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Avalux

(35,015 posts)
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:14 PM Mar 2016

Hillary didn't want to work this hard.

I think that may be why her campaign and supporters have put the nasty full court press on Bernie to end his campaign.

They expected to have no real competition at the beginning of this thing anyway. Hillary would travel around and talk to some people, raise a war chest for the GE and take it easy. Bernie changed all that.

Hillary has had to actually campaign (something she's told us she hates doing) because Bernie came on the scene and roused millions of supporters with his economic equality message who have donated small amounts - enough to keep Bernie in this race and be competitive to the end (WITHOUT big money fundraisers and PACs). If that's not a movement, I don't know what is.

So yeah, I think Hillary thought she'd coast to the nomination and then fight the GOP (her enemies! Yeah right). She wants it to end so she can rest.

Too bad, there's an entire half left to go.

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Hillary didn't want to work this hard. (Original Post) Avalux Mar 2016 OP
Few people do. Orsino Mar 2016 #1
I would like to think that too, but her tactics are dishonest and ugly. Avalux Mar 2016 #5
I wish I could believe in that VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #7
She's tried to sound like a candidate people want to vote for more than the want the standard merrily Mar 2016 #51
Her campaign is already in GE mode, which Hortensis Mar 2016 #74
If that analysis makes you feel better.... brooklynite Mar 2016 #2
It's "hard work" pocketing a million dollars for 3 or 4 speeches. (nt) w4rma Mar 2016 #4
Has Clinton been paid for a speech since the campaign started? brooklynite Mar 2016 #13
Benghazi wasn't the problem. Turning Libya into a haven for ISIS was the problem. (nt) w4rma Mar 2016 #17
So you think payment for these speeches was part of campaigning? Sheepshank Mar 2016 #49
Oh look, another non policy post KMOD Mar 2016 #3
It's my opinion. Thanks for yours. n/t Avalux Mar 2016 #6
People in glass houses..... jillan Mar 2016 #10
A lot of voters who never post here marions ghost Mar 2016 #16
This so-call smear desmiller Mar 2016 #21
You are taking Congressman Lewis KMOD Mar 2016 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author desmiller Mar 2016 #24
"You're taking Congressman Lewis out of context" desmiller Mar 2016 #25
He never met Senator Sanders. KMOD Mar 2016 #28
Bernie fans really care about policy! DanTex Mar 2016 #8
Their policy is to smear Hillary and her supporters. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #12
Yup. KMOD Mar 2016 #18
no worries... peace13 Mar 2016 #33
+ 1 JoePhilly Mar 2016 #40
The front page of this forum is farcical.. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #43
That just shows how little some people know about the fight for reproductive rights. bettyellen Mar 2016 #48
Ironic, in light of your own post 12, the post to which it replies and the other responses to both. merrily Mar 2016 #53
When all you have is a club the whole world looks like prey. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #58
I don't have a club. I have a eyes to read, a mind to think and a keyboard. merrily Mar 2016 #62
If you and your associates believe I am the perpetrator... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #64
Again with imaginary associates? merrily Mar 2016 #69
Yes, the fact that you all support the same candidate is a figment of my imagination. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #70
"Associates" usually has a very different meaning, not millions of people. merrily Mar 2016 #71
Shouldn't DU be the universe we confine ourselves to for the sake of this discussion? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #72
Should it? Which discussion? merrily Mar 2016 #78
Fail. If we didn't care about policy, most of us vote for the first woman President. merrily Mar 2016 #52
It's pretty funny how people come up with these bizarre theories Dem2 Mar 2016 #9
I said nothing about her being old. Where did you get that? n/t Avalux Mar 2016 #11
"She wants it to end so she can rest. " Dem2 Mar 2016 #38
Not a single fucking word in that post about her being old. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #15
Why would supporters of a candidate 6 years older than Hillary call her old? merrily Mar 2016 #55
Yeah, she's where she is because she doesn't like to work hard. nt LexVegas Mar 2016 #14
Oh, yeah, she has really had to work hard in her life ROFLMAO snooper2 Mar 2016 #31
If desmiller Mar 2016 #19
Too much deja vu back to 08 for the Clintons marions ghost Mar 2016 #20
The crown is slipping. 840high Mar 2016 #23
That's stupid. Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #26
Yay! Got another one! thereismore Mar 2016 #30
Another stupid post? You sure did. Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #35
If Hillary didn't want to work hard she could have retired off her speaking fees. upaloopa Mar 2016 #27
Barriers? Or bars from her future cell? ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2016 #39
Just can't help yourself can you? upaloopa Mar 2016 #45
The OP has nothing to do with whether she has enough money to retire. merrily Mar 2016 #57
The drive for power comes way before money, for the exceptionally driven. libdem4life Mar 2016 #65
She's hating it. You can tell by how much they want Bernie to quit. Well guess what, Bernie thereismore Mar 2016 #29
He forced her to take positions she would otherwise avoid tularetom Mar 2016 #32
She probably didn't really expect to have to do anything at all. sibelian Mar 2016 #34
It's a good thing for Hillary to have a worthy opponent in the primary. Beacool Mar 2016 #36
Most politicians don't work that hard to begin with. They have gotten fat and lazy sitting liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #37
It has gotten a lot easier for incumbent politicians BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #47
Apparently, she's doing just fine. JoePhilly Mar 2016 #41
I don't get how someone can be active on a political board for over a decade Lucinda Mar 2016 #42
We obviously have different opinions of Mrs. Clinton. n/t Avalux Mar 2016 #44
Even though the odds of Bernie winning the nomination are small BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #46
Hillary and her supporters learned much from 2008 Sheepshank Mar 2016 #50
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #67
In what way Charlie? Sheepshank Mar 2016 #68
I read these comments here, I don't see any proof of the actual action to get Bernie to end his Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #54
She has not said a word. Rolled up her sleeves. And worked just this hard. Quit making more shit seabeyond Mar 2016 #56
It's amazing Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2016 #59
This was supposed to be the Primary that wasn't Hydra Mar 2016 #60
So she'll work a bit harder and still win. Codeine Mar 2016 #61
Yep. She thought she'd just sleaze her way right into the Nomination... She must HATE AzDar Mar 2016 #63
I agree. runaway hero Mar 2016 #66
She's more than up to it. cwydro Mar 2016 #73
She wanted it handed over easy peasy Autumn Mar 2016 #75
Before she left the State Dept oldandhappy Mar 2016 #76
She wanted to coast on "At least I'm not a republican!" and not have to EARN any votes. arcane1 Mar 2016 #77

