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bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:11 AM Mar 2016

1 million this says for vote supression in AZ

http://justicegazette.org/az-sanders-wins-real-vote-while-clinton-wins-rigged-count.html

"Those who continued to wait in long lines late into the night to vote had to combat discouragement from a corporate media that kept telling their votes wouldn't matter as Clinton had already won.

What is odd is that those reporting they were denied the right to vote were primarily Sanders supporters. Last weekend, Sanders campaign workers in Arizona were concerned that their voter information database may have been hacked. This database contained information from voter surveys, showing which specific voters were supporting which Sanders as opposed to Clinton. The final day, volunteers had to go out with paper lists because of the hacking problem. Were these extensive lists used to determine which voters would be removed from the voter roles? Adding to the confusion were the closing of 140 polling locations in Arizona's most populous County, limiting Maricopa residents to 60 polling place. The long lines favored the leisure class, particularly the top one-percenters, who are favoring Clinton, and disfavored the ninety-nine percenters who the Clinton team doesn't want voting. It is difficult to expect middle and lower class voters, most of whom backed Bernie Sanders, to take four or more hours off work to vote. Yet, videos show significant numbers of Sanders supporters did just that.

Writers for the Justice Gazette were in Phoenix on March 21st and conducted their own poll, which showed a probable victory for Bernie Sanders of at least 60 to 40%. Observers who have engaged in polling and speaking with Arizona voters, say "Impossible" and "Bull...t" to the official numbers which which supposedly include 100% of Maricopa County which had thousands of voters still standing in line with a likely four or more hours to wait as they were told that 100% of the Maricopa results were in and the county had already voted for Clinton. Voters who actually voted have expressed shock as they do not believe the results either. Even more in shock are those voters who continue to wait in long lines, hoping that they will be able to vote when they get to the front of the line. Even if more than a million Arizona voters were not allowed to vote for Sanders, the people of Arizona know he was their popular choice. The media cannot keep the people from talking to each other."
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1 million this says for vote supression in AZ (Original Post) bkkyosemite Mar 2016 OP
Jesus Christ. Punkingal Mar 2016 #1
This is criminal. eom Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #15
Just keep flinging the shit 72DejaVu Mar 2016 #2
Not me. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #4
Thanks 72DejaVu Mar 2016 #5
Let me elaborate: I'm an independent socialist-leaning progressive. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #11
No! It's party first! Don't think for yourself! Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #19
then why not find an ... artyteacher Mar 2016 #20
Perhaps you should be here longer than, say, five minutes before you appoint yourself hall monitor stranger81 Mar 2016 #22
Did you see the sign on the door when you came in? upaloopa Mar 2016 #28
More hall monitors. stranger81 Mar 2016 #31
This forum has always been open to "fellow travelers." Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #40
Well Put... Hillary Bears Complete Responsibility For Her reutation And Character...As This Incident CorporatistNation Mar 2016 #47
It never ends does it? workinclasszero Mar 2016 #24
We ARE the real democrats. pangaia Mar 2016 #30
What a disgusting piece of yellow journalism. sufrommich Mar 2016 #3
I took my own poll and 75% of the respondents support Hillary 72DejaVu Mar 2016 #9
bad kitty.... eom artyteacher Mar 2016 #21
From a cats point of view, I can see that thing on Trumps giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #33
This has reached a level where the federal government needs to become involved. CentralCoaster Mar 2016 #6
Thousands of voters are prevented from voting in caucuses and it's been going on for years. Agschmid Mar 2016 #16
Turnout was low by votes. There are a half million more people than 2008 in AZ, but 50K less votes EndElectoral Mar 2016 #7
#Berniemath #Berniefacts nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #8
Lulz. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #10
The polls for the Arizona primary have been running heavily in Hillary's favor for many months. Arkansas Granny Mar 2016 #12
Great post. grossproffit Mar 2016 #23
This is not about Bernie for me. Punkingal Mar 2016 #25
That's fine. I was only remarking that the votes cast for Hillary yesterday in Arizona Arkansas Granny Mar 2016 #29
Yep, I had no expectation other than Hillary winning AZ. Punkingal Mar 2016 #38
This would be hilarious if it wasn't so outlandishly fabricated Tarc Mar 2016 #13
It's ridiculous... Agschmid Mar 2016 #17
Hey that's a tie. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #35
If anybody watched the videos at the link Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #14
kick kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #27
I don't think the snark is coming from there. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #37
Such is the consequence of letting the GOP run the boards in midterms and state elections. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #39
Excuse me, I always vote. Always will. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #42
I use to be paranoid randr Mar 2016 #18
Who would do something like hack a voter database????? Gomez163 Mar 2016 #26
You mean the guy the DNC recommended? bobbobbins01 Mar 2016 #41
As usual . . . nothing will be done. snowy owl Mar 2016 #32
So, the campaign that hacked voter data got hacked itself? Karma, that old boomerang! CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #34
Keeping people waiting in lines 3 to 5 HOURS is outrageous and inhuman. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #43
I'm not OK with it. But it seems specious to be outraged after, when conditions were known before. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #44
That's blame-shifting to the victims, the voters. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #45
Sure KingFlorez Mar 2016 #36
This website should be named, "Lies for Bernie" CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #46
Kick for those who are now pretending that Sanders sufrommich Mar 2016 #48

