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Sanders winning big tonight. We need him vs Trump (Original Post) mgcgulfcoast Mar 2016 OP
Lets just ignore Arizona I guess MadBadger Mar 2016 #1
yep mgcgulfcoast Mar 2016 #2
Nate Silver: Sanders will probably gain net delegates tonight elleng Mar 2016 #7
the people didn't get a fair election in az NowSam Mar 2016 #9
Give me proof of a conspiracy MadBadger Mar 2016 #10
Your confirmation Bias would reject all reason NowSam Mar 2016 #12
Somebody is dodging the question MadBadger Mar 2016 #13
I just don't want to waste my breath NowSam Mar 2016 #15
Try me. I'm not a diehard Hillary supporter MadBadger Mar 2016 #17
Map on previous thread shows reduction in polling places snowy owl Mar 2016 #23
ALL major networks and other media project Clinton win... dchill Mar 2016 #29
Which people didn't get a fair election? DesertRat Mar 2016 #21
There are people still waiting in line to vote NowSam Mar 2016 #25
The election hasn't been "called" DesertRat Mar 2016 #35
how do you know? snowy owl Mar 2016 #27
Do you have evidence of it? DesertRat Mar 2016 #32
No, no, no, it's not ignoring AZ. Sanders' net gain includes AZ. Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #33
she does well in conservative states SHRED Mar 2016 #39
Like Idaho and Utah? MadBadger Mar 2016 #44
Nope, we don't ignore AZ, we count it in for Sanders' net gain of 15 delegates! Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #40
time to donate to Bernie if you can grasswire Mar 2016 #3
Yes we should. mgcgulfcoast Mar 2016 #6
Bernie is winning states that Democrats usually don't win. pacalo Mar 2016 #4
Like Hillary did in the South? sweetloukillbot Mar 2016 #5
But that's the Confederancy Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #8
LOL! Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #14
How typical. pacalo Mar 2016 #16
In the GENERAL? Don't think we've had one yet. elleng Mar 2016 #18
Did Bernie win in the general while I was in line in Arizona? sweetloukillbot Mar 2016 #19
If Bernie wins a red state, it's in play. If Hillary wins a red state, it doesn't count. grossproffit Mar 2016 #22
Even blue states that Bernie wins become must-win swing states that Hillary can't win in the general sweetloukillbot Mar 2016 #26
I predict that some here will soon refer to Washington as a swing state. grossproffit Mar 2016 #31
Touche grossproffit Mar 2016 #20
Sanders is winning in small caucus states which are overwhelmingly white book_worm Mar 2016 #11
It's over for Sanders n/t cosmicone Mar 2016 #24
... and has been for a while. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #41
Sanders wins workinclasszero Mar 2016 #28
Hillary will win more delegates tonight. That must be losers math you're using. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #30
Bernie math workinclasszero Mar 2016 #34
Hillary won more delegates tonight...as in coming from AZ where close to 2 million people Seeinghope Mar 2016 #36
2 million in one state ? I think it's that math thingy again.....LOL Trust Buster Mar 2016 #37
Those who are registered Democrats should have their votes counted. grossproffit Mar 2016 #38
Yes, independent voters are typically barred from voting in closed primaries. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #43
He cut into her lead by six delegates. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #42

elleng

(130,729 posts)
7. Nate Silver: Sanders will probably gain net delegates tonight
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:51 AM
Mar 2016
http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/march-22-primaries-arizona-utah-presidential-election-2016/?#livepress-update-24708921

It looks as though Sanders has a good shot to get more delegates than Clinton tonight.

Clinton is winning Arizona by 22 percentage points right now, which would translate to a net gain of about 16 pledged delegates on Sanders. And Arizona has more pledged delegates than Utah and Idaho combined. However, Sanders could net more delegates on the night if he wins Utah and Idaho by more than about 30 percentage points. Based on the results we’ve seen so far, he could fairly easily do that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511556427

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
9. the people didn't get a fair election in az
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:53 AM
Mar 2016

and Hillary acting like this was a clean win speaks volumes about her caring for the people. If she is allowed to take power America and the World is indeed doomed.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
12. Your confirmation Bias would reject all reason
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:56 AM
Mar 2016

I believe. If you can't see the truth right in front of your eyes there is no helping you.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
15. I just don't want to waste my breath
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:02 AM
Mar 2016

or my time. I have concluded after many months of watching this charade that it is pointless in wasting precious energy on those who reject truth outright. I believe that my pearls should not be dropped on such...people.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
23. Map on previous thread shows reduction in polling places
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:14 AM
Mar 2016

and discrepancies in registration. Lots of posts. I'm not going back to find them but they are there if you want to see them. Any election is only as honest as the secretary of state in each state. Remember Ken Blackwell? Jeb and Florida in 2000? Richard Daly in Chicago? Don't be too sure about being sure...keep an open mind.

dchill

(38,441 posts)
29. ALL major networks and other media project Clinton win...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:19 AM
Mar 2016

While real Americans stand in line to vote. If you don't have a problem with that, you're not one.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
21. Which people didn't get a fair election?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:10 AM
Mar 2016

