2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe election today in Arizona is a Presidential preference election, not a primary
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The PPE stands for a Presidential Preference Election. That is the election that was held today in Arizona, and requires a party declaration to vote:
The PPE is a closed election, which means you have to be registered as a Democrat, Republican, or Green party in order to vote
"The March 22, 2016, PPE ballot only contains presidential candidates from participating political parties. (Note: Arizonas open primary provision does NOT apply to the PPE.)
The August 30, 2016, Primary Election ballot contains federal (U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representatives), state and local candidates and will NOT contain any presidential candidates. Click here for more information on the August 30, 2016, Primary Election.
The PPE* and the Primary Election are an opportunity for Arizona voters to nominate candidates to the General Election. The General Election is when candidates are actually elected to office.
*Party winners of the Arizona PPE may not appear on the General Election ballot. The official party nominee is determined at the partys national convention."
http://www.azcleanelections.gov/en/presidential-preference-election
LuvLoogie
(6,854 posts)still_one
(91,947 posts)tonight
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)We stay on standard time year round and don't change. It's the rest of the country who change their clocks twice a year that messes us up.
To be fair I wish we stuck with standard time.
still_one
(91,947 posts)Cha
(295,899 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Another reason I love the Aloha State.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)The ones where people who thought they could vote were turned away. They went to the SoS's website and thought they were asking about a primary.
From the Arizona Secretary of State Election page http://www.azsos.gov/elections
Topic Question:
How does an independent voter receive a ballot for the Primary Election?
Answer:
An independent voter on the early voter list will receive a post card in the mail asking for the voter to choose which party ballot the voter wishes to receive for the Primary Election. If the independent voter goes to the polls on Election Day the voter will be given the option to choose a party ballot at that time.
To learn the answer you have to go into the site knowing this isn't a primary.
still_one
(91,947 posts)thread to state the rules that you informed me about.
So I thank you again
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Thanks.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)There are many reports of people who followed the process and updated their registration to Democrat by the deadline. But due to some "error" their registration was not recorded correctly and they were given provisional ballots. It wasn't clear whether those provisional ballots would be counted as valid ballots because of the "error". There have been reports of this all day long on twitter.
You can see a government official admit the error in this video
kristopher
(29,798 posts)1 is a voter education issue, the other a clerical issue. Same office probably.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)If people don't understand the rules that's kind of sad, maybe the instructions should be more clear. That's pretty normal stuff, the rules are being followed and maybe they can improve it for next time. That's not a crisis.
But on the other hand if you have millions of people who did follow the rules and register as Democrats before the deadline but their votes are still not being counted correctly due to some government "error", then it's a much more serious problem. And it's more urgent too because we would like to make sure those votes actually count. Many of those people we given provisional ballots. With provisional ballots it's not known if each one will actually count until they are reviewed later. It's not clear if the same "error" will invalidate the provisional ballot. Some people heard from the Arizona Sec. of State that there provisional ballot would not count.
Besides that it's just undermines confidence in the election system.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)I think I'll do a bit of reading on the political history of that area.
still_one
(91,947 posts)independents or non-partisans.
For those who registered a Democrat, Republican, or Green, if they were listed as registering as independent, that is an error that needs to be addressed.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)this is on the front page of their site.
http://www.azsos.gov/elections
I can easily see where someone thinks an independent can choose a party on election day.
"How does an independent voter receive a ballot for the Primary Election?
An independent voter on the early voter list will receive a post card in the mail asking for the voter to choose which party ballot the voter wishes to receive for the Primary Election. If the independent voter goes to the polls on Election Day the voter will be given the option to choose a party ballot at that time."
still_one
(91,947 posts)election rules, not the Presidential Preference Election, PPE, rules, which are stated here:
http://www.azsos.gov/elections/voting-election/election-information
If you look to the right of the link you supplied:
http://www.azsos.gov/elections
It states the exact dates for the PPE verse the primary. With the PPE being today, and the primary being on the 30th
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)this is the first official site that appears, essentially the starting point. It mentions voting in the Primary, but does not clarify Which primary, the focus is now on the presidential primary, that should be delineated on their site so people can easily follow be the rules.
Our goal should be to increase turnout, not try and make people hunt for obscure rules in each state.
Having lived in a state that never sees a candidate, never sees a line longer than 2 minutes, but also never has a chance to vote in a primary, all these rules to make it difficult to vote seem strange.
Appreciate your reply in another thread
http://www.azsos.gov/elections
"I moved recently, when is the deadline to update my voter registration?
The final day to update your voter registration or register to vote is midnight on the 29th day before the election. For the 2016 Primary Election that day is Midnight on August 1, 2016 and for the 2016 General Election you must register before Midnight on October 10, 2016. All voter registration forms that are mailed in must be postmarked on or before the deadline. The final day to update your voter registration or register to vote is midnight on the 29th day before the election. For the 2016 Primary Election that day is Midnight on August 1, 2016 and for the 2016 General Election you must register before Midnight on October 10, 2016.
How does an independent voter receive a ballot for the Primary Election?
An independent voter on the early voter list will receive a post card in the mail asking for the voter to choose which party ballot the voter wishes to receive for the Primary Election. If the independent voter goes to the polls on Election Day the voter will be given the option to choose a party ballot at that time."
still_one
(91,947 posts)the primary. The people of Arizona I would imagine voted for that. In other words to make the election for the nomination for President a PPE, which is a closed election, and to make the election for the primary an open election.
Obviously, if someone wants to vote in both the PPE and the primary, they need to register as a Democrat, Republican, or Green party.
The part that is troubling is for those that indicate they registered as a Democrat, Republican, or Green, and were told at the polling place they were registered as independent. I would think as long as they have the confirmation that they did register with a specific party, their votes need to be counted, along with why did that happen?
I think there are two sets of issues. One is those who registered as independents, and didn't realize that there was a difference between the PPE and the primary, and two, those who registered with a political party, but when they got to the polls, were told they registered as an independents.
As I see it,
The second one is definitely an issue, which needs to be investigated, and remedied somehow.
The first one, while confusing, is the way the state runs their elections, and I doubt anything will happen with that unless the people of Arizona vote to change the rules
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,072 posts)still_one
(91,947 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Many had their voter registration cards with them.
When they went inside to vote & to sign in their party affiliation was wrong. Some lifelong registered Dems were showing up as Republicans. Others were showing up as Independents even tho they were registered Democrats.
Something went wrong today.
And it was not just Bernie voters, it was Hillary voters too.
The people that went in today as registered independents weren't the problem.
The registered DEMOCRATS were the ones that were disenfranchised.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)It's Democrats whose registrations were changed to independent / blank.
I post my theory here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1556594
jillan
(39,451 posts)This isn't the first time there have been major irregularities in Az.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)Couple of workers in the system messing with stuff just because they're terrible people. But if it's other counties, too, it could be something higher level, maybe in the registration system itself.
A full investigation needs to be done.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)There were reports of this all day long.
You can see a government official admit the error in this first video
still_one
(91,947 posts)verses a primary.
If someone registered as a Democrat, Republican, or Green, and when they arrived at the polling place were told they were registered as an independent, then they should be allowed to vote in the PPE, and their votes counted.
An investigation of the SOS also needs to occur to determine what happened, and if charges need to be filed