Aaaaaaand... scene.

You win

Or do you just feel compelled to comment without reading for some reason?

"The problem is that Hillary rarely actually "means" any of the things she says. It's basically all spin and PR.

I mean, almost every single word out of her mouth during that whole statement was obvious BS:

-It's not "unprecedented in history" for candidates to withdraw (or to be urged to withdraw) for party unity. For example, the Reps urged Huckabee to withdraw for unity just this year.
-Nobody tried to push her out "since Iowa". It only started when she had less than 1% chance of winning without some catastrophe happening to Obama.
-The Obama camp has never suggested that she should drop out.
-She's lying through her teeth when she says "I don't understand" the unity argument -- unless she's completely braindead.
-The Bill Clinton analogy was BS
-The RFK analogy was BS.

100% BS. Did she "mean" any of it? Who knows what is going on in her head.

Maybe she meant it as a double entendre. Her "official" meaning was that RFK was still campaigning. But she was in a particularly bitter mood, so she left the word "assassinated" as a jab."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6111215

So it's hard to take you as a consistent or sincere communicator, you just do extreme verbiage and great certainty no matter which side you argue for. Those words about Hillary are about as brutal as they get, and they are all yours.

Yeah, she should have dropped out. Just like Bernie should drop out now.

Just dumb sour grapes

Voter suppression and systemic harassment is outrageous no matter which candidate ends up winning

Funny thing about hypocrisy... Did you know it causes people to harass the family members of strangers they post with on websites by sending racist diatribes that call her a racist? Sad they posted HER FULL NAME OVER AND OVER and none of their buddies stepped in and said that posting her privte info was bullying and might cause strange trolls to track her down to punish her for daring to not support their fav candidate? Nobody said a damn thing but worry about their own feelings and want understanding. And like, want the same empathy that they refuse to afford to others.

Explain why people ignore that stuff but whine bout Clinton fans extolling the virtues of delegate totals. Funny how when they want sympathy, now we are all human, but nobody in their crew was winning to accept my humanity but instead piled on like a wave of mean.

But if you want explanations for the nature of people's responses to some of your posts, I might suggest a good read of your own posts with an objective look at the tone.

Is not my damn fault just because of the 'nature of my posts'. Kinda hypocritical to even act like my posts are so bad they merit mass harassment, swarming, bullÿing, stalking, and targeting my family with racist diatribes. If they do not like my posts they can ignore them like I do theirs. Making excuses only compounds the problem. I know how to take blame for my shit. I know how to apologize. I refuse to accept blame for theirs or allow it to be explained away by how 'bad' I am like I deserve it any more than they do for their vituperative posts. And I refuse to allow those that stood by in dead silence to even act like they can judge me.
Where were you? Why did you NOT SPEAK UP when they were posting my FULL NAME over and over and over and over and over? I guess the nature of my posts means I deserve anything they can come up with. I wonder why I'm special??????? It is perfectly fine to post nasty anti black racist diatribes to me, and my BLACK FAMILY, just because they hate the nature of my comments. I wonder why those anti racists who hate my racist self are perfect people even while posting and sending hateful anti black messages. I guess the only acceptable racism is the racism against blacks. That's when everybody looks the other way and says nothing. Nobody ever has to apologize.

I said I cannot and will not defend in any way that kind of behavior regarding invading your personal life and privacy.

As for the response to you here as a poster, all I can say is that I once spent a fair amount of time composing a good faith post trying to answer a question you posted here, and I was told all I should do is "Shut the fuck up" because I am a white person.

Instead, you decided to be butt hurt and lost the black vote by 80 percent. Maybe shutting up helps one learn how to fucking win votes because one listens more than they talk. They learn about the culture of the voters they need rather than trying to TEACH them about BERNIE. Now folks are still pissed at me for shutting the session down, but nan one of y'all was listening.
Had you all spent less time worrying about your 'right to free speech!', and 'having a say', and more about developing strategies to bring in black voters, I would STILL be a Sanders Voter. Instead, I tried to get as many blacks as possible to vote Hillary. You are WELCOME. I did it for you.

