2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumApparently voter suppression is A-OK if your candidate wins.
That's what we're getting from the Hillary camp, as they ridicule those who say that something fishy happened in AZ last night.
We've known voter suppression is a problem in this country; the GOP has made no attempt to hide their desire to disenfranchise voters in the states they control. The Supreme Court even helped them out last year. We also have evidence that votes can be manipulated via windows-based voting machine software. The attempt to rig elections in a variety of ways has been going on for a long time and Hillary's campaign has been able to exploit the infrastructure and laws that are in place.
If Hillary is the nominee, I don't want to hear her supporters cry foul during the GE when the tables are turned. Not a peep.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)... sound like a cruel joke.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Response to Avalux (Reply #4)
uponit7771 This message was self-deleted by its author.
frylock
(34,825 posts)They'll be presented to all the whiny sore losers when their candidate is effected by election fraud.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)They're not very deep thinkers.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)in Utah last night?
Speaking of hypocrisy ...
polichick
(37,152 posts)Blind allegiance is just that - BLIND.
Gothmog
(144,919 posts)Even with early voting in Texas, we had people waiting 2 hours to vote at both of the polling locations where my two daughters were serving as election judges. Most of the problems described are due to the fact that Arizona is under GOP control and the GOP wants to make it hard to vote.
This week, Marc Elias, Hillary Clinton's top election law lawyer, argued a case on racial gerrymandering of Virginia's congressional district before the SCOTUS. Marc is also suing Ohio and North Carolina on various voter suppression tricks being used. In Texas we are suing on voter id, redistricting and compliance with the Motor Voter law. There has been calls for the Clinton volunteer lawyer group on voter protection and I understand that more lawsuits may be filed.
Stopping voter suppression is not easy. People are working on it. I worked on a program in 2014 that helped a couple of hundred voters get voter ids but that program had no funding and a couple of hundred voters is a drop in the ocean considering that at least 600,000 registered voters and 1.3 million eligible voters lack the required ids.
If you want to help, please volunteer. While I like posting on DU, I find it more rewarding to work in the real world on these issues.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Would you send me info on the lawsuit filed here in Texas? I'd appreciate it.
Thanks for your thoughful post.
Gothmog
(144,919 posts)The latest is the Texas Civil Rights Association lawsuit on mother voter. Mimi used to head up voter protection at Battleground Texas has been working on this for a while http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-sued-over-voter-registration-policies-n538176 Chad Dunn is one of the lead attorneys in both the Voter id and redistricting lawsuits. Here is a link to all of the briefs and filings in the voter id case http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/VeaseyV.Perry.php Here is a link to the filings and briefs in the Texas redistricting case http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/PerezVTexas.php
If you want to volunteer for voter protection, I can post a link or PM you with a link to the Victory Counsel program
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Thank you - I am definitely interested in volunteering.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Pisces
(5,599 posts)it was a closed primary that is because they were first time Independent voters. This was not a new rule. Sorry the
campaigns were lax in letting their voters in on the rules. Nobody got cheated.
The only issue would be the the cutting down of 200 polling sites to 60. That was boneheaded.
frylock
(34,825 posts)They confirmed that their party preference had been changed from the SoS website. When they arrived to the polls, some people discovered that their status had not been changed, or changed to Republican rather than Democrat.
Pisces
(5,599 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Yes, by all means, continue to blame the voters. GOTV! can't wait for this to happen again in November. Reap the whirlwind.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)It's a calculated effort to reduce turnout. Republicans pull this crap when they are in charge and where it mostly affects Democrats.
But that said, I don't believe they should ever close the polls or declare a winner until everyone in line has voted; I don't care who they vote for or how long that takes.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)Seems to be the go to option when trying to cover something up now. Stifle discussion, it just might go away.
Hereiam2005
(23 posts)Elections in Arizona are governed by the county recorder, who determines how many polling places are actually open on Election Day.
The recorder in Pima County, which houses Tucson, had twice as many polling locations open than in Maricopa County. And Pima County is roughly one-third the size of Maricopa County.
Maricopa County Recorder Helen Purcell was responsible for the reduction in polling places in 2016, justifying it by saying turnout was traditionally low, so the solution was to reduce the number of places where citizens could cast their vote.
http://usuncut.com/politics/5-examples-voter-suppression-arizona-primary/
And surprise: Helen Purcell is a Republican.
http://recorder.maricopa.gov/recorder/
There are voter suppression, sure. The DNC has nothing to do with it though.
The only way to fix it is to elect a Democrat in November.
Unless you just want to throw tantrums at whoever nearest to you whenever something doesn't go your way.
jmousso75
(71 posts)Voter suppression isn't good for anyone, democrat or republican. That makes us no better than a banana republic. Hillary's silence says a lot..........I'm so disappointed in the democratic party ......they should have been all over this Arizona thing...........I guess as long as Hillary's voters can vote...
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Many have said there were major issues yesterday. We just find the hyperbole that Sanders supporters were intentionally disenfranchised by the HRC campaign ludicrous.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)It's another example of how SOME, i.e., a certain segment of DU, translation what they interpret from the inference of what someone else said.
Example: "Sanders' economic primacy misses with the mainstream of the Black electorate, which places a higher priority on social equality."
"No, it doesn't. Bernie says, and I agree, economic equality will lead to social equality."
"Well, That may be Bernie's belief; but, that has not been my experience. My experience has it that putting more money in my pocket, does nothing to bring me closer to social equality."
"Why are you calling Bernie a racist?"
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)really are.
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)That somehow, Hillary Clinton conspired with the republican legislature and governor...two entities that absolutely hate her to screw Sanders.
Arizona should be an issue because McCain is weak in the fall. Not because Bernie supporters think they got screwed.