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LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:34 PM Mar 2016

Why is everything a conspiracy to some people?

Why the f is everything considered a conspiracy now when something does not go a favorable way for a particular candidate? I am sick and tired of reading grandiose and bullshit conspiracy theories and accusations here on DU anytime a grievance or disagreement or some other issue or event occurs. If there was even the slightest bit of evidence of a conspiracy with some of these complaints, then maybe they would be tolerable. However there is no evidence and even the dots that these theorists are trying to connect are as implausible as the day is long.

When did we devolve into this paranoid, everyone's out to keep me down, irrational and detached from reality political party? It's annoying and worrisome as hell. It's no wonder Trump has legions of fans among the far weaker minded Republicans.

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Why is everything a conspiracy to some people? (Original Post) LonePirate Mar 2016 OP
I've been wondering that, myself. nt Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #1
It's not "we." It's some of us -- a personality type Hortensis Mar 2016 #12
As a teenager, I loved all things conspiratorial, from Aliens, Nephilim and Anakim, Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #18
Niburu? NWCorona Mar 2016 #23
No, that is Yuggoth, revealed to the world by H.P. Lovecraft Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #39
Ha NWCorona Mar 2016 #40
How long you keeping up the charade? whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #2
good question PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #8
+1 Punkingal Mar 2016 #9
The only other alternative revbones Mar 2016 #3
Maybe because we no longer trust the government, or anything associated with the government. NV Whino Mar 2016 #4
Because people can't imagine that a majority disagrees with them nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #5
Exactly. nt OhZone Mar 2016 #10
I think because some people do not understand that others think differently. OhZone Mar 2016 #6
Because the conservatives aren't the only group sufrommich Mar 2016 #7
Nixon Aide Admits Drug War Was Meant To Target Black People & Hippies! Fumesucker Mar 2016 #29
And some people are too naive to even consider the possibility yet history proves otherwise.... think Mar 2016 #30
Every Bernie loss is like an episode of redstateblues Mar 2016 #11
Because shouting "conspiracy!!!" is easier than addressing the topic. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2016 #13
I was just about to write the very same thing. MineralMan Mar 2016 #15
It's a conspiracy! greatauntoftriplets Mar 2016 #14
Could it be that people have no voice in the decisions that effect their lives? gordianot Mar 2016 #16
It's easy to get carried away.... however Skid Rogue Mar 2016 #17
here's an example WhiteTara Mar 2016 #19
That was soooo cute. lol XD Skid Rogue Mar 2016 #22
Everything is a conspiracy, isn't it? kwassa Mar 2016 #20
A nice thing about conspiracies is that you don't have to prove them - and they can't be disproven Empowerer Mar 2016 #21
Guess there wasn't a vast right wing conspiracy against the Clintons then. Punkingal Mar 2016 #24
I know several people who believed in government conspiracies - until they went to work for the govt Empowerer Mar 2016 #25
No kidding. I think some here could be diagnosed with paranoid personality disorder. It can influenc kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2016 #26
I agree completely Dem2 Mar 2016 #27
Here are 11 U.S. govt. related conspiracies that Discover.com states were true: think Mar 2016 #28
You forgot the Tuskegee syphilis experiments... Skid Rogue Mar 2016 #31
Ya. Discover missed that one. There are probably many others they've missed as well. think Mar 2016 #32
Not everything is a conspiracy but they do occur. Juicy_Bellows Mar 2016 #33
ParanoiA? Skwmom Mar 2016 #34
You're right... Skid Rogue Mar 2016 #35
too much House of Cards? bettyellen Mar 2016 #36
It's all Hillary's fault WhiteTara Mar 2016 #37
So let me get this straight sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #38

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. It's not "we." It's some of us -- a personality type
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:53 PM
Mar 2016

or types that is/are prone to that kind of thinking. We none of us choose the way we think, but we now know it is hard wired into us genetically and then acted on somewhat by environment. It's why we all can have trouble understanding "what's wrong with them."

