that claim because he knows it's a bullshit claim.

....even though Republicans ran the election.

Any excuse that gets you out of bed in the morning.

Really, I am surprised that someone usually so accurate would go here.

It said that election fraud happens in America and even Democrats do it. It's not exactly difficult to understand the implication of what the poster was implying.

No actual claim as such was made. Maybe you have the ability to read minds.

It's not exactly news that election fraud has been committed at times by a very broad range of political actors. As pointed out, of course, Arizona is currently run by a Republican administration. One should look at the available facts rather than rule them out with generalities in advance.

and tried to change and cross over in closed primary. From what my peeps tell me who live out there, that was happening a lot. They should have changed affiliation earlier.

Was Al Gore a sore loser too?

They have pure contempt for fair elections. That obviously is true for the conservatives in the dem party too.

As a democrat, keeping up with the results, seeing that folks were in line for hours and hours, it was beyond ridiculous. The republican Maricopa County Controller reduced the polling stations from 200 to 60 in 2012 in where Phoenix and close to 50% of the democratic vote resides. Ignore the trolls, look at it as a sign of Republican "voter suppression". That's a 3.3 fold decrease in the largest county in the state. Making it harder to vote is not good, yes she won, but you have to let yourself be aware that this is terrible for all democrats.

But 2-6 hour lines have been the norm in elections.

It is awful and a travesty, but not "election fraud." I'm not saying you're calling it fraud, the op is.

I'm also not a huge fan of closed primaries, but that's also pretty normal. I like same day registration and online voting.

I'm just going to repeat these things over and over till I become one with apparently the majority of the Democratic Party and I can feel so accepted again.

you can use in attempting to downplay election fraud. Maybe you could call the Bernie supporters "Sore Loserman" and keep pointing out the votes have already been counted and it's time to move on. If that doesn't work, just get a mob to try to shut down any recounts that might take place. If that doesn't work, try to get judges averse to the concept of the consent of the governed to shut down the whole thing.

Just damn SMH

Even the appearance of voter fraud is a smear to our form of governing. I don't care which side is the cause or victim.
It is wrong and any time a case can be made that it occurs it needs serious addressing.
You are giving Hillary supporters a bad name and you need to apologize.

allegation from Sanders supporters is election fraud,every..single..time. I don't care to pretend it's "concern" about election fraud,it's a naked attempt to delegitimize her wins,and it's beyond obvious at this point. I'm not the least bit ashamed of stating the obvious and I sure as shit am not going to apologize for it.

unless you can identify the 'every...single...time.
The situation in Arizona rises above the pall and needs some light shined on the apparent manipulation or our rights.
You should apologize for generalizing and marginalizing peoples concerns at the least.

I'm not going to repeat myself as to why.

I don't believe that I saw a single post challenging Hillary's "wins" in the Southern RED States.
You know, the states that will NEVER go to Hillary in the General Election.

Corruption are you.

I can only wonder why all of the "shenanigans seems to occur where Hillary is involved... or Bill for that matter.... And Hillary ALWAYS seems to prevail when there is ... said "issues." Just a thought...

Presidential Preference elections--which are like closed primaries.

Arizona was the latter, and you can't just show up and vote.

Look, Sanders took two last night, get over it. Arizona is looking just fine.

smh!

Primary in Arizona.

There's no "same day registration."

You have to be willfully ignoring facts. The news reports are endless. But please, tell me you care about voters.

Right!

Amazing how these AZ election workers knew which voters to screw over--what magical abilities those guys have! Not only are they devious disenfranchisers, they can READ MINDS, too, and determine who a candidate is voting for! Because somehow, they only stiff-armed the people from Camp Sanders, and left the Clinton Crew alone!



But please...tell me you care about FACTS!

Are you just playing dumb for the peanut gallery.

Btw - I have never once argued individual candidate disenfranchisement. People in my state, my county, my village, my neighborhood couldn't vote when rules were broken. Polls closed without ballots. Polls with extended hours closed early anyway, some sent voters away. I take voter disenfranchisement seriously. I don't give a shit who they're there to vote for. If they can take my neighbor's' vote, they could take mine. And yours.

Real nice. Your first go-to is to call me dumb, huh?

It's Sanders voters--likely INDEPENDENTS who never registered to vote in the Presidential Preference election--who are griping. Not Clinton voters.

So, whatever. They didn't "take" anyone's vote. Sanders' people didn't get out the word to his green/independent/boutique party supporters that they had to become Democrats to be able to participate.

