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Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:07 PM Mar 2016

AZ voting seems to be a big mess.

But since Clinton has all those early votes banked this could work to her advantage. Wow, this couldn't have worked out better than if they had planned it.

Once again, chaos reigns on election day.

Hmmmm.... if you reduce polling places from 200 to 60 in a county did you think you are going to improve the voting process?????

Update: On the OAN channel they were reporting in Phoenix. People were waiting 3 HOURS to vote, people were complaining that they had registered as Dem but told they were not on the list as a Democrat. When asked the reporter said at that location it was lots of Bernie Sanders supporters. Isn't that a surprise.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/03/22/live-arizona-primary-coverage-presidential-preference-election/82096726/

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AZ voting seems to be a big mess. (Original Post) Skwmom Mar 2016 OP
The excuses have already begun. nt Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #1
Does that mean.... daleanime Mar 2016 #2
Remember, they go with the less voter strategy. basselope Mar 2016 #5
And yet they get upset if you talk.... daleanime Mar 2016 #7
Which is why Hillary has 2.6 million more votes than Bernie? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #36
In red states with low voter turnout... yes. basselope Mar 2016 #47
Isn't that more of a primary problem for Bernie than HRC? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #56
no basselope Mar 2016 #63
The delegate count to secure the Democratic ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #65
No. basselope Mar 2016 #66
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #67
Thank you for admitting your error. basselope Mar 2016 #68
I have admitted nothing. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #69
Yes, you did. basselope Mar 2016 #70
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #72
Thank you again for the admission. basselope Mar 2016 #73
Ahhh ... 3rd grade re-visited! I had forgotten how much fun it was! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #74
Thanks again. basselope Mar 2016 #75
You are quite welcome. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #76
Its always nice to see someone admit when they were wrong. basselope Mar 2016 #78
Now, we're going to 2nd grade? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #79
Not sure what you are talking about. basselope Mar 2016 #81
I'm talking about your childish replies ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #82
But, you admitted you were wrong. basselope Mar 2016 #83
Unlike those caucuses Sanders wins. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #37
Does this mean.... brooklynite Mar 2016 #14
Not an excuse. But it is amazing how screwed up the voting is and that it works to her advantage. Skwmom Mar 2016 #6
The AZ legislature and governorship are all controlled by Repubs. They reduced the polling places. LonePirate Mar 2016 #9
Princess Weathervane's Ostrich Army is on the march! Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #15
now that is the title for some interesting music reddread Mar 2016 #30
Kinda has to be prog, huh? Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #39
Its always something workinclasszero Mar 2016 #29
Progressives never lose elections alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #44
And this is somehow a good thing? Voters being disenfranchised across the state? If THAT is what it peacebird Mar 2016 #3
Voters are disenfranchised in almost every caucus state. Agschmid Mar 2016 #10
Maricopa County shifted to 60 polling places from the 200-plus that were in play during the 2012 CentralCoaster Mar 2016 #4
Which means ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #57
I got a feeling it's because of the Republican primary RandySF Mar 2016 #8
My Utah polling place overwhelmed Oceanic Mar 2016 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author NuclearDem Mar 2016 #34
I waited 1 1/2 hours in line to vote bbrady42 Mar 2016 #12
Its Not Voter Suppression If You Are Democratic Party reddread Mar 2016 #13
Provide evidence that the Democratic Party had any involvement in planning the Primary brooklynite Mar 2016 #16
I read it on the internet reddread Mar 2016 #18
"UFOs are abducting people!!!!!".....I read it on the internet brooklynite Mar 2016 #21
of course the Democratic Party is not complicit in this PATENTLY OBVIOUS attempt at suppression reddread Mar 2016 #22
Oh, well if you read it on the Internet... NuclearDem Mar 2016 #35
x 10000 AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #17
It shouldn't take an election day for folks to get it. KMOD Mar 2016 #19
That's it. Blame the voters. What a reprehensible statement FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #20
you should see the concerns over "voter fraud" reddread Mar 2016 #24
That actually was a good suggestion Kaleva Mar 2016 #25
Yeah. Its a good suggestion within the context of election fraud FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #27
You need tinfoil if you think HILLARY had anything to do with this dbackjon Mar 2016 #40
OOO SLAM! You're too good! FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #41
So then tell me since you're such a genius dbackjon Mar 2016 #43
Thanks. KMOD Mar 2016 #28
I am NOT blaming the voters. KMOD Mar 2016 #26
You are doing so in the context of massive ELECTION FRAUD FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #31
"Not understanding how elections work" is not election fraud. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #38
So are you saying the problems in AZ are a result of voters not understanding how elections work? Bjorn Against Mar 2016 #46
Are you denying that some people do not understand KMOD Mar 2016 #54
I think people's understanding of voting laws is completely irrelevent to this thread Bjorn Against Mar 2016 #60
No. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #58
Well good because I find people who blame voters for voter suppression to be reprehensible Bjorn Against Mar 2016 #61
Good thing a lot of the voting was done absentee or early voting. nt Jitter65 Mar 2016 #23
Were the Sanders and Clinton camp aware of this? NCTraveler Mar 2016 #32
This election is a Presidental Primary only dbackjon Mar 2016 #42
The changes mentioned are only for the primary? NCTraveler Mar 2016 #45
The number of polling places was dbackjon Mar 2016 #48
Then that leaves one other questions. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #49
Which was? dbackjon Mar 2016 #51
We're both the Clinton and Sanders camp aware? NCTraveler Mar 2016 #52
Answered above dbackjon Mar 2016 #53
So early voters were all Clinton voters? Doesn't make sense. yellowcanine Mar 2016 #33
Clinton wins early votes and absentee about 5-1 TheFarseer Mar 2016 #50
So her campaign is well organized. You hear stories? yellowcanine Mar 2016 #62
Yeah, it's a winning strategy. TheFarseer Mar 2016 #64
If they're doing this ... what is your problem with Get Out the Vote efforts? n/t SFnomad Mar 2016 #77
It's a little past gotv TheFarseer Mar 2016 #84
Yes. It is ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #55
This shit doesn't happen by accident . ViseGrip Mar 2016 #59
Hillary wins when people aren't allowed to vote! NorthCarolina Mar 2016 #71
K&R Babel_17 Mar 2016 #80
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
82. I'm talking about your childish replies ...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:11 PM
Mar 2016

