posts something about me that is completely wrong I usually tend to respond. DCBob Mar 2016 #67
You're not gloating? Get real. Vinca Mar 2016 #68
Not at all. DCBob Mar 2016 #69
Or you could tootle back to the Hillary group. Vinca Mar 2016 #71
Well this is my OP.. not yours. DCBob Mar 2016 #72
He cannot win diversity. We do not trust him and haven't since day one. seabeyond Mar 2016 #61
That's my biggest concern with Bernie in the general. DCBob Mar 2016 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Mar 2016 #63
K&R! stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #77
 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
46. Sure, the FBI just have 150 people going through her emails
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:03 PM
Mar 2016

Because they don't have enough to talk about over the water cooler..

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
76. Pretty funny, right?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:35 PM
Mar 2016

I don't bother getting into these back and forth discussions. Especially with the person that you're responding to.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
73. He's also losing in many of the largest states remaining by large numbers
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:39 PM
Mar 2016

Calif Clinton 42.5% Sanders 29.0%
NY Clinton 63.0% Sanders 28.5%
Penn Clinton 49.3% Sanders 23.0

Based on latest results from Real Clear Politics

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
3. More from the article..
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:57 PM
Mar 2016
On Monday, Clinton dispatched Secretary of Labor Tom Perez, a dark horse vice presidential prospect, to the state on the same day that she campaigned there for the first time. Former President Bill Clinton has been there to campaign on his wife’s behalf.

“President Bill Clinton has visited on multiple occasions to campaign on behalf of Democrats for the last two, four cycles,” Arizona Democratic Party Chairwoman Alexis Tameron said, pointing out that the Clintons are “very popular” in the state and have longstanding ties there.

Those connections have paid off. Clinton’s campaign is full of top Arizona Democratic operatives; she’s also been endorsed by The Arizona Republic and has touted her support from top Hispanic lawmakers, like Arizona Rep. Ruben Gallego and Illinois Rep. Luis Gutiérrez, in a state where Hispanics make up roughly 30 percent of the population.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
11. Im not worried.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:13 PM
Mar 2016

She will do well in AZ and well enough in the other western "Bernie" states. He needs blowout wins to catch up... aint gonna happen.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
4. I criticized Hillary for dragging it out too long last time, I criticize Bernie this time and I will
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:03 PM
Mar 2016

in the future, criticize anyone else holding on past where the delegate math makes it asinine to continue.

Hillary should be 100% focused on Trump and Cruz now. Not on Sanders.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
6. Yeah, I think I agree with that..
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:05 PM
Mar 2016

However, I like Bernie's message.. some of it.. and we need Bernie's supporters.. most of them.. if he would focus his attacks on the GOP I have no problem with him staying in longer. The problem is he probably wont do that.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
39. Yeah. The problem is he's not expected to be carrying Hillary's water during the primary.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:48 PM
Mar 2016

So I don't expect him to.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
14. If Hillary's victory is truly inevitable as you say, then there should be no reason...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:17 PM
Mar 2016

for her NOT to focus on Trump and Cruz. If Bernie Sanders is simply some Chihuahua nipping at her heels ineffectively, with no chance of influencing the outcome of the primary election process, why should she pay any attention to him AT ALL? What effect could his continued run at the nomination possibly have? If, as you say, it's asinine to continue, then continuing has no effect, correctomundo?

Seems like a mixed message. On the one hand she's inevitable, on the other his continued run causes... what, exactly? She's GOT this, remember? His continued run means nary a whit. Why would she worry in the slightest? Pivot to Trump and Cruz I say!

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
47. I'm not whinning. I don't care how long he stays. I think that some of the
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:04 PM
Mar 2016

"whining" is out of concern that instead of focusing on his positive message he will use the remaining time to go negative on Hillary, giving ammunition to the GOP for the GE

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
53. Attacking her from the left shouldn't give the GOP much ammo
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:35 PM
Mar 2016

Unless she's so far right that her left flank is exposed.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
34. The rest of us want to vote
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:04 PM
Mar 2016

We're in it till the END!!!!! There's no telling what could happen with the Clinton's. More snakes in the grass.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
55. I never read that as "covered."
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:02 PM
Mar 2016

I understood you changed your mind and decided to support her, but I never understood how it undid the lying you referred to in the first place.

obamanut2012

(26,064 posts)
48. I was a HUGE HillGirl in 2008
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:58 PM
Mar 2016

And was broken-hearted when I realized she couldn't win. She was classy as hell at the convention that year, but she should have dropped before that. And, and it was far more probable for her to win than the situation Bernie has now.

We literally have two fascists vying for the GOP nom, one a religious zealot fascist. I really wish we could have unity, but I don't think it's going to happen before June.

Mary Mac

(323 posts)
78. I like your consistency.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:40 PM
Mar 2016

While it may not be his intention, a prolonged campaign by Bernie might just help Hillary. But yeah it's funny. Last time I was growling about Hillary staying in. I suppose they feel they owe it to their donors and they really want to know how it pans out.

 

highoverheadspace

(307 posts)
9. I think its fairly obvious at this point who Politico is in the bag for.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:10 PM
Mar 2016

Thats for sure. Once again, another reason to vote for Bernie who doesn't have the 0.01% establishment connections that Hillary does.

 

highoverheadspace

(307 posts)
12. I've been reading their "accurate and reasonable" pro Washington 0.01% establishment
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:14 PM
Mar 2016

propaganda for the past 6 months. Its completely in the bag for Hillary. They are part of the problem.......they are another establishment tool to keep the masses in line.