Sounds like someone in his campaign was OVERPAID and didn't do his voter outreach job.

You're smarter than that, I asked if you were playing dumb.

There are many democrats, not claiming who they were voting one way or another, showing the issues. Including individuals recording themselves going into the clerks office to address the issue. Including people that show they were verified online as democrats in advance of the vote. Only to go in and find their registration changed.

The unspoken part of the question is "Are you a moron...or are you JUST PLAYING DUMB...?" You double down in your next post with the dismissive "You're smarter than that, I asked if you were playing dumb." Subtext: How dare you get annoyed that I insulted you!


You know what you did and you know why you did it. You wanted to stick the knife in, to be hurtful and insulting, so you resorted to name-calling.

I see what you did.

You could have had a discussion on policy, but instead, you went straight for the PERSONAL, and attacked me.

Which, as we know, is suggestive of an individual lacking a real argument.

Your words reflect on you, not me.

And you spent way more time addressing that than the actual issue of the documented issues in Arizona.

Go Team!

are, none of them, Clinton voters.

Apparently the Clinton voters knew the secret word, and were able to get a ballot, while the poor, underprivileged Sanders supporters were treated differently..... ?

Not buying it.

If there were long lines due to fewer polling locations, that is a separate issue. But if Sanders voters were turned away, that's because they didn't change their registration soon enough.

They were voters. Period. And, every Democrat should want the voice of every voter heard, regardless of who they are voting for. But, I guess it is easier in your case to be snarky rather than standing up for people.

Do you have the same reaction in the general election when voters are disenfranchised in the same way or is that also just politics, especially when it only hits the poorer areas?

But hey, whatever.

I'm not being snarky--I'm pointing out what everyone is observing.

It's no secret where the complaints are coming from.

The point you make on Clinton supporters not having an issue with voter disenfranchisement is really more telling than Sanders supporters having an issue. Democrats used to care about this as an issue and, if we can't be bothered with it in our own primaries, there is no leg to stand on when it continues to happen in the GE.

Perhaps the people who never affiliated with the Democratic Party had no way of knowing that this was a closed Presidential Preference Election.

See? DEMOCRATS knew what the score was. Indys, Greens, and other fringe party affiliates didn't.

BS had a nice day in ID and UT. You'd think the Sanders camp would stow the sour grapes just once. This continuous carping every time Clinton wins gets old. "Boy That Cried Wolf" is not a good look, and it devalues real enfranchisement issues.

Are you going to blindly accept votes in the GE that obviously disenfranchise voters, especially as the most disenfranchised are the poor and working class? Who cares what the Sanders people say - this is a bigger issue than just this primary and we as Democrats, especially on this site, used to care about it. Did you just roll over in 2000 and 2004, thinking to yourself that it was just the price of democracy or did you argue against the system that was so obviously wrong? If we can't be bothered to fight every battle for every voter then do we have the high ground when it comes to making the argument in the GE or is it just sour grapes at that point?

Sanders supporters are griping--AGAIN.

This sour grapes routine needs to stop. Try working to get your candidate elected, instead of trying to crap on every Clinton win. It's getting painfully obvious that this is a strategy, and it's not working.

Here's a pro tip if you live in Arizona: You have to be a DEMOCRAT to vote in a Democratic "Presidential Preference" Election. Further, you have to have been a Democrat for at least a MONTH to qualify to vote. Switching registration a week before the vote, and then crying because you're turned away at the polls, ain't gonna cut it.

Get over it. Sanders does shitty in closed elections, because he has been free with his disparagement of Democrats down the years, and long term Democrats do not regard him as the BEST candidate for the job.

some of whom had checked online to make sure they were verified as Ds also given provisional ballots after being told at the polls that they were not Ds.

People in line to vote until midnight in some places, hours after results were being broadcast...

She won substantially beyond any margin of doubt.

Get over it.

first vote was cast in Arizona. That's their talking point and they're sticking to it!

Excuse du jour.

Ah the illusions of utopian youth.

I'm astounded that devious poll workers can look at someone who didn't bother to register a month ahead for a party affiliation, and magically know for which candidate they were voting, and only turn those Sanders-voting people away.

I'd like to know where these poll workers learned to read minds!

Could it be Hillary voters knew the "secret sign" or something? Double thumbs-up and a wink wink nudge?

smh!

You see all those late voters were Sanders supporters!

And if that were true Hillary would still have won, her margin was 35%.

Goddamn this place is funny. Delusion on the left no better than the right wing version. No one ever loses fair and square. Always a conspiracy.