My personality type is strong liberal. If there is a plot or conspiracy, I'm typically very late to start suspecting. Or at least when I was when I was young. I lost a lot of assumptions about the commonality of goodness in people as I got older, and some conspiracies are real. But no amount of disappointment or fear will turn me into a conservative or radical left, much less their first cousins, the reactionary right. I'll die liberal too.

Btw, in society liberals strongly outnumber left-wing radicals. DU is unusual in that a lot of the latter gather here, along with the usual contingent of conservative Democrats and likely some reactionary conservatives drawn by Bernie's anti-establishment message.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
18. As a teenager, I loved all things conspiratorial, from Aliens, Nephilim and Anakim,
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:07 PM
Mar 2016

Nibiru, CIA transistors in teeth, and more.

As I transited from spiritual to agnostic and aged from 16 to 45, I quit believing in things for which there was no proof.

I no longer believe in Illuminati and or The Powers that Be or huge conspiracies that require hundreds or thousands of people who never breath a word.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
39. No, that is Yuggoth, revealed to the world by H.P. Lovecraft
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:27 AM
Mar 2016

Otherwise knows as Eich P'L, (former Atlantean high priest reincarnated as an early 20th century writer of horror (which is actually hidden history).

Oh, I could go on.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
3. The only other alternative
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:41 PM
Mar 2016

Is that it's part of their candidates grand plan and 13 dimensional chess...

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
6. I think because some people do not understand that others think differently.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:43 PM
Mar 2016

They don't get that many other people actually think differently than they do. They've put themselves into a bubble, and think that if things don't go their way, it's NOT because there are people who don't view things they way they do, but it must be a conspiracy. How could anyone NOT want a socialist, who has Communist connections? How could anyone not view Hillary as a corporatist crook? etc. etc.

That isn't to say, there are NO conspiracies or dirty tricks. There are. But NOT EVERYTHING is a Karl Rove trick.

I'm waiting to hear some nut say that the terror attacks were done to distract from the election results tonight.

Oh well.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
7. Because the conservatives aren't the only group
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:44 PM
Mar 2016

who have convinced themselves that the government is evil. It's unfortunate and harmful.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
29. Nixon Aide Admits Drug War Was Meant To Target Black People & Hippies!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:04 PM
Mar 2016

Sometimes government *is* evil... How many lives have been ruined by this conspiracy within government?

Bear in mind that the Democrats were and are enthusiastic supporters of the drug war, a war based on lies.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nixon-drug-war-racist_us_56f16a0ae4b03a640a6bbda1?

“You want to know what this was really all about?” he asked with the bluntness of a man who, after public disgrace and a stretch in federal prison, had little left to protect. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

greatauntoftriplets

(175,731 posts)
14. It's a conspiracy!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:57 PM
Mar 2016

Sorry, I had to say that. I wonder about that myself. Some of them are pretty amusing because they're so far fetched.

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
16. Could it be that people have no voice in the decisions that effect their lives?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:05 PM
Mar 2016

Do you trust politicians and lobbyists?
Trade deals negotiated in secret?
Wealthy cabals that make deals?
Oligarchs with vast wealth?
Government agencies that specialize in espionage?
News media that appears to act as propaganda?

Granted not everything is a conspiracy you should see it coming.

Skid Rogue

(711 posts)
17. It's easy to get carried away.... however
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:06 PM
Mar 2016

I once worked at a place responsible for turning in voter applications to the County Registrar. Three months after the Kerry/Bush election I found a folder of about 50 fully finished applications in the file cabinet where we stored empty folders. Keeping up with voter applications wasn't something I was responsible for, but I felt horrible just finding them.

And all those people would have been told they were not registered to vote on election day. Why? Because their application ended up in the wrong pile of paper, on the wrong desk, on the wrong day.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
20. Everything is a conspiracy, isn't it?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:16 PM
Mar 2016

Otherwise I would be king of the universe.

