and if the unthinkable happens and HillDon ClinTrump Wins I say bye bye Dem and hello new party of the people.

to stay in the senate. I'm disgusted by what the party has become.

It makes me very sad to see a good man attacked this way. He would never dream, himself, of hurting another like this, or even think of it.

These kind of responses here just show the hateful win and preserve the status quo at all cost mentality. They have no empathy of understanding or the real suffering of millions. It's all about keeping their own lives safe from change, imo.

The conflation of Sanders and Hitler was yesterday. The antisemitic and holocaust denial website source and conspiracy theory OP was in December. Got a lot of DUrec from HRC supporters and heavily defended. I actually took a break for the month of December because of it and I am still bitter over it. It was beyond disgusting.

for "Stockholm Syndrome" part 2, maybe I just missed it.

I did not see the "Stockholm syndrome" OP nor would I have recorded it nor do I think it was appropriate. In fact, those type of comments are disgusting.
That being said, are you attempting to justify personal attacks on a candidate, that are beyond the pale, based on the behavior of others?

supporters have been far more despicable than Hillary supporters. It's not just a few bad apples. It's at least 70 bad apples. Another example: you don't see a lot of links to right-wing press attacking Bernie, but that's a daily occurrence attacking Hillary.

You post appears to create justification for these type of post against Sanders.
The right-wing source meme is tiresome. Often what people call a "right-wing source" can vary dramatically from person to person. I will grant you that some are obvious while others depends on what they are saying. If it supports HRC, it's good, if not it's a "right wing source".
I stay away from the obvious ones but otherwise I don't play the "source" game.

On the other hand, you are justifying the use of right-wing sources. And doing it quite explicitly. Yesterday there was an article by Charles Gasparino from FOX arguing that if not for Obama's "hacks" that Clinton would be indicted -- all based on unnamed sources. Today we have a link to a press release (not even a news article) from Judicial Watch, the right-wing group, about Benghazi. And an editorial from the right-wing Investors Business Daily, which rose to notoriety when they claimed that Stephen Hawking would have died if he lived in the UK because of the single payer system (he's British).

No, it doesn't "vary from person to person" whether IBD, Gasparino, and Judicial Watch are right-wing sources. And, no, it's not good if it supports HRC, but HRC supporters don't post such things, because we're not hoping that a right-wing witch hunt will take Bernie down, which is what a large number of anti-HRC people are doubt.

Sorry, the "both sides" narrative is nonsense. There are far more right-wing sources and smears posted by Bernie supporters. That's a simple fact. I don't need to go digging into ancient history to find them, they pop up every day.

I said I stay away from obvious sources.
To your examples:
I would not use FauxNews as a source but you called out a person by name. Unless they are a better known name like Hannity or Limbaugh or something I would not know them or even pay attention. I'm posting on a web blog not writing a thesis paper, not vetting every source, every time. I would not use JW or Daily Caller or other rags from known right-wing sources.
Where you are wrong is that, with some websites and news resources, it does vary from person to person.
I have literally seen almost every source I aware of called "right-wing" at one point or the other or parsed out "this reporter is ok at that site, this one is not". Seriously, every source from Huffington Post to The Hill from the Seattle Times to the New York Times.

At the end of the day, any criticism of Clinton not seated in fact or specific to a existing policy or position is unnecessary.
Any statement, like the "Stockholm syndrome" OP is disgusting is wrong.
Interestingly, I've already said that but you, so far, have failed to call out the horrible things said to Sanders as wrong.

Maybe that's because it's not your candidate that was smeared with two right-wing articles here today, and two different right-wing articles yesterday.

Thank you for not using right-wing sources.

About those I cited. First of all, when you find something that sounds very right wing, like attacks on Hillary about Benghazi, even if it's a source you don't know, it takes two seconds to google. Furthermore the Gasparino article was in the NYPost, which anyone should know is right-wing.

You're right, sometimes it varies from person to person. This is another strategy that Hillary bashers here use. They post an article by a right-winger and instead of naming him/her, pretend it comes from, say, "Washington Post." This also happened yesterday (or the day before), with an Ed Rogers article.

