2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"BUT THEY ARE RED STATES!!!!!"...
First it was "END THE CAUCUS!" when Bernie lost Iowa and Nevada. Then it was "BUT THEY ARE RED STATES!" when Hillary swept the South.
Then....Bernie wins some red state caucuses, and it's "BERNIE WON RED STATE CAUCUSES! YAY!".
Thy hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Here's the deal: Hillary was outspent in all 3 states by nearly 3:1 margin. She didnt even campaign in ID or UT except for sending Michelle Kwan to UT for a day. She is playing the delegate map. She increased her popular vote totals with 3 more states down.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,919 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)More please?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Hilarious because its true.
reddread
(6,896 posts)the only question is who is laughing now?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)This is highly entertaining to those of us who didn't wake up yesterday when St Bernard decided to play politics & understand how the election process works.
reddread
(6,896 posts)especially when fabricating and spreading manure?
takes some real crafty geniuses I bet.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Maybe some will rub off on you. 😉
reddread
(6,896 posts)Bernie will take the whole enchilada,
and NOTHING liars and orphan chasing affiliates say is going to change that.
this is our turn.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Maybe if you click your heels 3 times he'll give you a pony too.
reddread
(6,896 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)The whole enchilada? Like, are we even watching the same election? Yo, he is WAY BEHIND. Y'all be actually serious about this...
Armstead
(47,803 posts)That includes me and thee....It's called human nature.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Said red states dont matter. Hillary supporters never said that.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)So objective and free of all biases.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Bernie fans were the only ones bashing red state wins.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)You're being ridiculous
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Not rocket science.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Candidates are supposed to spend money so voters know who they are and what they stand for - and where she doesn't spend money advertising, people who KNOW HER vote for a little guy who prior to one year ago had no national presence - a Senator from a very small state.
Another issue you completely ignore is the "millennial vote" - people who learned about her while they were in elementary school. My kids are currently learning about Michelle and Barack Obama; they have reading assignments and biographies, and at elementary grade levels, it is all flattering "rah rah" stuff. My kids *adore* the President and First Lady. But the people who grew up with the Clintons in the White House are rejecting her in unprecedented margins.
If she was a GOOD CANDIDATE - think Elizabeth Warren - people would be flocking. Instead, one side hates her, a large percentage of her own party despises her cronyism and corruption, and the best argument her supporters can truly offer is "be afraid of Trump!"
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)And check the total popular vote from last night.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)I know one person who is supporting her, and doing so while holding his nose. He prefers Bernie, but believes Hillary can win. (I don't - I think she will drop out in return for a non-prosecution.)
The money, power and corruption amassed by the Clintons since they left office is unprecedented. The fact they are trying to get back there (making the funds they've collected a good investment by their backers) is one of the worst, most disillusioning moments of my political life.
I am embarrassed by them.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)How is it possible that he didn't win?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)monicaangela
(1,508 posts)to start trying to figure out how she is going to get independents to vote for her. A victory in the primaries will not help her in the general. Facts and wisdom says that HRC does not stand up well against Trump or Cruz in a General Election.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)There is no conventional wisdom this year.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)A recent CNN/ORC poll found that while Trump and Clinton perform extremely well against candidates of their own parties, they don't when competing across the aisle.
Bernie Sanders and Clinton both would beat Trump by double digits, according to hypothetical general election matchups.
Eliminate Trump, though, and Clinton's race gets a lot tighter. Ted Cruz would tie with her in a hypothetical matchup, and John Kasich would beat her by 6 points.
Kasich fares the best against the Democratic front-runner, yet only 17 percent of Republican voters polled want him to get the nomination.
However, a large majority 65 percent of Republicans said if Trump wins the nomination, they would not want to see another Republican candidate run in the general election as a third-party candidate.
On the Democratic side, Sanders actually performs better than Clinton against every Republican candidate. But it's becoming more and more unlikely he'll get the Democratic nomination.
My point was "it is time for Hillary Clinton to start figuring out how she is going to win the Independent vote in the General.
Instead of getting angry at me, maybe it would be a better idea to help your candidate figure that out.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Which makes sense. No need to blow tons of money and effort for no reason. Its time to focus on the general.
Loki
(3,825 posts)Wow, so many of them voted too.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)And she does have not only name recognition but voters knows her accomplishments. On the other side Sanders was mayor for ten years and was in Congress for twenty five years and he does not have name recognition and voters do not know what he has accomplished. Now, why is one with less time elected called "established" and the other with thirty years an elected official is "not established". Maybe it is simply because Hillary has more accomplishments and experience.
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)More populated red states full of black people don't
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