2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum1 million this says for vote supression in AZ
http://justicegazette.org/az-sanders-wins-real-vote-while-clinton-wins-rigged-count.html"Those who continued to wait in long lines late into the night to vote had to combat discouragement from a corporate media that kept telling their votes wouldn't matter as Clinton had already won.
What is odd is that those reporting they were denied the right to vote were primarily Sanders supporters. Last weekend, Sanders campaign workers in Arizona were concerned that their voter information database may have been hacked. This database contained information from voter surveys, showing which specific voters were supporting which Sanders as opposed to Clinton. The final day, volunteers had to go out with paper lists because of the hacking problem. Were these extensive lists used to determine which voters would be removed from the voter roles? Adding to the confusion were the closing of 140 polling locations in Arizona's most populous County, limiting Maricopa residents to 60 polling place. The long lines favored the leisure class, particularly the top one-percenters, who are favoring Clinton, and disfavored the ninety-nine percenters who the Clinton team doesn't want voting. It is difficult to expect middle and lower class voters, most of whom backed Bernie Sanders, to take four or more hours off work to vote. Yet, videos show significant numbers of Sanders supporters did just that.
Writers for the Justice Gazette were in Phoenix on March 21st and conducted their own poll, which showed a probable victory for Bernie Sanders of at least 60 to 40%. Observers who have engaged in polling and speaking with Arizona voters, say "Impossible" and "Bull...t" to the official numbers which which supposedly include 100% of Maricopa County which had thousands of voters still standing in line with a likely four or more hours to wait as they were told that 100% of the Maricopa results were in and the county had already voted for Clinton. Voters who actually voted have expressed shock as they do not believe the results either. Even more in shock are those voters who continue to wait in long lines, hoping that they will be able to vote when they get to the front of the line. Even if more than a million Arizona voters were not allowed to vote for Sanders, the people of Arizona know he was their popular choice. The media cannot keep the people from talking to each other."
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)This is awful.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)Bernie can't win, so his people are going to do everything they can to taint Hillary's nomination.
Then tell us that they were the "real Democrats" all along.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Hillary herself is sufficient taint on Hillary's nomination...and I'm not a Democrat (well, once our primary's done and I can switch back to independent).
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)But you didn't have to tell me you weren't a Democrat.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Which should make it obvious why I reject Hillary Clinton...
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)artyteacher
(598 posts)independent socialist-leaning forum instead of a Democratic forum.
stranger81
(2,345 posts)and decree who belongs on this board and who doesn't. Just a thought.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)It says Democratic Underground not independent socialist underground
stranger81
(2,345 posts)You are not the arbiter of who a Democrat is, either. I though the centrist position was that the Democrats are the Big Tent party. Big enough for the center right, but not big enough for anyone to the left of Reagan?
I call bullshit.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)If you want Skinner to change that, lobby him.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)is not in and of itself unique, her character and integrity can only continue to be called further into question. Her fault entirely.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)"Writers for the Justice Gazette were in Phoenix on March 21st and conducted their own poll, which showed a probable victory for Bernie Sanders of at least 60 to 40%"
Putrid bullshit.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)One of the cats has flipped to Trump. I can't believe that little bastard. No nip for him.
artyteacher
(598 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)head being quite a hard thing to pass up. Not to mention he tries very hard to be the same color as salmon.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)I don't care if it's a D or an R, when even one voter is prevented from voting it is a national crime, a travesty, an embarrassment.
The impacts of the wrong person becoming POTUS are, literally, matters of life and death and with climate change could mean the end of humanity.
Trump or Cruz because we allowed our statewide voting to go to hell?
Seriously.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)...
Years.
Thousands of people.
No one seems to care until now (and they still don't seem to care about caucuses).
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)for Dems in this year's primary compared to then.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,484 posts)If anything, comparing the final results (57.8% to 39.7%), to previous polling data, one might think that Hillary got screwed in the election, since Bernie had never made it to the 30% mark before.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)It is about voters, and democracy.
Arkansas Granny
(31,484 posts)almost exactly matched her figures, percentage wise, as the polls taken over the past several months. The long lines at the polling places were unfortunate and something definitely needs to be done to alleviate the matter, but it doesn't seem that they worked to Hillary's advantage. She was expected to win the state anyway.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)And I have no doubt she lost votes, too, and it sucks. It pisses me off, no matter which candidate I support that someone doesn't get their vote counted,, or even get to vote.
Tarc
(10,472 posts)2016: 330,806
Clinton: 205,455
Sanders: 125,351
2008: 422,627
Clinton: 229,501
Obama: 193,126
2004: 238.942
Kerry: 101,809
Clark: 63,256
Dean: 33,555
Edwards: 16,596
Lieberman: 15,906
others: 7,820
And some are claiming that one million voters were turned away, i.e Arizona saw a 3x increase in primarygoers?
Also that 60-40 claimed poll with no data and no methodology?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)There was a post last night that said "1.2 million denied poll access in AZ".
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)I don't see how snark and snide jokes could be made of this. Whoever is in charge of elections there needs to be 1) fired; and 2) investigated. It's an outrage, what the voters of AZ had to put up with yesterday, those conditions are inhuman.
Lines during the day:
Lines at night:
Registered Dem voters not on the voter lists:
And the HBO Documentary, "Hacking Democracy":
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)It's the it was only BS supporters that were effected bullshit that's funny.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)Golly, it looks like sitting out all the elections because Obama didn't deliver the unicorn is coming back to haunt you.
The day of or day after an election is the wrong time to be asking about polling stations and registration.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)I think the 2012 (and 2010) failure had more to do with a completely incompetent and corrupt head of the DNC (DINO Debbie), who the leader of the party failed to remove.
Notably, one of HRC's best buddies.
randr
(12,408 posts)Then Bush won and I became a believer.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)I'm sure Bernie's people would never do that.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)After Bernie fired him, the DNC probably shipped him off to AZ.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)it happens every election cycle.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)Serves them right.
And with no evidence to back it up, there is no valid argument that Sanders got more voters. Here's the reality: Clinton DOMINATED among early voters, who have been casting ballots since February 24th. Once again, political novices didn't read up on the rules, didn't register in time, and now it's the "system's fault" that these people are so terrible and inept at democracy. Nothing we haven't heard and seen before.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Nobody should be ok with that.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)It's well past time to admit that Sanders' voters do not understand the primary election process as much as they pretend to, and that it's hurting Sanders in the long run.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)This situation shouldn't be happening to any voters in America. And if Hillary and her camp are ok with it because it benefits her, then that is nothing short of reprehensible and anti-democratic.
That's like saying, oh you should've dodged around that body lying in the road better, instead of saying it shouldn't have been there and we need to go after whoever killed that guy.
Nobody, Dem or Repub, should have to stand in lines like that just to vote.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Did anyone bother to read the other BS articles on this website? They simply make things up for gullible fools to gobble up.
It's amazing what people will believe if they are predisposed to believe just about anything.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)supporters didn't blame Hillary for the problems in Arizona. 45 recs says otherwise.