I'm sorry that this is tiresome for you, and thank you for not participating, but GDP is literally crawling with right-wing sourced articles against Hillary (and not vice-versa).

No idea what else is there, and I'm not clicking, but this is the kind of crap that gets hurled at Hillary all day long by Bernie supporters here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511562203

They have also targeted Obama with slurs masquerading as "critiques" repeatedly.

It's never okay to say these things, even about the other side. It is undignified and juvenile.

That said, others accuse all of us BS'ers of being associated with the Bernie Bros. and we aren't.

Take the high road; the view up here is nice.

Yup. Exactly. Its all a game to these people and there are no rules, only winning.

The anti-semitism is just as predictable as the "Bernie Bros" and they were just a recycling of 2008's "Obama Boys." I expect to see pictures of Sanders in a yamulka and shawl, just like 2008's pictures of Obama in African garb.

Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it, and make themselves look like assholes in the process.

"Nothing is true, everything is permitted".

It's war they want; they've sewn the dragon's teeth of hatred and division and wonder why a dragon's sitting in their front yard preparing to torch their house.

... under any circumstance (well perhaps in the rare instance being held up for mocking derision). Anti-Semitism, like racism, homophobia, misogyny, xenophobia should NEVER be tolerated by anyone here ... and we do have the power to alert and to vote when we are on juries to hide these posts.

This "eye for an eye" discourse has left DU blind. If one person (or group) says or posts offensive or bigoted thoughts ... it should not open the door to anything and everything.

The only place where we differ, is the issue of age, I do believe it is a legitimate issue for discussion (its not directly related to Sanders, or to Clinton who is only 4-5 years younger) ... The issue of the lower end of the age discussion is enshrined in our constitution and we as a country lived through the Reagan presidency. Additionally, age may come in if we want to discuss a second term in office.

With respect to the incident in December, I did alert and it stood. The whole thing was so disturbing that I left for a month in protest. Even though I have come back I am still unsure I will stay. I've been here 10 years and have never seen it like this.

I responded the same way you did .... I stayed away from DU for a while.... after that I decided to engage more actively with DU to see if that made a difference.

I alert on bigoted posts and when I serve on juries I vote to hide bigotry regardless who is the offending poster or who the bigotry is aimed at. I volunteered to be a main forum host .... where I learned that hosts can't hide for horrible sources anywhere except LBN .... sadly, in GD, GDP, V&M, etc if a jury votes to leave it there is nothing a main forum host can do.

If bigoted post or links to far right or hate sites are used (for anything but derision), alert it to the admins. Let the admins know .... you have to provide links and examples because DU is a big site with lots of forums, sub forums and groups the admins may or may not be able to find what you are talking about.

Confront (not nastily or rudely) people posting or linking to hate sites, bigoted sites, right wing sites ... do it every time you see it ... whether its for or against your candidate or cause ....do it every time you see it....every time it goes unchecked it diminishes DU.

I can commiserate with your anger an pain over this. The more of us that speak out against this garbage the less likely it is to be posted..

I have been looking and looking for it....?

But it stood for a good while:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141386833

.... really aren't many (any hosts around).

At least it was addressed (locked) and most if not all people responding were disgusted by Jim Baker

I am hoping people just stop and think about what they are posting

The post had no value, was not LBN and the subtext was obvious.

I wouldn't mind hosting but election season is busy for me and as I stated earlier, still deciding if there is enough reason to stay. Conversations like this at least let me know there are good and decent people still on this site.

.... at least until after the primaries. GD can still be interesting and so can the lounge.

I have been here for over 11 years ... I get frustrated sometimes , but never leave Hoping you can find a way to make DU work for you, too!!!!

I'll never believe that 2 + 2 can ever equal anything more than 4. Which is the same Inner Party math they try with every iota of mental gymnastics they can muster to prove.

Hillary that is derogatory and labels it fact. Then says they are discussing policy. Then they have the gall to ask, "Why don't Hillary supporters want to discuss policy."

Don't misrepresent what goes on here as discussion of the issues.

That is unacceptable.