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Logical

(22,457 posts)
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:27 AM Mar 2016

Amazing that Bernie was almost unknown nationally yet hillary is still losing states to him!

This says a lot about hillary being a very weak candidate!

People just do not trust or like her.

Hillary was a political machine with all the resources in the world yet she is losing states to a candidate that no one knew.

Scary!

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Amazing that Bernie was almost unknown nationally yet hillary is still losing states to him! (Original Post) Logical Mar 2016 OP
Amazing what falsely promising trillions in new entitlements to uninformed voters can create. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #1
No, its not bernie, it is the lack of people,wanting hillary! Nt Logical Mar 2016 #2
No, I think it's the promise in trillions of new entitlements. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #6
Bullshit, and funny how hillary fans now hate single payer and free college! Lol! Nt Logical Mar 2016 #21
This OP is about Sanders rising from obscurity. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #26
Right, it couldn't be choie Mar 2016 #35
I'm going with Logical on this one rock Mar 2016 #69
Taxed Enough Already? frylock Mar 2016 #77
wow you sound so much like a republican. Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #4
This OP is about Sanders emergence from obscurity. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #11
If you don't think you sound just like a republican you are fooling yourself Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #16
I know it's about the money. That's what has drawn the youth vote. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #19
It's amazing how much so called "Democrats" sound like Ron Paul pinebox Mar 2016 #12
yeah this election is a real eye opener. Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #18
Indeed. Many are "Dempublicans" it seems pinebox Mar 2016 #20
If they didn't have so many dem voters who are willing to settle for repub lite vintx Mar 2016 #38
They're using Tea Party arguments against raising taxes. frylock Mar 2016 #79
I'd put any Bernie supporters political aptitute againt any Clinton supporter's any day of the week. bobbobbins01 Mar 2016 #24
It doesn't take aptitude to respond to promises of having one's college debt wiped clean. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #30
He isn't. He's made it very clear that nothing will get done until congress changes. bobbobbins01 Mar 2016 #37
He understands human nature. Free college in the near future is his hook. Youth think short term. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #39
Youth think short term? pinebox Mar 2016 #85
And Hillary's aren't? The most hated politician is going to get stuff passed? pinebox Mar 2016 #84
There isn't anything false about his policies... TCJ70 Mar 2016 #32
I'm pretty sure college kids are focusing on their debt. Not the debt of a future class. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #41
They might be, but that's OK. Why are their issues not important? TCJ70 Mar 2016 #49
That is exactly what my right-wing coworkers say vintx Mar 2016 #36
Yeah, because everyone knows... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #67
Lol, is this meme still being pumped? Tarc Mar 2016 #3
Hillary was supposed to run away with this, and she is not, and it is bad news for her. Nt Logical Mar 2016 #5
No it isn't "bad news". My god this is the dimmest of DU narratives Tarc Mar 2016 #40
She is running away with it. metroins Mar 2016 #42
She's winning the primary peggysue2 Mar 2016 #75
You are making an illogical conclusion. It says we have two great candidates. randome Mar 2016 #7
Amazing! rjsquirrel Mar 2016 #8
LOL! Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #14
And another. thereismore Mar 2016 #65
Come again? Were you addressing me? Very vague... Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #66
Found another one! thereismore Mar 2016 #64