I hope the sore loser brigade votes for Trump. They are a numerically insignificant portion of the general election dem electorate. I'll take black and Latino voters any day over a few pissed off privileged utopian S who probably wouldn't show up to vote in most years anyway. The fabled youth vote? Obama barely got it above average.

You win elections with known voters.

to dispute every election Hillary wins.

As a Democrat, I want everyone to have their voice heard, regardless of candidate. Nice job sounding like a Republican though.

I'm pointing out the fact that too many "Democrats" on this board are actually okay with disenfranchising voters. There was a time when everyone here would have been horrified by this. If we are not insuring everyone eligible to vote in our primaries gets the opportunity to vote, how do we have a leg to stand on when voters continue to be disenfranchised in the general election.

I don't care who any of those voters planned to vote for. I do care that their voice is heard and I am tired of seeing the less fortunate areas of our country continually be the ones singled out for these problems. It is quite disappointing that voter disenfranchisement is met with snark rather than outrage here.

I'm sure he will file a formal complaint about it.

I just checked the news.

Nothing from Bernie about disenfranchising voters.

The lines of voters that didn't get to vote don't count? People being turned away doesn't count? What does Bernie have to do with that?

As Democrats we have been fighting voter suppression for years. From the Jeb Bush debacle in Florida to the Scott Walker mess up in Wisconsin, and we should be continuing the fight from state to state. This was a case where a Republican cut the polling places in a working class area by 70%. You don't see that happening in the affluent areas of this country, you see it in areas that target the working class and the poor. And yet, for some inexplicable reason, you don't care about the voters unless Bernie says something about it? Every single one of those voters could vote for Hillary so I don't see where Bernie comes into this. And really, we shouldn't care who they vote for, as long as they get to vote.

People like you are the reason we don't have the high ground when it comes to the voter suppression attempts across the country, because you don't truly care about the voters, just a candidate.

NOW its a problem right?

Didn't hear a thing about this beforehand, but now its a problem.

Understood.

I'm still waiting for Bernie to file a formal protest with the Arizona sec of state, that will be big news no doubt!

Just as all Democrats should be, and all Democrats should be arguing against them. The fact that you see this as a one time issue is truly telling and the fact that you are willing to blow it off is even more telling.

Republicans have done their best to suppress the vote across the country. Voter ID laws have made it extremely difficult for the poor and elderly to vote in many places. Wisconsin shut down DMV locations in the poor and working class areas to make it even more difficult for these people to get IDs for voting. Some states are shutting down early voting in order to suppress the vote and make it more difficult for the working class to make it to the polls. Florida has a habit of clearing their voter rolls of valid voters prior to the general election to suppress the vote. And, in Arizona, polling places now have been cut 70% in a working class area.

The list goes on and on and, if you haven't seen people here railing against this, you haven't been paying attention. This has been an issue for years and has been discussed in depth. Again, nobody knows how any of those disenfranchised voters would have voted - they could be 100% Hillary. Take off the candidate blinders and realize this is a much larger issue than just a primary.

He hasn't complained about the voting situation in Arizona at all this morning.

Every Democrat should be standing up and shouting about this. It isn't a Bernie issue, it is an all of us issue.

Democratic Presidential Preference election, and wants to cast a ballot, and is turned away, because .... wait for it ...

They aren't DEMOCRATS.

It is a PARTY election. Not an open one.

Get over it.

I guess I'd put it the other way around.

I say it shows that Hillary can't win without cheating.

As long as we're floating conspiracy theories without the slightest trace of evidence...

that $820K salary he got last month....that's a LOT of twenty seven dollar donations.

"Look over THERE!!!!" is always a good trick--works a time or two.

From YOUR link:

elections covered were POTUS 12 and Congressional 14.

So why even link that article?

There is literally no way a result like last night's Arizona dem primary gets achieved by fraud. It wasn't even close.

Sore loser talk is not worthy of the Bernie Sanders I know.

only to malign Bernie supporters. They don't know Bernie and do not post on good faith.

Meanwhile, everyone else just wants everyone to have their voice heard. Nobody knows the breakdown of those disenfranchised - they could have been 100% for Hillary. The fact is, any true Democrat should be fighting against voter suppression and, if that isn't a cause you find important, I know a political party more in line with your views.

Don't spread FUD.

Lots of people were registering as Democrats to vote for Bernie. LOTS more than Clinton.

And, again, you have to know this.

Funny thing too: I bet the Establishment knew/knows this as well.

