2016 Postmortem

dchill

(38,472 posts) Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:01 AM Mar 2016

CNN Showing 71% counted for well over an hour. 60-37 HRC

They don't want to show anything like a final count until deep into the night. This could be way closer, and the delegate count could be very close. But how would we know?

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CNN Showing 71% counted for well over an hour. 60-37 HRC (Original Post) dchill Mar 2016 OP

I looked at the official AZ website and can't figure out where the Clinton Times (aka NY Times) is Skwmom Mar 2016 #1

People STILL IN LINE Waiting To Vote...Have been Waiting For HOURS! Now Ordering Pizza... AzDar Mar 2016 #2

On OAN, at a Phoenix location the reporter said the majority of the voters she talked to were voting Skwmom Mar 2016 #4

As were those given Provisional Ballots against their will all day long... Nope, nothing to see here AzDar Mar 2016 #7

I just commented on that on another thread. Juicy_Bellows Mar 2016 #3

No excuse for lazy reporting. dchill Mar 2016 #6

No excuse at all. Juicy_Bellows Mar 2016 #9

Other than the "In the bag" ... dchill Mar 2016 #11

60 polling places for a county with 3.8 million people. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #5

I read that it's 60 polling places for the entire state. dchill Mar 2016 #12

No. 60 for Maricopa County. nt Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #13

Thank you. dchill Mar 2016 #14

No...for Maricopa County(I.E., The Grand Duchy of Arpaio). n/t. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #15

Not to nit pick, but Half-Century Man Mar 2016 #27

Weaver said people in huge lines ...numbers don't jive...waiting til morning in AZ bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #8

Yep. Saw that. dchill Mar 2016 #10

Still 71% counted, numbers shifting toward Bernie... dchill Mar 2016 #16

59.6%-37.8% dchill Mar 2016 #17

Not only has the percentage not changed, but people were still voting. So 71% of what?? DiehardLiberal Mar 2016 #18

Excellent point. dchill Mar 2016 #19

More than likely.. grrrrr! DiehardLiberal Mar 2016 #21

71% of precincts have reported their early vote tallies. Barack_America Mar 2016 #20

Then 71% of.. what? dchill Mar 2016 #22

Total statewide precincts. Barack_America Mar 2016 #23

But they are reporting it as 71% of total vote...and have been for hours. Not precincts. DiehardLiberal Mar 2016 #24

They're extrapolating # of precincts to = total vote... Barack_America Mar 2016 #26

Thanks for your insight! I look forward to the actual count and trust it will be a lot happier DiehardLiberal Mar 2016 #29

It will be. Barack_America Mar 2016 #30

Still, how do they count... dchill Mar 2016 #25

Early voting is done. Barack_America Mar 2016 #28

Well, that's clearly not enough... dchill Mar 2016 #32

I fully agree. Barack_America Mar 2016 #33

A state that seems to pride itself... dchill Mar 2016 #35

As of 10 minutes or so ago, people still in line per twitter...#ArizonaElectionFraud AzDar Mar 2016 #31

I hope they stay in line... dchill Mar 2016 #34

It's outrageous... true heroes! AzDar Mar 2016 #36

59.4%-38%... dchill Mar 2016 #37

I heard one time that the % reporting is determined by... DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #38

Perhaps, but that would leave the possibility of an incorrect... dchill Mar 2016 #39

Absolutely. DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #41

Absolutely, back at you. dchill Mar 2016 #42

People waiting in line to vote... dchill Mar 2016 #40

57.8%-39.8% with 97% counted dchill Mar 2016 #43

57.6%-39.9% with 99% counted dchill Mar 2016 #44

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)

1. I looked at the official AZ website and can't figure out where the Clinton Times (aka NY Times) is

Reply to dchill (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:03 AM

Mar 2016

getting its info from (such as number of precincts, etc.)

AzDar

(14,023 posts)

2. People STILL IN LINE Waiting To Vote...Have been Waiting For HOURS! Now Ordering Pizza...

Reply to dchill (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:03 AM

Mar 2016

https://twitter.com/marcfox10/status/712489100725592064

#ArizonaElectionFraud Trending On Twitter....

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)

4. On OAN, at a Phoenix location the reporter said the majority of the voters she talked to were voting

Reply to AzDar (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:05 AM

Mar 2016

for Bernie Sanders.

AzDar

(14,023 posts)

7. As were those given Provisional Ballots against their will all day long... Nope, nothing to see here

Reply to Skwmom (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:06 AM

Mar 2016

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)

3. I just commented on that on another thread.

Reply to dchill (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:04 AM

Mar 2016

We usually see some wavering but tonight, as precincts come in, it stays static. Shenanigans? I don't know but it sure is interesting.

EDIT - I think it may just be lazy reporting.

dchill

(38,472 posts)

6. No excuse for lazy reporting.

Reply to Juicy_Bellows (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:06 AM

Mar 2016

The 60-37 number has all that HRC early voting counted. Naturally, the people in line would tend toward Bernie, so...

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)

9. No excuse at all.

Reply to dchill (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:11 AM

Mar 2016

dchill

(38,472 posts)

11. Other than the "In the bag" ...

Reply to Juicy_Bellows (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:13 AM

Mar 2016

excuse, of course. Not that they'd ever admit it.

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)

5. 60 polling places for a county with 3.8 million people.