72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)
2. Just keep flinging the shit
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:22 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie can't win, so his people are going to do everything they can to taint Hillary's nomination.

Then tell us that they were the "real Democrats" all along.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
4. Not me.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:27 AM
Mar 2016

Hillary herself is sufficient taint on Hillary's nomination...and I'm not a Democrat (well, once our primary's done and I can switch back to independent).

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
11. Let me elaborate: I'm an independent socialist-leaning progressive.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:31 AM
Mar 2016

Which should make it obvious why I reject Hillary Clinton...

stranger81

(2,345 posts)
22. Perhaps you should be here longer than, say, five minutes before you appoint yourself hall monitor
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:15 PM
Mar 2016

and decree who belongs on this board and who doesn't. Just a thought.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
28. Did you see the sign on the door when you came in?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:48 PM
Mar 2016

It says Democratic Underground not independent socialist underground

stranger81

(2,345 posts)
31. More hall monitors.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:52 PM
Mar 2016

You are not the arbiter of who a Democrat is, either. I though the centrist position was that the Democrats are the Big Tent party. Big enough for the center right, but not big enough for anyone to the left of Reagan?

I call bullshit.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
40. This forum has always been open to "fellow travelers."
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:06 PM
Mar 2016

If you want Skinner to change that, lobby him.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
47. Well Put... Hillary Bears Complete Responsibility For Her reutation And Character...As This Incident
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:35 PM
Mar 2016

is not in and of itself unique, her character and integrity can only continue to be called further into question. Her fault entirely.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
3. What a disgusting piece of yellow journalism.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:24 AM
Mar 2016

"Writers for the Justice Gazette were in Phoenix on March 21st and conducted their own poll, which showed a probable victory for Bernie Sanders of at least 60 to 40%"


Putrid bullshit.

72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)
9. I took my own poll and 75% of the respondents support Hillary
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:30 AM
Mar 2016

One of the cats has flipped to Trump. I can't believe that little bastard. No nip for him.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
33. From a cats point of view, I can see that thing on Trumps
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:56 PM
Mar 2016

head being quite a hard thing to pass up. Not to mention he tries very hard to be the same color as salmon.

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
6. This has reached a level where the federal government needs to become involved.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:28 AM
Mar 2016

I don't care if it's a D or an R, when even one voter is prevented from voting it is a national crime, a travesty, an embarrassment.

The impacts of the wrong person becoming POTUS are, literally, matters of life and death and with climate change could mean the end of humanity.

Trump or Cruz because we allowed our statewide voting to go to hell?

Seriously.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
16. Thousands of voters are prevented from voting in caucuses and it's been going on for years.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:37 PM
Mar 2016

...

Years.

Thousands of people.

No one seems to care until now (and they still don't seem to care about caucuses).

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
7. Turnout was low by votes. There are a half million more people than 2008 in AZ, but 50K less votes
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:28 AM
Mar 2016

for Dems in this year's primary compared to then.

Arkansas Granny

(31,484 posts)
12. The polls for the Arizona primary have been running heavily in Hillary's favor for many months.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:53 AM
Mar 2016
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/az/arizona_democratic_presidential_primary-5466.html

If anything, comparing the final results (57.8% to 39.7%), to previous polling data, one might think that Hillary got screwed in the election, since Bernie had never made it to the 30% mark before.