Not this shit again

That's a LOT of twenty seven dollar donations, that payday.

https://twitter.com/mill09/status/712114710418759680

Damn oligarchs... I have no idea why he hired those millionaires. People with so much moolah have no idea how we the 'people' live.

I can see why he wants to keep going--that's a nice payday.

That's big bank

Hillary winning the AZ primary was not in their interest.

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Sander's has yet to experience the republican billionaires and their onslaught of attacks perpetuated by corporate media. Hillary has, she is superior to any candidate that could ever attempt to run for President of the United States.

I love how Sander's supporters cite polls when he's yet to face the music, for when that music comes, the shine will come right off.

blah, blah, blah, , , numbers don't mean a thing. Ignore all those polls that are saying the SAME thing MONTH after MONTH, POLL after POLL. . . . . turn your head away.
Makes you the equivalent of the GOP climate deniers.

Go figure, you only think about yourselves. It's a trend.

Though I agree we need to work more on elections. There were people turned away in the Michigan primary too. No polling place should ever run out of ballots, and things should be organized so there are no long lines.

The OP said:

"Newly registered Democrats turned away because the voter registration rolls weren't updated... "

If that's the case, that would disproportionately affect one candidate... newly registered voters would disproportionately include the youngest voters, and the youth vote does tend to swing a particular way.

I'm a Hillary supporter, and I'm with her in 2016. I've been very vocal about it as well.

That said, voter disenfranchisement pisses me off to no end. As much as I may be happy about the results, it is outrageous that voters.. regardless of their candidate support or party affiliation need go through this kind of hell just to make their vote heard.

Not so much towards the OP, but towards several of the replies that are suggesting that this is Hillary driven:

Get a f'n clue.

Unless you happen to believe that Hillary is so powerful that she directs and controls Republican held legislative and executive branches now, the ass-ertion is ridiculous in the least. Arizona has:
Republican governor
2x Republican US Senators.
5 of 9 of their US Congresspersons are Republican
Strong Republican held state Senate
Strong Republican held state House

And she STILL has the power to completely rig the Primary election in her favor? WOW! What a capable POTUS she will be. She pulls her party AND the lines out the opposition party.

If she's really that powerful, I'll gladly look forward to another Ginsburg/Breyer type nomination to the SCOTUS (After all, THOSE are the Justices a Clinton administration has given us!).


Yes it's crappy the way the REPUBLICAN legislature has set things up in Arizona. I do hope the OP is right and something legal is done about it. To the ones who are trying to link this to some action on Hillary's part.. LOL.

I realize not getting your stories straight is kinda like a tribute to Princess Weathervane, but sheesh...

That said, I'm not buying into this "fraud" nonsense. It was just an incompetently-held election, with no deliberate shenanigans. Having grown up in Arizona, this isn't the least surprising to me.

The most blatant was Bill's illegal activities in Massachusetts, but if Hillary wins this way, she will go down to defeat in the general. Heck, if she's the candidate, she will lose to Trump anyway, even if her dirty hands are ignored. Only Bernie has a chance to win in the general against Trump.

This shit just tells me that everything people fear about her dishonesty is justified.

At the end of the day, it looks like this game only has one rule: win.

where cheating was evident were also the states where he coincidentally won.

These "theories" are tired and, frankly, embarrassing.

and stop acting like 8th graders in the losing locker room.

Facts:

1) Maricopa County is a highly gop and gop leaning independent
2) republican SoS
3) republican County Recorder/Clerk
4) republican Governor
5) trump's turn-out numbers are actually up (versus being promised to show)

Hint ... This ain't about Democrats.

Tell me, you really don't believe that!

Redo their primary also. Why did the campaign leaders advise the voters Arizona was a closed primary? This information was posted on DU last year and probably afterwards, plenty of time to change party.

If we don't fix this by November then we have real problems. But primaries are basically advisory and this one seems decisive.

Sanders is the dream candidate for Republicans, and anything that stretches out the Democratic primary helps them.

I know Sanders supporters like to trot out hypothetical GE polls, but there's a reason Rebublicans are holding their tongues and keeping their powder completely dry when it comes to Bernie. And it's not fear.

not trying to decipher who the Republicans prefer to run against.

a lame excuse. Whether it's fraud! Or confederacy! Or Bill Clinton! Or closed primary!

If those saying this stuff are actually liberal (and not RW trolls), do you really think this type of talk will help our side in the fall?

When that option is available to them. Standing in line for anything is a waste of time when there are more convenient options readily available.