I have been thwarted by conspiracy.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
21. A nice thing about conspiracies is that you don't have to prove them - and they can't be disproven
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:18 PM
Mar 2016

The person screaming conspiracy doesn't have to prove it's existence. They only need to point to the outcome they don't like. And no matter how ridiculous the claim is, it's impossible to disprove a conspiracy because any proof that the conspiracy doesn't exist is used a further proof of the existence of the conspiracy ... "Of course it LOOKS like the conspiracy doesn't exist. That's what they WANT you to think!" ... "Yes, I know all of the evidence points to a different explanation, but that's how they planned it!" ...

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
25. I know several people who believed in government conspiracies - until they went to work for the govt
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:29 PM
Mar 2016

It's funny how people think, on the one hand, that the government is SO incompetent, it can't be trusted with anything, yet, on the other hand, it is so clever, nefarious, and cunning that it not only regularly commits extraordinarily elaborate, byzantine conspiracies, it manages to keep them secret for decades.

But when people actually work in government, they learn that the truth is in the middle. The government is neither completely incompetent nor is it utterly craven and devious. The government is not a monolith. It's made up of people, most of whom are just trying to do their best. And they're certainly not spending all of their time cooking up sinister plots - and if they were, it wouldn't take long for most of the world to find out.

For example, I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how the Clintons supposedly managed to steal millions, manipulate elections, illegally seize power and kill anyone who got in their way, but Bill Clinton couldn't manage to keep a sexual dalliance secret and the two women who threatened to topple his presidency - Monica Lewinsky and Linda Tripp - talked and talked and talked without any interference and are still running around quite alive and well . . . Some conspirator he ...

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
27. I agree completely
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:42 PM
Mar 2016

An argument doesn't have to have some fanciful back-story to back it up. Just present a theory w/evidence and ask if others see any substance to said argument. Presenting a full-blown conspiracy with no evidence to back it up just turns people off.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
28. Here are 11 U.S. govt. related conspiracies that Discover.com states were true:
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:55 PM
Mar 2016

Slide show at link:

http://news.discovery.com/history/us-history/11-conspiracy-theories-that-proved-true-150918.htm


A few of true conspiracies discussed at the link:

1. Prohibition - In an effort to prove alcohol was dangerous the Govt. took confiscated illegal spirits and remixed them with poison and redistributed them to the public.

2. The Business Plot - Maine general Smedley Butler warns of a plot by a group of business men to overthrow Franklin D. Roosevelt. Newspapers didn't believe it at first.

3. Operation Mockingbird- In the 1950's the CIA hired reporters from the NYT, CBS and other news outlets to push propaganda.

4. Operation Northwood - Defense officials made up plans to do attacks on ordinary Americans and blame it on Cuba including hijacking airplanes, blowing up a military ship, and bombing American cities.

5. Project MK-Ultra - In the 50's and 60's the CIA drugged people and used electroshock therapy on people.

6 other found to be true conspiracies at the link....

Skid Rogue

(711 posts)
31. You forgot the Tuskegee syphilis experiments...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:09 PM
Mar 2016

No doubt our Government has done some horrific shite.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
34. ParanoiA?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:58 PM
Mar 2016


History has shown us that corruption in the voting and vote counting process abounds because of political dirty tricks. No paranoia is required.

Skid Rogue

(711 posts)
35. You're right...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:08 PM
Mar 2016

However, when your mind defaults on the side of corruption and dirty tricks, without waiting for any evidence, you might want to not only question the facts, but also question yourself.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
38. So let me get this straight
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:15 PM
Mar 2016

The Bay of Pigs was not a conspiracy against JFK,
Watergate was no conspiracy by the Nixon administration,
Reagan did not interfere in the release of the A. prisoners
in Iran behind Carter's back.
The 2000 election was totally normal, just as the one
in 2004. No problems there.
The campaign in 2008 by the dems was just a very
sweet and kind competition.

Okay, I got it. Nothing that happens by the government
or between parties, or even inside a party should ever
be looked at with careful skepticism.

Keep dreaming!

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