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
1. Few people do.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:16 PM
Mar 2016

Coronations are certainly convenient, but I'd like to think that Clinton has actually tried to be a better candidate because of the competition.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
5. I would like to think that too, but her tactics are dishonest and ugly.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:19 PM
Mar 2016

Those saying this primary is damaging the party while blaming it on Bernie have it wrong. Hillary is damaging the party by showing her true colors, making it impossible for some to vote for her.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
51. She's tried to sound like a candidate people want to vote for more than the want the standard
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:10 PM
Mar 2016

DLC brand. I don't know if that makes her a better candidate. Polls reflect a rate of disbelief and distrust.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
74. Her campaign is already in GE mode, which
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:29 PM
Mar 2016

it would of course be anyway if the nomination were already tied up. I'm very fond of books about political campaigns, and they are your life at this point, a grueling life.

When interviewed about Arizona results yesterday, Hillary was already focused ahead on Alaska and had to refocus to discuss the day's events (remember, she had good projections of the Arizona outcome hours before).

But most of her focus was on Trump and Cruz and defeating the menace from the right. As we really, really need it to be.

brooklynite

(94,480 posts)
2. If that analysis makes you feel better....
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:16 PM
Mar 2016

Clinton has been working hard for nearly a year. The only "coronation" expectations were in the fevered minds of the Sanders supporters.

brooklynite

(94,480 posts)
13. Has Clinton been paid for a speech since the campaign started?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:23 PM
Mar 2016

And Sanders has had every opportunity to make that into a campaign issue; apparently most voters aren't bothered.

Maybe you should suggest he bring up Benghazi; I understand that REALLY gets the voters worked up.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
49. So you think payment for these speeches was part of campaigning?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:59 PM
Mar 2016

Sheesh...reaching grasping, hoping, manufacturing

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
3. Oh look, another non policy post
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:18 PM
Mar 2016

just another smear.

Hillary has been working hard this entire campaign. She knows that elections are hard and she has never claimed otherwise.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
16. A lot of voters who never post here
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:26 PM
Mar 2016

just go with their gut. The gut stuff DOES matter.

Policy debate without consideration of what goes into Image isn't realistic.

desmiller

(747 posts)
21. This so-call smear
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:40 PM
Mar 2016

is nothing compared to how Hillary smears poor Bernie throughout the 1st half, by using celebrities like ron simmons, civil rights heroes like john lewis dismissing Sanders being involved in the movement, and lied saying that she saw Hillary when Hillary was with one of the enemies of civil rights at that time - Goldwater himself, and the other corporate Dems. Oh yeah, lets not forget about DWS herself, who's rigging the whole process for her buddy.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
22. You are taking Congressman Lewis
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:47 PM
Mar 2016

out of context.