LOL. The weak candidate is the one losing the primary. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #9
Come on - a year ago, you would have never guessed he would get more than 50 delegates. nt Lucky Luciano Mar 2016 #17
A mere 8 months ago they were claiming that Bernie would be lucky to win one state. frylock Mar 2016 #80
You know that hill is shocked by the bernie support! She is clueless why though. Nt Logical Mar 2016 #22
if he were to win the nomination... artyteacher Mar 2016 #10
Bernie has communist connections? pinebox Mar 2016 #13
yeah... artyteacher Mar 2016 #55
Like we won't be treated to another few rounds of Monica's blue dress, etc. Benghazi. E-mails. djean111 Mar 2016 #68
How many people, let alone voters, under thirty five give a rat's ass about any of that? mikehiggins Mar 2016 #76
LOL. It doesn't count unless Hillary wins all 50 states! Utah is the one that matters! DanTex Mar 2016 #15
No dan, admit this has been much harder than you hill fans thought it would be! Logical Mar 2016 #25
Most "Hill" voters know it is in the bag. Darb Mar 2016 #28
Lol, i agree hill fans have not paid attention about hillary at all! Nt Logical Mar 2016 #53
It's patently obvious that "Hill" voters aren't paying attention. frylock Mar 2016 #81
Who cares if he got a little closer than I thought? Hillary wins, that's what matters. But, hey, DanTex Mar 2016 #29
Keep laughing! Maybe hills trust numbers will go up...well, probably not. Nt Logical Mar 2016 #56
Oh, I'll keep laughing. Don't you worry! DanTex Mar 2016 #57
Cant wait if hill is in GE, who knows what shit will come out. Should be interesting. Nt Logical Mar 2016 #59
You won't have to wait long, the primary will be over soon. DanTex Mar 2016 #60
Yep, after the convention. Nt Logical Mar 2016 #61
LOL. That's all y'all have left. Precious time! DanTex Mar 2016 #62
True, it is a long shot, but he can stay in and try to keep her at least acting like a liberal. Nt Logical Mar 2016 #63
Oh, people love the UNDERDOG. Makes the race more fun to watch...don't cha know? Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #23
This. metroins Mar 2016 #44
^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #48
Caucuses. I wouldn't go to one either. Darb Mar 2016 #27
Media loves a horse race- better ratings=more money redstateblues Mar 2016 #31
Most of Sanders' wins have been caucuses in mostly-white states. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #33
Um forjusticethunders Mar 2016 #46
I'm a Millenial. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #50
I'd like to see the evidence for this forjusticethunders Mar 2016 #54
Yep lmbradford Mar 2016 #34
Imagine if the perpetually disgruntled ... JoePhilly Mar 2016 #43
That is a very good statement. Nt metroins Mar 2016 #47
Excellent observation... Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #51
So, Clinton's only legitimacy is a sweep nationally, no losses, every vote across the nation. seabeyond Mar 2016 #45
Yup Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2016 #70
Yes, that's the only way a woman actually gets to claim victory. Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #78
Not amazing. Bernie is making big promises he knows he can't keep redstateblues Mar 2016 #52
Bernie wins small, majority white states, Confederate/red states workinclasszero Mar 2016 #58
Amazing that Buffalo scored 17 points against Dallas' 52 in 1992 LanternWaste Mar 2016 #71
Even more amazing was Bill Clinton in 1992 ... Onlooker Mar 2016 #72
Primaries traditionally are the time when people choose idealism over practicality. anotherproletariat Mar 2016 #73
I see it from a different angle. Hillary is not weak but just jwirr Mar 2016 #74
Sanders is spending more money, and Clinton has 3 million more votes. She connects more with the seabeyond Mar 2016 #82
K&R -- Could not agree more. This should be all over the media. senz Mar 2016 #83
You can't have it both ways--he's almost unknown and yet you don't concede book_worm Mar 2016 #86
 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
6. No, I think it's the promise in trillions of new entitlements.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:37 AM
Mar 2016