starting with the admission you claim, that I never made.

But you know that ... so, I'm looking forward to more childishness.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
37. Unlike those caucuses Sanders wins.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:13 PM
Mar 2016

Those are just jam-packed, hundreds of thousands of votes counted.

brooklynite

(94,479 posts)
14. Does this mean....
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:45 PM
Mar 2016

that Bernie Sanders' campaign team didn't anticipate that a REPUBLICAN Secretary of State might not do a good job?

What's their contingency plan?

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
6. Not an excuse. But it is amazing how screwed up the voting is and that it works to her advantage.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:13 PM
Mar 2016

Simply amazing. It couldn't have worked out better than if they had planned it.

Reducing polling places from 200 to 60 in one county. Really? What a genius idea. Well if your intent is to diminish the voting I guess it is.

LonePirate

(13,412 posts)
9. The AZ legislature and governorship are all controlled by Repubs. They reduced the polling places.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:19 PM
Mar 2016

But you go ahead and keep on attributing it to Democrats.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
29. Its always something
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:04 PM
Mar 2016

other than simply the majority voted for Hillary.

The manufactured hysteria is getting old.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
44. Progressives never lose elections
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:33 PM
Mar 2016

They only have elections stolen from them, over and over and over again, as it were.

It's actually quite remarkable.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
3. And this is somehow a good thing? Voters being disenfranchised across the state? If THAT is what it
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:10 PM
Mar 2016

takes for Clinton to "win".....

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
4. Maricopa County shifted to 60 polling places from the 200-plus that were in play during the 2012
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:10 PM
Mar 2016

From the same page:

Maricopa County shifted to 60 polling places from the 200-plus that were in play during the 2012 presidential primary as a cost-saving move and to reflect the reduced demand on in-person voting given the continued rise in voters who mail in their ballots.


WTF?

Oceanic

(4 posts)
11. My Utah polling place overwhelmed
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:22 PM
Mar 2016

After an hour in line I thought I could see the front of the line but very little movement. I'd estimate 5,000 people in line. No way they will get to vote. Everyone was very patient and committed, despite the snowy weather. Affluent area of Salt Lake County. Very few people of color. Every generation represented.

Response to Oceanic (Reply #11)

bbrady42

(175 posts)
12. I waited 1 1/2 hours in line to vote
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:43 PM
Mar 2016

That's 3x the longest I've ever had to wait, and that was the only other time I've *ever* had to wait at all here.

But it affected everyone, even repugs. I don't see how this benefits Hillary Clinton.

brooklynite

(94,479 posts)
21. "UFOs are abducting people!!!!!".....I read it on the internet
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:52 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.ufoabduction.com

Tell us, did you read that the DEMOCRATIC PARTY was to blame? Or did you just read that there were voting problems?

Did you, per chance, consider that the REPUBLICAN Secretary of State might be responsible?
 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
22. of course the Democratic Party is not complicit in this PATENTLY OBVIOUS attempt at suppression
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:54 PM
Mar 2016

and none of the leading candidates are desperate enough to cheat to win.

OK?



 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
19. It shouldn't take an election day for folks to get it.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:49 PM
Mar 2016

I think every high school should educate juniors and seniors on how to register and how to vote.



 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
24. you should see the concerns over "voter fraud"
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:55 PM
Mar 2016

conservatives have a hard time hiding in plain sight.

