2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDid Hillary Clinton steal Arizona?
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Agschmid
(28,749 posts)The republicans did/will.
And she called it out over a year ago.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/06/hillary_clinton_speaks_out_on_voting_rights_the_democratic_frontrunner_condemns.html
AzDar
(14,023 posts)made a statement denouncing AZ for yesterday's third-world clusterfuck?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Because in many of those states people aren't even allowed to vote at all.
The whole system is broken.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)That sort of (passive aggressively) answers my question too.
Goes both ways.
still_one
(92,062 posts)In addition, Congress needs to pass legislation where any media outlet that reports result while people are still voting, needs to be penalized heavily
jillan
(39,451 posts)randr
(12,409 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,396 posts)Blame the apparent victims?
randr
(12,409 posts)you are not a victim, you are complicit.
Blame all around, systemically.
jillan
(39,451 posts)reports of disenfranchisement being taken.
We need more than 12 hours to fight back.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)If we do nothing.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)What happened last night is what happens when you let Republicans run elections and let a Supreme Court dominated by Republican appointees decide the fate of the VRA.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)It may well have helped Hillary, but I don't believe her campaign or the AZ Democratic Party had anything to do with it.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)PCPrincess
(68 posts)Didn't the issue of voters registered as democrats and showing up to find they were now registered as 'none' happen in Florida as well? So, now its the governments of Florida and Arizona?
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)Honestly, how many here could afford to spend 3 to 4 hours in a line?
Jobs to go to, kids waiting at day care, elderly parents to take care of.....
What they hell America? Just WTF??
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)we're un-informed voters.
Lack of information, severe lack of places to vote, college students denied
Come on, Cali. We all get it. Nothing new, it has been going on for years now.
See Greg Palast or visit bradblog.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)Instead of get out the vote, more like don't bother, "I've got this".
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)It's so hard to keep the BS talking points straight.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)So how does their not voting benefit Hillary?
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)Via caucuses? If the definition of suppression Is spending hours in line to vote, every caucus is guilty.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)stolen elections are usually close enough to be MoE in an opinion poll (FL 2000, etc.)
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)There are way too many people(indies?) who said they registered, in a timely fashion and according to Az. election laws as Democrats only to find out when it was time to vote, that they did not qualify to vote. Some of them have proof.
Not sure of the GOPs numbers to know if this Charlie Foxtrot effected their voters.
Clear evidence of voter suppression if one can go by the voters' information, 60 polling places instead of 200 and any other abnormalities.
That MSM called the election on just early voting returns while voters were still standing in hours long lines at the polls seems like evidence of election fraud or more suppression.
I think the total of 1.2 million(?) were disenfranchised.
Who could possibly benefit from that nonsense.......in a presidential pic (or primary? )
I feel confident to say that our elections are lacking in intergity.
Who benefits? Spin the wheel.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)I'm sure there were plenty of voters for both Hillary and Bernie that got screwed last night.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)LOL
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,767 posts)7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)...polls leading up to the contest suggested Clinton would win the state easily. Also, it was pointed out at 538 that the results - in primaries - in Arizona more or less mirror the results in Florida, historically-speaking (and Clinton also won Florida by a wide margin). So, the results were in line with what was expected.
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)....there was voter suppression.
I do not believe the Hillary campaign had anything to do with it.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Do I think she specifically had a hand in it? Probably not. Do I think there was voter suppression that helped her an hurt Bernie? Absolutely. Do I think it was done purposefully to aid her campaign...more than likely. I think the important question is did Arizona act in corroboration with the Clinton Campaign if not Clinton directly to facilitate this...we'll probably never know the answer to that, and I wouldn't even begin to speculate.
brooklynite
(94,384 posts)"Do I think it was done purposefully to aid her campaign...more than likely"
Don't stop now...
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)I said I believe it was done to help her campaign, but I wouldn't speculate on if/how much of a hand her campaign had in it. Groups can help other groups without their tacit approval or input.
Don't stop now...purposefully misinterpret me more!
Bad Thoughts
(2,514 posts)Count every vote.