When someone tells you that it's not about the money, be certain it's about the money.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
26. This OP is about Sanders rising from obscurity.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:00 AM
Mar 2016

He has stoked the college kids up with promises of wiping their college debt slate clean. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous IMO.

choie

(4,107 posts)
35. Right, it couldn't be
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:06 AM
Mar 2016

That Bernie doesn't have the stink of corruption on him and promotes income equality and a less strong armed foreign policy...

rock

(13,218 posts)
69. I'm going with Logical on this one
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:50 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie has promised so many "free" things that he has to raise taxes, for some by a considerable amount.

Cobalt Violet

(9,905 posts)
4. wow you sound so much like a republican.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:36 AM
Mar 2016

sad that our party has devolved into a another rightwing party.

At least some of us are fighting to move the party back to the left.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
11. This OP is about Sanders emergence from obscurity.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:39 AM
Mar 2016

If you don't think it's about promising trillions in new entitlements, then you're only fooling yourself.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
12. It's amazing how much so called "Democrats" sound like Ron Paul
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:39 AM
Mar 2016

Is that you Ron Paul?
Fuck the people, support the 1%!

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
38. If they didn't have so many dem voters who are willing to settle for repub lite
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:08 AM
Mar 2016

the third way types couldn't have succeeded.

Progressives have been held hostage using scares like 'scotus!' for way too long.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
24. I'd put any Bernie supporters political aptitute againt any Clinton supporter's any day of the week.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:59 AM
Mar 2016

The more informed people are, the more likely they vote for Bernie.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
30. It doesn't take aptitude to respond to promises of having one's college debt wiped clean.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:04 AM
Mar 2016

Sanders knows his policies are DOA in Congress. He's deceiving the youth vote. I have a real problem with that.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
37. He isn't. He's made it very clear that nothing will get done until congress changes.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:08 AM
Mar 2016

He says that in literally every speech he makes. There is no deception there. And you insult the youth by thinking they would be so easily deceived.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
85. Youth think short term?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:47 PM
Mar 2016

Wrong. Very wrong.

In fact thinking about free tuition is a very important aspect for peoples future and there is NO excuse why we can't do this in the richest country on earth when other countries already are. Do you know what my kid will pay in Germany for college? A big fat zero. Thanks free college! He'll never have to worry about student loan debt like the millions here.

We enslave our future generations and for what? This has a detrimental impact on the economy. Think about it, millions will never own houses or even be able to buy cars.

You both enable and condone that in your position. Sorry but maybe you should go join a Republican site.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
32. There isn't anything false about his policies...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:06 AM
Mar 2016

...that's a really weird thing to say. He's also never been shy about the fact that change won't happen without a significant change in congress. It's in all his speeches.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
49. They might be, but that's OK. Why are their issues not important?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:19 AM
Mar 2016

Also, as someone with a young child, I worry about their debt and have several friends that are still paying off crazy college debt at crazy interest rates. These are real issues for real people.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
67. Yeah, because everyone knows...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:05 AM
Mar 2016

...those trillions are already earmarked for (a) endless war and (b) endless wealth for the already-wealthy.

Silly proles, thinking they should get anything more from their government. Just because other countries manage to deliver health care to all citizens doesn't mean we should. Same with free tuition for higher education. Why, here in the USofA, we're self-reliant! If you fail in this country, you'll fail hard, and that's the way we like it! And we keep the trade deficit under control with those weapons sales, so stop trying to change anything! WUSSES!!

Tarc

(10,475 posts)
3. Lol, is this meme still being pumped?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:35 AM
Mar 2016

Are you still working on the correlative one too; "people just haven't gotten to know Bernie yet" ?


Tarc

(10,475 posts)
40. No it isn't "bad news". My god this is the dimmest of DU narratives
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:10 AM
Mar 2016

Yes, she would have run away with it had Bernie not entered, thank you Captain Obvious. Now the voters have a choice and some (but not enough) have chosen Sanders.

It is hi-fucking-larious to see you people fracture your arms patting yourselves on the back for something that's kinda natural in politics.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
42. She is running away with it.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:12 AM
Mar 2016

She knows that delegates are what wins elections.

Sanders lost the race a month ago.

peggysue2

(10,825 posts)
75. She's winning the primary
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:15 PM
Mar 2016

Take a look at the delegate count. And weep. Because she is running away with it.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
7. You are making an illogical conclusion. It says we have two great candidates.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:38 AM
Mar 2016

Pity you can't see that.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
8. Amazing!
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:38 AM
Mar 2016

What's really amazing is the endless creativity of the very human propensity to rationalize defeat.

artyteacher

(598 posts)
10. if he were to win the nomination...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:38 AM
Mar 2016

The the GOP would make sure everyone knows his Communist connections, sex essays, etc etc

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
13. Bernie has communist connections?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:41 AM
Mar 2016

Please tell us more. We'd love to hear about that.
Meanwhile.....