Arkansas Granny

(31,484 posts)
29. That's fine. I was only remarking that the votes cast for Hillary yesterday in Arizona
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:49 PM
Mar 2016

almost exactly matched her figures, percentage wise, as the polls taken over the past several months. The long lines at the polling places were unfortunate and something definitely needs to be done to alleviate the matter, but it doesn't seem that they worked to Hillary's advantage. She was expected to win the state anyway.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
38. Yep, I had no expectation other than Hillary winning AZ.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:58 PM
Mar 2016

And I have no doubt she lost votes, too, and it sucks. It pisses me off, no matter which candidate I support that someone doesn't get their vote counted,, or even get to vote.

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
13. This would be hilarious if it wasn't so outlandishly fabricated
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:19 AM
Mar 2016

2016: 330,806
Clinton: 205,455
Sanders: 125,351

2008: 422,627
Clinton: 229,501
Obama: 193,126

2004: 238.942
Kerry: 101,809
Clark: 63,256
Dean: 33,555
Edwards: 16,596
Lieberman: 15,906
others: 7,820

And some are claiming that one million voters were turned away, i.e Arizona saw a 3x increase in primarygoers?

Also that 60-40 claimed poll with no data and no methodology?

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
17. It's ridiculous...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:38 PM
Mar 2016

There was a post last night that said "1.2 million denied poll access in AZ".

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
14. If anybody watched the videos at the link
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:31 PM
Mar 2016

I don't see how snark and snide jokes could be made of this. Whoever is in charge of elections there needs to be 1) fired; and 2) investigated. It's an outrage, what the voters of AZ had to put up with yesterday, those conditions are inhuman.

Lines during the day:




Lines at night:



Registered Dem voters not on the voter lists:



And the HBO Documentary, "Hacking Democracy":
 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
37. I don't think the snark is coming from there.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:58 PM
Mar 2016

It's the it was only BS supporters that were effected bullshit that's funny.

 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
39. Such is the consequence of letting the GOP run the boards in midterms and state elections.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:58 PM
Mar 2016

Golly, it looks like sitting out all the elections because Obama didn't deliver the unicorn is coming back to haunt you.

The day of or day after an election is the wrong time to be asking about polling stations and registration.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
42. Excuse me, I always vote. Always will.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:18 PM
Mar 2016

I think the 2012 (and 2010) failure had more to do with a completely incompetent and corrupt head of the DNC (DINO Debbie), who the leader of the party failed to remove.

Notably, one of HRC's best buddies.

 

Gomez163

(2,039 posts)
26. Who would do something like hack a voter database?????
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:44 PM
Mar 2016

I'm sure Bernie's people would never do that.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
41. You mean the guy the DNC recommended?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:07 PM
Mar 2016

After Bernie fired him, the DNC probably shipped him off to AZ.

 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
34. So, the campaign that hacked voter data got hacked itself? Karma, that old boomerang!
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:56 PM
Mar 2016

Serves them right.

And with no evidence to back it up, there is no valid argument that Sanders got more voters. Here's the reality: Clinton DOMINATED among early voters, who have been casting ballots since February 24th. Once again, political novices didn't read up on the rules, didn't register in time, and now it's the "system's fault" that these people are so terrible and inept at democracy. Nothing we haven't heard and seen before.

 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
44. I'm not OK with it. But it seems specious to be outraged after, when conditions were known before.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:33 PM
Mar 2016
Early voting has been available in Arizona since February 28th. If the Sanders camp didn't educate their voters about their options, that is a failure of the Sanders campaign, not a conspiracy.

It's well past time to admit that Sanders' voters do not understand the primary election process as much as they pretend to, and that it's hurting Sanders in the long run.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
45. That's blame-shifting to the victims, the voters.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:58 PM
Mar 2016

This situation shouldn't be happening to any voters in America. And if Hillary and her camp are ok with it because it benefits her, then that is nothing short of reprehensible and anti-democratic.

That's like saying, oh you should've dodged around that body lying in the road better, instead of saying it shouldn't have been there and we need to go after whoever killed that guy.

Nobody, Dem or Repub, should have to stand in lines like that just to vote.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
46. This website should be named, "Lies for Bernie"
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:07 PM
Mar 2016

Did anyone bother to read the other BS articles on this website? They simply make things up for gullible fools to gobble up.

It's amazing what people will believe if they are predisposed to believe just about anything.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
48. Kick for those who are now pretending that Sanders
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:38 AM
Mar 2016

supporters didn't blame Hillary for the problems in Arizona. 45 recs says otherwise.

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