I am surprised.

Welcome back!

This is my first account.

they didn't change their strategy and still haven't - and now the chickens have come home to roost.

Sorry you are the target for all their ire.

I really did try.

wiggle your fingers, stick your tongue out, and go "phlbphphlbbp!"

It would save us all some time, and evidence as much brainpower.

Sunlight being the best disinfectant and all.

And this needs a shitload of disinfectant, doesn't it?

haters are gonna hate

in real life tho i find most people are just people and basically care about the same things, our families and day to day stuff

<shrugs>

It kind of puts all the times I've been called a "corrupt neo-liberal sellout" into perspective. After NH, there was definitely a smug superiority to the Bernie Sanders Supporter mentality. It gave them license to treat life-long Democrats like the enemy, instead of potential allies.

I have said repeatedly during this primary, purity tests do not build coalitions. They shrink them into fewer and fewer "true believers" who pass the litmus test, as it grows ever more stringent.

I know what it looks like when a bully gets stood up to and tries to pretend like they're the victim all of the suden. This post is an example of that behavior.

After all this hateful nonsense directed at us, we need to be nice. SMMFH

If you bothered to read the OP without blinders, I did not say Sanders supporters are "better than" Clinton supporters, or let us off the hook.

All sides are subject to getting carried away in discussions. That goes with the territory of a political discussion board. (Even non-political discussion boards about recopies or sports or electronics gear.)

But it also depends on the tone of ones posts what kind of response they get. Frankly I don't recall many of your posts, so I don't know the context in which you have been called "corrupt neo-liberal sellout."....If it was in response to reasoned posts by you, then I'd say whoever said was wrong in saying that. But if you were being denigrating or using words like "ponies" then maybe it wasn't out of line.

You don't get to claim high ground by stooping to someone else's level. Sorry, but that's just reality. Either it's wrong to attack someone or it isn't. Make up your mind.

And yes, it is MASSIVELY hypocritical to argue that southern red states don't count but western red states do. Because we all know the difference between the two, and it's the percentage of black voters. I'm sick and tired of the phony progressives behind Sanders allowing and excusing racial dog-whistle language as a means of supporting Bernie Sanders.

You're all blatant libertarians at this point, so just end the charade already.

If you're this thin-skinned against Democrats, you have no hope to make it through a general election.

I honestly don't give a damn what you think. Speaking of projection....

There are plenty of people who support Clinton and/or dislike Sanders who are capable of a reasoned and civil discussion.

I really loathe myself when I fall for trolls like you.

IMO you win this one; if you'd been as rude to people as they are being to you, you'd have gotten your pizza a long time ago. We used to be able to have discussions around here. I miss those days.

Yes, it is correct that I have not had sufficient time to inflate my comment count to over 9,000 by going "+1!" over and over. That doesn't make what I'm pointing out about the OP's trolling any less true though. If you weren't huddled down in a bunker mentality, you might be able to see that, instead of trying to dismiss me because I'm new. I can't get in a time machine and go back to 2001 to register then, so using that as some kind of benchmark of legitimacy is a fool's argument.

I used to be more civil and good natured here too. ....I still try, but it gets difficult sometimes. Oh well.

Particularly this:

...what you really mean is "us antisemitic blacks", right?

You know what I am referring to. If you care to challenge it, please feel free. Because I for one believe your own words gave a very powerful, clear message as to what your views really are.

But go for it. For those who might be curious please see:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1529252

I wonder if other black posters here, not to mention black Democrats in general, are comfortable having you speak for them ("us black confederates&quot ... and BTW, do you actually live in the South? Or do you just always feel entitled to speak for other black people?

By the way: if by harassment you are referring to your incident where someone sent you a threatening snail mail, count me among those who publicly condemned that act of cowardice, and I will again: whoever sent it is a coward, a bully and a lunatic. Of course we don't know their identity nor their motives for doing so, and we never heard about any followup with the authorities. It could as easily have been someone posing as a Bernie supporter as not. It could have been you, for all I know. I wouldn't normally say that -- but I do not trust you one tiny little bit, not at all. Your antics on this site are divisive and nasty and not meant in any way to unite people of like minds -- and having seen what your mind produces, BTW, I am definitely not of "like mind" with the likes of you!

biased against Bernie, a majority of Democratic primary voters are biased against Bernie." All that's missing is a baby-crying sound effect.