 

highoverheadspace

(307 posts)
31. Its an establishment political website, nothing more.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:58 PM
Mar 2016

Same as the Washington Post or the New York Times these days. Its easy to see who they are all in the bag for.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
36. Yeah, we've seen plenty from the Hillary supporters
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:11 PM
Mar 2016

You guys don't care if she talked bad about the 99% in her speeches to Wall Street. It's YOU who don't want to see them for what they are. It will burst your bubble. And now that video of Bill talking to Paul Ryan about working on medicare cuts if she's elected.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
16. That has never been the forecast. You're creating a false premise.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:31 PM
Mar 2016

Arizona has never been considered one of Bernies strong states.

It has a closed primary that isn't even identified as a "primary" on the SOS's website. The election today is the "presidential preference election" (PPE). They do have a "primary" though and that is for local races and held in August.
You're required to reregister about 30 days prior for the PPE but they have an "open primary".

None of this information is in a narrative form on the SOS website, it has to be ferreted out; so a casual check is almost certain to mislead indies about whether they can just show up today.

Second is advance voting. About half the votes have long been cast. So the election in Arizona is a Trailing Indicator.

No one now or in the past has claimed Arizona for Bernie - except perhaps agents of disinformation supporting the Hillary Campaign.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
28. Well, if you read for comprehension instead of to confirm your bias you wouldn't be confused.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:54 PM
Mar 2016

No one said "all Bernie" (except the same agents of misinformation) they said the schedule shifts from one favoring Hillary to one that favors Bernie.

Did Hillary win Every State Prior to today with at least 58% of the vote?

Of course she didn't.

Did Hillary even WIN every state prior to today?

Hell no.

WTF is your problem?

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
30. Then they should have said after March 22.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:57 PM
Mar 2016

Cuz it appears Hillary may actually extend her lead after tonight.

WTF is your problem??

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
33. Way to miss the point "DCBob"
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:04 PM
Mar 2016

Yes, she might pick up a couple of delegates, but Utah and Idaho are solid for Bernie. Going forward states where he wins by big margins start to rack up in the same way they did for Hillary.

Stop trying to cheat by misinforming people.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
64. You are the one missing the point.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:10 PM
Mar 2016

Fact is tonight is likely going to be better for Hillary than Bernie. Those claiming Bernie's comeback would start after March 15th are probably going to be wrong.

 

Berniemagic

(21 posts)
45. Not tonight. Everything that Hillary has gained will now be cancelled
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:58 PM
Mar 2016

While she loses the next 27 states by blowouts after blowouts leaving the campaign scratching their head, wondering why they aren't winning the states in the West.

Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton is a curse upon the People of the United States.

The reality is, the Western states are more educated, logical and knows that Clinton can't win an election to become a dogcatcher.

Say hello to President Bernie Sanders, will ya?

Be proud that there will be a true Democrat governing the People. Clinton is a Third Wayer that needs to be removed from the Democratic Party, as the rest of the Third Way infiltrators, as she does not represent the people of the United States of America as whole.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
17. Giant load of horseshit here.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:35 PM
Mar 2016

Once again, a pro-Hillary hit piece on Bernie masquerading as 'news'. Arizona has never been a must win for Bernie.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
19. LOL..
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:38 PM
Mar 2016

Just about every state from here on is a "must win" for Bernie... if he actually intends on catching up.

jcgoldie

(11,627 posts)
23. yeah its worse than that
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:44 PM
Mar 2016

Every state he doesn't win my 16 percentage points or more means he has to win those going forward by even greater numbers. I don't think Bernie should drop out until he's ready but denying he desperately needs states like Arizona is just fairy unicorn stuff.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
29. Yeah, its a daunting improbable task.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:54 PM
Mar 2016

Some just wont face reality but in time they will come to their senses.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
50. I've only seen one or two people predict Sanders winning Arizona-- both were Hillary supporters
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:30 PM
Mar 2016

pretty obviously, and clumsily, trying to set up phony expectations.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
57. Im not too sure of anything these days and I didnt repost this.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:43 PM
Mar 2016

Just thought this was an interesting topic... no?

Vinca

(50,255 posts)
59. Do you think you might gloat a little more?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:00 PM
Mar 2016

It's possible there is still one Sanders supporter you haven't pissed off so much they aren't contemplating not voting for Hillary if she's the nominee.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
60. In case you were not aware this site is not BernieUnderground.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:09 PM
Mar 2016

This is political discussion board for Democrats to discuss politics. I could care less if you are anyone else is "pissed off". What I posted is a legitimate topic for discussion. If you dont like it go post somewhere else.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
67. When someone posts something about me that is completely wrong I usually tend to respond.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:23 PM
Mar 2016

You dont??

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
69. Not at all.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:30 PM
Mar 2016

My interest is in supporting my candidate and encouraging other like-minded Democrats.

No one asked you to read this or post here. In fact I encourage you to go back to the Bernie group... you will be happier there.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
61. He cannot win diversity. We do not trust him and haven't since day one.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:14 PM
Mar 2016

We told him and he told us we were wrong. That is not listening. We are not wrong. He wanted none of it. So fine, this is what he earned. He cannot get diversity.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
70. That's my biggest concern with Bernie in the general.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:33 PM
Mar 2016

If he were our nominee and he cant motivate Latinos and African Americans to vote we are toast.

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