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artyteacher

(598 posts)
55. yeah...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:26 AM
Mar 2016

He honeymoons in Moscow during the cold war, he's praised Fidel Castro, and he was associated with Communist groups in Israel.

Those may not be fair points, but the GOP doesn't care about fairness.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
68. Like we won't be treated to another few rounds of Monica's blue dress, etc. Benghazi. E-mails.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:14 AM
Mar 2016

The Clinton pile of baggage is huge, and there will be lots of people hearing that shit for the very first time. It doesn't matter if HILLARY has a "thick skin" about it, it is the voters who hear it for the very first time who count, not how Hillary is used to hearing it.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
76. How many people, let alone voters, under thirty five give a rat's ass about any of that?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:47 PM
Mar 2016

Haven't we already seen all of those things talked about in the media? Like there is any suprize in any of it?

Of course the GOP doesn't care about fairness. Remember Willie Horton? So what?

If you could boil down the contest to one between Chump and Sanders (or Cruz and Sanders) there is no contest. The only real struggle is between him and HRC and that's in a party where nobody gives a crap about time spent in a kibbutz.

Faulty argument. As Ayn Rand would say, check your premises.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
29. Who cares if he got a little closer than I thought? Hillary wins, that's what matters. But, hey,
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:03 AM
Mar 2016

enjoy your Utah! As goes Utah, so goes the nation!

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
63. True, it is a long shot, but he can stay in and try to keep her at least acting like a liberal. Nt
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:48 AM
Mar 2016

metroins

(2,550 posts)
44. This.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:13 AM
Mar 2016

As well as a leader who espouses hope with conviction.

I'm a Hillary supporter, but Bernie has a better rallying cry.

Hillary however has the proven record of supporting Democrats and the experience to lead a country.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
48. ^^^This!^^^
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:18 AM
Mar 2016
"Hillary however has the proven record of supporting Democrats and the experience to lead a country."
 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
27. Caucuses. I wouldn't go to one either.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:01 AM
Mar 2016

I wouldn't go to one either. Who has time to sit through one?

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
31. Media loves a horse race- better ratings=more money
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:04 AM
Mar 2016

they have been very favorable to Bernie once he started to get a little traction. The truth is that Trump has received the lion's share of free media

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
33. Most of Sanders' wins have been caucuses in mostly-white states.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:06 AM
Mar 2016

Wholly unrepresentative populations made even more unrepresentative by essentially only allowing young, fit voters with several hours to spare on a work night to participate.

By comparison, it took me all of ten minutes to fill out my Indiana absentee ballot and mail it in.

When more people are allowed to participate, Sanders loses.

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
46. Um
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:14 AM
Mar 2016

>young, fit voters
>have hours to spare on a work night

excuse me? The most underemployed youth generation this century, often working 2+ jobs to make ends meet, has hours to spare to participate?

This is my problem with so many Clinton supporters; they think Bernie supporters are privileged lazy college kids rather than people who have lost big in the "New Economy". I know *multiple* people who have contemplated or ATTEMPTED suicide because of the stress of balancing shit wage jobs with college. We can talk about the issues with Bernie supporters but it goes both ways - a HUGE (YUGE) reason why people view Clinton as a Republican because her supporters often TALK like Republicans and address the concerns of their opponents with Republican-sounding arguments.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
50. I'm a Millenial.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:21 AM
Mar 2016

Yes, I know a lot of us were screwed by the recession, but the idea that even most of us are desperate and hopeless to the point of suicide is just absurd.

Yes, college-age or young professional millenials often have a lot more time to spare than voters in their 40s or 50s, and they generally have less of any issue with accessibility than someone older with a medical condition or a caregiver.