Reply to dchill (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:05 AM

Mar 2016

Criminal.

dchill

(38,472 posts)

12. I read that it's 60 polling places for the entire state.

Reply to hrmjustin (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:19 AM

Mar 2016

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)

13. No. 60 for Maricopa County. nt

Reply to dchill (Reply #12)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:22 AM

Mar 2016

dchill

(38,472 posts)

14. Thank you.

Reply to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:24 AM

Mar 2016

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)

15. No...for Maricopa County(I.E., The Grand Duchy of Arpaio). n/t.

Reply to dchill (Reply #12)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:24 AM

Mar 2016

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)

27. Not to nit pick, but

Reply to Ken Burch (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:56 AM

Mar 2016

You left out the O and E, It's spelled "Douchey", not "Duchy".

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)

8. Weaver said people in huge lines ...numbers don't jive...waiting til morning in AZ

Reply to dchill (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:07 AM

Mar 2016

dchill

(38,472 posts)

10. Yep. Saw that.

Reply to bkkyosemite (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:11 AM

Mar 2016

Makes sense. What doesn't make sense is that the MSM wouldn't point these facts out.

dchill

(38,472 posts)

16. Still 71% counted, numbers shifting toward Bernie...

Reply to dchill (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:30 AM

Mar 2016

59.8%-37.6%.

dchill

(38,472 posts)

17. 59.6%-37.8%

Reply to dchill (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:38 AM

Mar 2016

Still 71% counted.

DiehardLiberal

(580 posts)

18. Not only has the percentage not changed, but people were still voting. So 71% of what??

Reply to dchill (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:41 AM

Mar 2016

You can't calculate a percentage of total if you don't know what the total is!!

dchill

(38,472 posts)

19. Excellent point.

Reply to DiehardLiberal (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:43 AM

Mar 2016

Maybe 71% of what they're willing to admit.

DiehardLiberal

(580 posts)

21. More than likely.. grrrrr!

Reply to dchill (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:45 AM

Mar 2016

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)

20. 71% of precincts have reported their early vote tallies.

Reply to DiehardLiberal (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:45 AM

Mar 2016

It's not a percentage of actual votes, which are still being cast.

Logging back out...Feel the Bern!

dchill

(38,472 posts)

22. Then 71% of.. what?

Reply to Barack_America (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:47 AM

Mar 2016

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)

23. Total statewide precincts.

Reply to dchill (Reply #22)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:48 AM

Mar 2016

DiehardLiberal

(580 posts)

24. But they are reporting it as 71% of total vote...and have been for hours. Not precincts.

Reply to Barack_America (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:50 AM

Mar 2016

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)

26. They're extrapolating # of precincts to = total vote...

Reply to DiehardLiberal (Reply #24)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:55 AM

Mar 2016

...which in most elections probably works.

But here we have an early vote tally being reported by precincts who cannot yet report their counts for today (because people are still waiting to vote). I assure you that well over 500,000 voters cast their ballots today (which is the current # of Dem + Rep votes at 28% turnout per the AZ SOS page.

Do these lines look like 28% turnout to you? Me neither. Further proof all we are currently seeing is the early vote.

DiehardLiberal

(580 posts)

29. Thanks for your insight! I look forward to the actual count and trust it will be a lot happier

Reply to Barack_America (Reply #26)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:58 AM

Mar 2016

picture...

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)

30. It will be.

Reply to DiehardLiberal (Reply #29)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:01 AM

Mar 2016

P.S. Bernie is currently netting 16 delegates in Utah.

dchill

(38,472 posts)

25. Still, how do they count...

Reply to Barack_America (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:51 AM

Mar 2016

people waiting in line to vote?

How do you count a number you can't know, and project a "Weiner"?

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)

28. Early voting is done.

Reply to dchill (Reply #25)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:57 AM

Mar 2016

They have counted that, and that is the "result" we're currently being shown.

dchill

(38,472 posts)

32. Well, that's clearly not enough...

Reply to Barack_America (Reply #28)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:03 AM

Mar 2016

while people are waiting in line to vote.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)

33. I fully agree.

Reply to dchill (Reply #32)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:04 AM

Mar 2016

Arizona has handled this disgracefully.

dchill

(38,472 posts)

35. A state that seems to pride itself...

Reply to Barack_America (Reply #33)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:07 AM

Mar 2016

in being disgraceful. (My mind wanders to one Gov. Jan Brewer.)

AzDar

(14,023 posts)

31. As of 10 minutes or so ago, people still in line per twitter...#ArizonaElectionFraud

Reply to dchill (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:02 AM

Mar 2016

dchill

(38,472 posts)

34. I hope they stay in line...

Reply to AzDar (Reply #31)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:05 AM

Mar 2016

But I HATE the fact that they have to do that to have their votes count!

AzDar

(14,023 posts)

36. It's outrageous... true heroes!

Reply to dchill (Reply #34)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:08 AM

Mar 2016

dchill

(38,472 posts)

37. 59.4%-38%...

Reply to dchill (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:16 AM

Mar 2016

Still 71% counted. Math impossible.

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)

38. I heard one time that the % reporting is determined by...

Reply to dchill (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:19 AM

Mar 2016

Votes received compared to total votes expected (based on previous year primary results).

My theory is that the number of early votes and mail-in votes was so high relative to other years, that the % reporting has been incorrect from the beginning.

Perhaps there were 2-3 times as many votes in this primary as usual.

dchill

(38,472 posts)

39. Perhaps, but that would leave the possibility of an incorrect...

Reply to DemocracyDirect (Reply #38)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:21 AM

Mar 2016

projection hanging in the wind.

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)

41. Absolutely.

Reply to dchill (Reply #39)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:26 AM

Mar 2016

And since many people in line will likely be Bernie supporters, it is likely the end result will be better for Bernie.

However there are still a variety of other disenfranchisement problems that will need to be looked at carefully.