Kaleva

(36,291 posts)
25. That actually was a good suggestion
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:59 PM
Mar 2016

Make it part of the Civics class many high schoolers are required to take.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
27. Yeah. Its a good suggestion within the context of election fraud
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:02 PM
Mar 2016

so it is a sleazy way to shift blame from the establishment, which intentionally creates these disasters to protect Hillary, and to the voters. Despicable.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
43. So then tell me since you're such a genius
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:31 PM
Mar 2016

When all the machinery in the county is controlled by the GOP the despises HILLARY in voters are being turned away by poll workers who have no idea who they're going to be voting for and the lines are longest in some of the areas that should traditionally support Clinton how she is to blame for this


Yes I'm sure that Hillary purposely closed all the voting locations in the heavily black South Mountain area except for one because she thought that would be to her advantage


 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
26. I am NOT blaming the voters.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:01 PM
Mar 2016

I am blaming our education system.

When I was in high school, if we were of age, we could register to vote. We also held mock voting where we could participate so that we knew what to expect when we went out to vote.

I think it was very helpful.

My children did not have this experience. But I always took them to vote with me, so that they would know how and where to vote. My older children voted by absentee ballot in their freshman years in college.

I am for educating young voters. I'm shocked you find fault with that.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
38. "Not understanding how elections work" is not election fraud.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:15 PM
Mar 2016

That's just not understanding how elections work.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
46. So are you saying the problems in AZ are a result of voters not understanding how elections work?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:35 PM
Mar 2016

If that is your argument I think you are very wrong.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
54. Are you denying that some people do not understand
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:50 PM
Mar 2016

that their states may have deadlines for changing party affiliation or registration dates?

We absolutely need more education on voting, I don't understand why anyone would deny that.

If I understand correctly, Arizona is providing provisional ballots to those who are having issues.

This situation will indeed be looked into, and if Arizona has been neglectful in updating their registration ballots there will be consequences. We don't know all of the facts yet.

No Democrat wants to see suppression of votes. That's all the more reason to make sure that everyone knows how, and where to vote.


Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
60. I think people's understanding of voting laws is completely irrelevent to this thread
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:27 PM
Mar 2016

if a state makes voting so difficult that a person needs to take classes to learn how to vote then that is not a problem with the voters, that is a problem with the system. There is absolutely no reason that voting needs to be complicated and when it becomes complicated that is a sign that the vote is being suppressed.

I wish I could believe you when you say there will be consequences if Arizona was neglectful in updating their registration, sadly however it seems that people are rarely held accountable for voter suppression.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
58. No.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:19 PM
Mar 2016

I'm saying that certain people commenting from a distance who don't know how elections work shouldn't be screaming election fraud.

For example, the kind of people who believe the DNC, and not the Arizona Secretary of State, runs the PPE in Arizona.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
61. Well good because I find people who blame voters for voter suppression to be reprehensible
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:31 PM
Mar 2016

The system failed in Arizona and the voters hold absolutely no blame for those systemic failures, there are public officials who are responsible and they need go be investigated and held accountable.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
32. Were the Sanders and Clinton camp aware of this?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:09 PM
Mar 2016

Would suppressed voter turnout help Republicans in the GE, congressional, and local races?

Was the DNC raising hell when these changes were made? They should have knowledge about changes like some of these, and while having limited power, the could help fight a bit before the changes were made. Give resources to help organize against it.

Some will only care about one of those questions.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
45. The changes mentioned are only for the primary?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:35 PM
Mar 2016

Where I live polling places are the same in each election, primary included.

Two of my questions would still be very valid.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
48. The number of polling places was
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:39 PM
Mar 2016

Was changed for this primary only


Local Dem party protested it but were ignored

DNC would be laughed at

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
53. Answered above
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:47 PM
Mar 2016

Half of the problem is the County Recorder expected a turnout like in 2012, where there was no Dem race and Romney had AZ won easily so turnout was low

TheFarseer

(9,319 posts)
50. Clinton wins early votes and absentee about 5-1
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:41 PM
Mar 2016

It happens in every state. How is this possible? I hear lots of stories of Hillary people going door to door with ballots all filled out just needing a signature. You don't suppose they hit the Alzheimer's wing at the nursing home do you?

yellowcanine

(35,698 posts)
62. So her campaign is well organized. You hear stories?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:53 AM
Mar 2016

I'll bet you do. And what of it? I don't suppose anything. If you have some proof of such claims show it. This he said, she said, my neighbor's first cousin once removed said is bs. Stick to the facts in evidence.

TheFarseer

(9,319 posts)
64. Yeah, it's a winning strategy.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:22 PM
Mar 2016

I heard this from coworkers and neighbors and DU, not conspracytheory.com or whatever you were thinking. Believe what you want and I'll believe what I want.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
55. Yes. It is ...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:50 PM
Mar 2016
Hmmmm.... if you reduce polling places from 200 to 60 in a county did you think you are going to improve the voting process?????


Psst ... this has nothing to do with HRC and everything to do with having a libertarian Governor and a legislature full of republicans intent on PROVING that government can't work.
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