And nobody is rigging anything. Hillary is winning democratic votes and delegates.

Response to KMOD (Reply #22)

desmiller

(747 posts)
25. "You're taking Congressman Lewis out of context"
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:59 PM
Mar 2016

Really??

|





"And nobody is rigging anything"

DWS have been scheduling the democratic debates on weekends, especially on the worst days to even watch a debate



I think you knew about this and don't want to admit it. I also believe that you're just posting just to start unnecessary quarrels. I'm sorry, but I ain't the one. To the naughty list with you.


 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
28. He never met Senator Sanders.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:04 PM
Mar 2016

Why does that bother you?

As the primary has gone on there have been more and more debates.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
33. no worries...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:16 PM
Mar 2016

People can discuss and disagree without dis-ing one another. Hillary and Bernie are tough folk. We don't have to protect them. They owe it to the people to explain their ideas and present plans that we can each then decide on. If someone questions Hill it is not necessarily a smear. It might actually be a truth that is uncomfortable to hear. The same goes for Bernie. In addition they are both responsible for explaining their past actions and decisions. That is how we learn about them.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
43. The front page of this forum is farcical..
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:05 PM
Mar 2016

It is amazing what folks will say to advance their agenda...

There is a discussion on third trimester abortion. I said I was born on July 29th and asked if my mom would have been within her rights to abort me on July 28th, for any reason at all... Most said yes...

Try selling that to the American people or any people...But that is what passes for reasoned discussion on this board.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
48. That just shows how little some people know about the fight for reproductive rights.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:18 PM
Mar 2016

they think it is a cake walk. just like Bernie thought it was okay to "set it aside" to curry favor with people who will never support abortion rights.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
62. I don't have a club. I have a eyes to read, a mind to think and a keyboard.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:32 PM
Mar 2016

Post 3 and your reply 12 to it were smears of Bernie's supporters. It's sad to me that you see my pointing out to you that as clubbing you.

It's sad to me that you insult me and play a victim card rather than respond to the substance of my post.

It's sad to me that you've done that more than once, just in the last couple of hours.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
64. If you and your associates believe I am the perpetrator...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:57 PM
Mar 2016

If you and your associates believe I am the perpetrator there is nothing I can do to disabuse you and them of that notion.





merrily

(45,251 posts)
71. "Associates" usually has a very different meaning, not millions of people.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:27 PM
Mar 2016

But whatever. Apparently, lumping people together indiscriminately gives you some sort of satisfaction. Enjoy.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
9. It's pretty funny how people come up with these bizarre theories
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:21 PM
Mar 2016

I love the swipe you take out of her being old very nice, very nice.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
38. "She wants it to end so she can rest. "
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:52 PM
Mar 2016

That's second hand for "old" in conversation.

I'll give it to you that you may not have intended it that way.

Anyway, the thrust of my post was that your theory is ridiculous, I'm sticking to that (the lead sentence specifically)

I think that may be why her campaign and supporters have put the nasty full court press on Bernie to end his campaign.
 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
15. Not a single fucking word in that post about her being old.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:24 PM
Mar 2016

Nice misrepresentation of the poster's words there...typical unprincipled Clinton fuckjobbing.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
31. Oh, yeah, she has really had to work hard in her life ROFLMAO
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:09 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie too? You think these politicians actually work hard?

She doesn't even drive a damn car for the past 20 years!

desmiller

(747 posts)
19. If
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:31 PM
Mar 2016

what you're saying is truly how she feels - I believe it myself, then the calling from the M$M, to the press, and to the Dems themselves, for Bernie to cease his campaign, will back your post up, BIG TIME.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
20. Too much deja vu back to 08 for the Clintons
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:36 PM
Mar 2016

I think you're right--they didn't want to do this. Exhausting having to fight for the primary and then gear right back up to fight in the GE. Extreme hazing for the Presidency.

That damn Bernie, appealing to all those voters...who does he think he is?

Is a movement. Whether people want to admit that or not.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
27. If Hillary didn't want to work hard she could have retired off her speaking fees.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:04 PM
Mar 2016

She isn't doing this to get rich or to be more famous. She actually means it when she says she wants to remove barriers for people.

Now spare me the snark because it isn't going to change anything for Bernie's chances.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
45. Just can't help yourself can you?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:09 PM
Mar 2016

In all the universe what good did your post do?