The Republicans in AZ aren't complaining about Trump getting ALL of their delegates tonight.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
25. There are people still waiting in line to vote
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:14 AM
Mar 2016

as of 1030 pm. Only 60 voting places for over 3.2 million people... People turned away from the polls. Those people. People who waited 4 hours to vote. and then had the election called before they got to pull the lever. those people.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
35. The election hasn't been "called"
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:32 AM
Mar 2016

The Democrats in line will vote and their votes will count toward proportional delegates. But if they are Republicans, all of their delegates are awarded to Trump.
I agree that the Republican leadership in this state greatly underestimated the number of people (especially Independents who didn't know the rules) who would show up. They based the number on the percentages who voted in the last 2 Presidential preference elections.
The Dem and Repub parties have strongly encouraged people to sign up for early ballots. I don't understand why more people don't do that.

https://voter.azsos.gov/VoterView/Home.do

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
32. Do you have evidence of it?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:24 AM
Mar 2016

I'm in AZ and have been out all day talking to people and watching our local tv and listening to local radio. The only complaints I've heard are from "Independents" who didn't know the rules.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
33. No, no, no, it's not ignoring AZ. Sanders' net gain includes AZ.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:28 AM
Mar 2016

Here's how I titled by comment in another thread:

Sanders wins 2 of 3 states & could end up with MORE delegates tonight.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511556392

Sanders is winning Idaho and Utah by such large numbers that he will take most of those delegates. (Utah has been called with Sanders getting 74% of the vote. And Idaho looks as good, according to TYT.) The total would be 56 delegates from those states. Say he gets 45 of those delegates. His projected loss in AZ (still uncertain*) gives him about 25 delegates from AZ. That's 70 delegates total for Sanders. Clinton's projected win in AZ gives her about 45 delegates from AZ. Plus she gets a few (say 10-ish) from Idaho and Utah.

That adds up to:

Sanders 70 delegates
Clinton 55 delegates.

Net 15 to Sanders!

THIS IS REALLY GOOD NEWS FOR SANDERS! --that he's on the plus side for delegates and also that he won 2 of the 3 states.

*The problems in AZ were caused by a gross lack of polling stations, so that thousands still hadn't voted when the state was called (by the networks) for Clinton. She just lost one pt on the NYT and CNN totals, as results are still coming in. 63% reporting: Clinton 59%. Sanders 38%. (3% are missing from that.). Reporting from AZ stalled at 47% precincts reporting for several hours. Now it's changing. We still don't know how either will do as to final % of the vote in AZ. I calculated the above on Clinton getting 60% in AZ.

There is hearsay that the Sanders campaign may challenge AZ, because mail-in voting (older voters) favored Clinton, and same day voters (workers, the young, others who favor Sanders) were severely handicapped by very long lines. No word on this yet.

Also, there were reports of many new voters being denied a vote because the state (i.e., a private corporation) screwed up their registrations (had them as Republicans, for instance, when they clearly were not).

-----------------

A bit later: Okay, it's more than a rumor. Sanders' campaign manager about AZ:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511556683

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
40. Nope, we don't ignore AZ, we count it in for Sanders' net gain of 15 delegates!
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:52 AM
Mar 2016

Sanders beat Clinton in 2 of 3 states, and beat her on the delegate count, because those 2 wins were huge (Idaho by 78%, Utah by 79%!), which compensated for his losses in AZ and will yield him an edge of about 15 delegates for the three states. That wouldn't have happened if he hadn't won 40% of the vote in AZ (with 94% SLOWLY reporting).

Arizonans for Bernie should be proud. Thousands still hadn't voted and were lined up at miserably inadequate polling places when the the state was called for Clinton. Their votes are still trickling in--if they got to vote--depriving Clinton of a pt, adding a pt to Sanders and possibly even earning him one more delegate before the night is over. What dauntless voters!

sweetloukillbot

(10,971 posts)
26. Even blue states that Bernie wins become must-win swing states that Hillary can't win in the general
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:16 AM
Mar 2016

See Minnesota, Vermont, New Hampshire. (Michigan might still be a swing state).

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
11. Sanders is winning in small caucus states which are overwhelmingly white
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:55 AM
Mar 2016

while Hillary is winning in a big primary state which is going to be a swing state this year and winning big among a diverse group including Native Americans and Latinos.

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
36. Hillary won more delegates tonight...as in coming from AZ where close to 2 million people
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:32 AM
Mar 2016

We're not allowed to vote? Mostly Independents and newly signed up voters?


http://ivn.us/2016/03/22/1-2-million-arizonans-barred-from-participating-in-presidential-contest-they-pay-for/


Independent Voters barred from voting. Close to 2 million lost votes.......

grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
38. Those who are registered Democrats should have their votes counted.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:48 AM
Mar 2016

Not those who just showed up. AZ is a closed primary. You had to register your affiliation prior to the February deadline in order to vote.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
43. Yes, independent voters are typically barred from voting in closed primaries.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:57 AM
Mar 2016

It's why they're called closed primaries.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
42. He cut into her lead by six delegates.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:54 AM
Mar 2016

She currently leads him by quite a bit more than six delegates.

And there are only 22 contests remaining.

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