Please, stop acting like you don't see any of this going on. It is neither cute nor effective for you to deny the reality in front of your face. It's especially ineffective to try and project your own behavior onto others.

in a discussion.

I think I'm seeing a pattern here

"You ever meet anyone with a persecution complex?"

Every morning on DU after a state primary when the delegates are counted...

blah, blah,blah..."I would STILL be a Sanders Voter."...blah, blah blah...

yeah...that is a credible statement...there is a debating phrase for that type of argument, and I can't recall it's name, but the technique is obvious...

"I was on your side, I agreed with you fully...until I reversed my direction...because of something you did, said, whatever...and do not question my motives, intentions or initial commitment to my position..."

like my buddy says: "Be careful about turning away from someone who says they have your back...they may be taking aim."

Fact is, the Hillary supporters have already had other members PPR'd for antisemitic posts, it's not new. It's an ongoing thing which they actively seek to cover up.

Here is the PPR note for ""kelliekat44, Hillary supporter, Bernie basher, and homophobic bully deluxe who had lots of great allies on DU even after attacking LGBT for 'flaunting their rights and costing us elections' and remained for a year after, bashing LGBT and Jews at every turn until the Paris shootings:

Posting Privileges Revoked
Posted an OP claiming that the terrorist attacks in Paris were an effort to distract the public from the crimes of Jewish bankers. Posted link to disgusting antisemitic website to support this theory.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=292436&sub=trans

During the year between the 'gays are flaunting their rights' post and her eventual banning, I had more than one post hidden for quoting her bigoted posts, I contacted admin who did not care and I PM'd many of those who were friendly with that poster and none of them cared.

We are supposed to allow anti Jewish and anti gay bigots to 'slip up' and say horrible things then both forgive and forget those things until they do it again. I do not play that game.

...she self-deleted the one in GD, but from the comments it appears it was more of a "Dayum, I got caught!" than "I am deeply ashamed". Also there was an apology in the AA group, but that was to the people in that forum, because they might be taking flack for it too (I have not seen any evidence that this is the case, but I may have missed it).

Nowhere will you find an apology from bravenak directed at Jewish people in general, and at Bernie Sanders and his supporters in particular. Why? Because she is not sorry for those thoughts directed at them. She is ONLY sorry it detracts from her "message" in this board and elsewhere, and that it exposes both her prejudice (antisemitism) and her ignorance (apparently she didn't know who Horowitz is, and couldn't tell from the masthead slogan -- "Inside every liberal is a totalitarian waiting to get out" -- that it was an ultraconservative site).

Bottom line: she ISN'T SORRY about what she said, just that it is causing her embarrassment (and by that I mean, em-bare-ass-ment, i.e. showing one's ass).

but I have yet to see any hint of an apology for making DU suck.

At this point, I think we're all owed one.

explained a lot

that ᗺullshit here or elsewhere. As far as I am concerned posters like that are sleaze .

But there should be no double standard when it comes to voting. Voter suppression kills democracy. I am outraged about it, not as a Bernie supporter, but as an American citizen. I don't care if every vote that was suppressed was for Hillary, it's still an outrage, whoever they were for. I don't like her, but people have a right to vote for her, the same as they do for Bernie We laugh this stuff off at our own peril, and the peril of our democracy.

This is one issue that is way more important than who won the primary. One has to see the big picture, and the big picture is ominous, no matter who our preferred candidate is.

Well, you see a lack of integrity that is stunning because integrity is supposed to be paramount to Sanders supporters.
I guess they want it in a candidate but hold themselves to no standards.
If people gave a shit about the voting, they would know that the state Dem party is already filing a complaint. But the outrage is selective and extremely targeted.