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
54. I'd like to see the evidence for this
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:26 AM
Mar 2016

Also I wasn't saying that every single Millenial is that desperate but we're seeing a historic level of people working below their qualifications - which means people who went to community college, or are still in college, or didn't go into a super high demand field (or more like, a field that doesn't have near zero demand), are doing even worse.

I think people have this idea that many/most people are relatively comfortable middle class when that simply isn't true.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
43. Imagine if the perpetually disgruntled ...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:13 AM
Mar 2016

... tried to build up a few sufficiently liberal 2016 candidates over the last 7+ years rather than endlessly complaining about Obama and doing little else.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
45. So, Clinton's only legitimacy is a sweep nationally, no losses, every vote across the nation.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:14 AM
Mar 2016

The burden men put on women accomplishing a single damn thing. Not something they ask of themselves but demand of woman, in order to gain the title of winner.

Clinton is kicking Sanders ass.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,396 posts)
70. Yup
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:18 PM
Mar 2016

So what if Bernie is proving to be a strong(er) challenge to Clinton? I don't think that anybody claimed that he would not win any primaries? Anyway, Clinton is so far ahead now that it is not mathematically feasible for her to lose no matter how many more primaries Bernie wins.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
52. Not amazing. Bernie is making big promises he knows he can't keep
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:21 AM
Mar 2016

to a politically naive segment of the electorate. It's brilliant scheme-it almost worked.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
58. Bernie wins small, majority white states, Confederate/red states
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:30 AM
Mar 2016

with unfair, undemocratic caucuses, we get that.

Of course a person will never win the democratic nomination like that but whatever.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
71. Amazing that Buffalo scored 17 points against Dallas' 52 in 1992
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:28 PM
Mar 2016

Amazing that Buffalo scored 17 points against Dallas' 52 in 1992. That says a lot about how badly Dallas sucked.

Dallas was a football machine with all the resources in the world yet Buffalo forced Dallas to a three-an-out on their first possession AND blocked the punt AND scored the first touchdown in the game.

Scary!

Though Buffalo still lost by 35 points.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
72. Even more amazing was Bill Clinton in 1992 ...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:33 PM
Mar 2016

... A governor of Arkansas, not really very well known at all, but he went on to win the primaries and the nomination.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
73. Primaries traditionally are the time when people choose idealism over practicality.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:37 PM
Mar 2016

I know many people, including my own mother, who want to make sure 'the powers that be' know she likes many of Bernie's talking points, so voted for him in the primary. She lives in Florida, so knew it wouldn't hurt Hillary, who she donates to and plans to vote for in the GE.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
74. I see it from a different angle. Hillary is not weak but just
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:05 PM
Mar 2016

not in touch with the needs of the people. This Bernie is strong on the issues. And I am delighted that the machine and massive money is not working for her. Times are changing.

And as to scary - not at all. Finally people are waking up and listening to the issues. Democracy still has a chance - when the machine and the money rule democracy dies.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
82. Sanders is spending more money, and Clinton has 3 million more votes. She connects more with the
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:15 PM
Mar 2016

people for less of the buck.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
83. K&R -- Could not agree more. This should be all over the media.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:57 PM
Mar 2016

She has had every advantage. She came into this loaded with money, fame, family name, connections, power, influence, expectations, reputation for vengeance, MSM support.

Who could hope to beat that? Few Democrats even tried to challenge her.

And this unknown elderly Jewish senator from a small rural state who entered the race last spring has been giving her a serious run for her money.

This fascinating story should be the talk of the nation -- if the MSM didn't have a blackout on him.

It will be in the history books. No matter how this turns out.

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
86. You can't have it both ways--he's almost unknown and yet you don't concede
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:47 PM
Mar 2016

that he does better in polls against Republicans because he's not as well known--and so, he wouldn't be doing as well if he has been subjected to the kinds of attacks Hillary has gotten for 25 years by the republicans and the media.

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