Yea it pisses me off so if that's your motive you achieved success.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
57. The OP has nothing to do with whether she has enough money to retire.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:23 PM
Mar 2016

The claim of the OP is that she wanted to get the Presidential nom without working hard for it. I am not saying that was in fact her plan. I am just saying one thing has nothing to do with the other.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
65. The drive for power comes way before money, for the exceptionally driven.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:09 PM
Mar 2016

Certainly money helps, is an indicator, and usable, but she has wanted to be President, the first woman president, for so long, and the money has been there, so she doesn't need more. On to the Prize.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
29. She's hating it. You can tell by how much they want Bernie to quit. Well guess what, Bernie
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:08 PM
Mar 2016

is not a quitter.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
32. He forced her to take positions she would otherwise avoid
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:12 PM
Mar 2016

And now she'll have to move away from them in the general election campaign, leaving her vulnerable to charges of flip flopping.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
36. It's a good thing for Hillary to have a worthy opponent in the primary.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:29 PM
Mar 2016

It's making her a better candidate for the general election, than if she had won the primary without much opposition.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
37. Most politicians don't work that hard to begin with. They have gotten fat and lazy sitting
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:33 PM
Mar 2016

back accepting checks from lobbyists not having to do any actual work for the American people. Hillary is no different.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
47. It has gotten a lot easier for incumbent politicians
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:25 PM
Mar 2016

They used to have to spend a large amount of their time begging for money, particularly House members who have to run for reelection every 2 years. Now all they have to do is vote the right way and sponsor legislation for their contributors, and the money comes pouring in.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
41. Apparently, she's doing just fine.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:02 PM
Mar 2016

And I love the false claim of a "nasty full court press" by Clinton.

You guys are hilarious.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
42. I don't get how someone can be active on a political board for over a decade
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:04 PM
Mar 2016

and know so little about one of the leading Dems in the party. Mind boggling.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
46. Even though the odds of Bernie winning the nomination are small
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:23 PM
Mar 2016

Every day that goes by with small contributions pouring into Bernie's campaign and Bernie giving speeches to large, passionate crowds of supporters, contrasted with Hillary and Bill doing private fundraisers with high dollar donors and bundlers, makes Hillary look worse.

Hillary wants to move even further right, but the size of and passion in Bernie's movement is telling her the days of progressives swallowing whatever the Democratic establishment is peddling are over.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
50. Hillary and her supporters learned much from 2008
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:06 PM
Mar 2016

Absolutely NOTHING was being taken for granted. No coronation, no sitting on laurels, no pretending there would be no work involved. The assumption made in the op is absolutely ridiculous and made with the hope of belittling, and maligning the entire Hillary camp.

I am as confident that Hillary will win as some Sanders Supporters are that Bernie will win.... And we are working just as hard for every single vote.

Response to Sheepshank (Reply #50)

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
54. I read these comments here, I don't see any proof of the actual action to get Bernie to end his
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:15 PM
Mar 2016

campaign. I have said it is a hill to climb and the incline continues to rise for Bernie to get the number of delegates. Maybe he is feeling the pressure from his supporters as to why he does not have the lead in delegates. Check on the campaign team, how much pressure are they putting on Sanders.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
56. She has not said a word. Rolled up her sleeves. And worked just this hard. Quit making more shit
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:22 PM
Mar 2016

up that is not true.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,401 posts)
59. It's amazing
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:27 PM
Mar 2016

How many people here (and elsewhere) are able to get inside her head and know all there is to know about her feelings, beliefs, motivations, etc.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
60. This was supposed to be the Primary that wasn't
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:28 PM
Mar 2016

30%+ victory in Iowa for a total shutout was the goal. Instead they had to rely on coin flips.

They never planned on anything like this- Obama admin was in their court, no establishment Dems running against her, likely Clinton vs Jeb matchup with predictable end.

Then OWS came back stronger than ever. Then Bill invited Trump to the party. It was not supposed to be this exciting.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
63. Yep. She thought she'd just sleaze her way right into the Nomination... She must HATE
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:41 PM
Mar 2016

campaigning... she's HORRIBLE at it.

runaway hero

(835 posts)
66. I agree.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:53 PM
Mar 2016

I agree. Hillary was supposed to take this time off to prepare to win. Bernie comes, and he's not the first choice. Then he has some rallies. They're huge. It was not easy by any sense for her but it's Bernie running is good. She is working the kinks out and will be fully ready for Trump, who is also a populist candidate.


Hillary getting practice in is a good thing and should not be seen as a negative.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
73. She's more than up to it.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:28 PM
Mar 2016

I hope Bernie stays in it for the duration.

It's good for the party, and it will strengthen her for the GE.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
76. Before she left the State Dept
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:36 PM
Mar 2016

I wrote her a nice letter and said not to run for president. She wants this and she wants it badly. I cannot feel sorry for her.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
77. She wanted to coast on "At least I'm not a republican!" and not have to EARN any votes.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:37 PM
Mar 2016

She has yet to earn mine.

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