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arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:41 PM Mar 2016

Privilege is what allows some Bernie supporters to say they will never back HRC

NEVER TRUMP
Privilege is what allows Sanders supporters to say they’ll “never” vote for Clinton
Melissa Hillman March 22, 2016

The latest installment of “The Internet Explodes with Hatred for Hillary Clinton” happened earlier this month. The Democratic presidential candidate, whose own record on AIDS research and funding is better than any other candidate, mistakenly said that former US first lady Nancy Reagan was a key supporter of AIDS research. Reagan was, in reality, horrible about AIDS in every possible way. Clinton immediately apologized, then apologized again, at length. Yet we’re still seeing a wagonload of “I’ll never vote for her” claims from progressives, as if her words about Reagan trump–and I’m using that verb deliberately–her actual record on AIDS research and funding. Why?
Clinton’s stellar record on AIDS is ignored while people indignantly attack her for making an inaccurate statement. I like Bernie Sanders. I really do feel the Bern. But I see Democrats brush aside things that he and other male politicians have done while raining fire on Hillary for the exact same thing–or something much less.
This happens all the time. Clinton is flamed for being a “career politician” and an “insider” when Sanders has been in political office much longer than she has. (Clinton was first elected to political office in 2000; Sanders was elected to his first office in 1981 and his first national office in 1991.) People flame Clinton for speaking in favor of the omnibus crime bill in the 1990s when she was first lady, a position with no political power. But Sanders, as a member of Congress, actually had the power to enact it into law, voting in favor of it despite the fact that many of his colleagues did not.

http://qz.com/644985/privilege-is-what-allows-sanders-supporters-to-say-theyll-never-vote-for-clinton/

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Privilege is what allows some Bernie supporters to say they will never back HRC (Original Post) arely staircase Mar 2016 OP
Which is something.... daleanime Mar 2016 #1
I read your headline and skipper the post NowSam Mar 2016 #2
I didn't write the headline. arely staircase Mar 2016 #3
you don't write the subject line for your own op? NowSam Mar 2016 #4
It is the headline from the story. arely staircase Mar 2016 #19
I've seen that statement about privilege too often lately NowSam Mar 2016 #68
Which set of ethics supports rounding up millions of Latino's and Muslims? Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #96
i am a FDR Democrat. poor, white, middle aged woman for Bernie Viva_La_Revolution Mar 2016 #5
Poor, white, old woman FOR Bernie. 840high Mar 2016 #34
I think he means in the General election but I feel like it's generally true of the primary too... shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #70
well I voted mercuryblues Mar 2016 #122
Hillary doesn't in fact have a stellar record on the issue of AIDS Kalidurga Mar 2016 #6
They will never allow facts to get in the way of their Third-Way narrative. n/t Chan790 Mar 2016 #139
Privilege has nothing to do with it. bobbobbins01 Mar 2016 #7
This. astrophuss42 Mar 2016 #10
Fucking A !!!!! SamKnause Mar 2016 #48
+1000000. Thank you for this. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #49
+2. closeupready Mar 2016 #51
Just another way to pretend opposition to Clinton is about something other than policy. arcane1 Mar 2016 #59
Amen!! janlea Mar 2016 #61
They seem to be in some mental bubble and can't comprehend anything but "ME" pdsimdars Mar 2016 #65
BULLLLLLLLL FUCKIN SHIT IF IT DON'T !!! You can afford to cut your nose off to spite your face... uponit7771 Mar 2016 #76
When one posts a story...it's theirs...for or against. Another poor, white libdem4life Mar 2016 #79
+3 bobthedrummer Mar 2016 #99
Well that's putting it plainly and simply senz Mar 2016 #117
A little birdie flew by and it said to me: To the naughty list with him!!!!! desmiller Mar 2016 #127
Privilege -1 google....n/t blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #133
Not backing the monied elites is 'priviledge'? HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #8
Privilege DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #15
Yes, that special right is granted by the constitution whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #20
My remark is more directed to the quoting of privilege in scare quotes when it was spelled right./nt DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #23
Ooh. Privileged AND snooty! dchill Mar 2016 #63
+1, lol. Zing! closeupready Mar 2016 #80
No. Deciding you can do well in a Trump presidency is privilege. hack89 Mar 2016 #21
A) I won't do well in a Clinton presidency. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #28
Ballots are black and white hack89 Mar 2016 #35
You aren't getting it. SHE DOES WORSE THAN BERNIE AGAINST TRUMP. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #67
But she will be the nominee hack89 Mar 2016 #82
So your premise is revbones Mar 2016 #105
She's not a Democrat, she's a Republican invader. Chan790 Mar 2016 #142
I suppose immediate self interest drives some people Fairgo Mar 2016 #106
Exactly. Mike__M Mar 2016 #129
True. Voice for Peace Mar 2016 #40
Since Trump will never be president, saying "Vote for Clinton, she's not Trump" isn't working. arcane1 Mar 2016 #60
You are in fantasy land . . . your FLAWED assumption is that Hillary can win. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #66
Yet the majority of Democrats have decided otherwise hack89 Mar 2016 #83
Either way, my family will suffer. Half-Century Man Mar 2016 #73
Life sometimes doesn't present clear cut, black and white choices. hack89 Mar 2016 #85
Your assumptions guarantee your conclusion Fairgo Mar 2016 #107
Right. Because I come to a different conclusion than you hack89 Mar 2016 #118
In this case your logic is simplistic Fairgo Mar 2016 #119
ok. nt. hack89 Mar 2016 #121
I'll do fantastically well in a Trump Presidency... Chan790 Mar 2016 #140
I think Privilege is when you can afford to buy access to politicians Autumn Mar 2016 #9
When her supporters overlook all that, THAT'S privilege, too. closeupready Mar 2016 #26
Bernie seems to burn through a lot more money than Clinton. kjones Mar 2016 #36
Nice try Autumn Mar 2016 #37
Vague and uninformative. Care to elaborate, or did you just give up? kjones Mar 2016 #41
No, with some people I just don't bother with a discussion. nt Autumn Mar 2016 #43
+1. They aren't responding to arguments made in good faith, so closeupready Mar 2016 #50
Exactly. Autumn Mar 2016 #53
Bernie is sharing a lot more money downticket than Hillary Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #95
Whoa, take it easy TrueDemVA Mar 2016 #103
Did you also see to whom and when the $ was given? Tells a different story. spooky3 Mar 2016 #115
I'm curious, I see candidates on the site she gave to our of the 6k... blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #135
Ever hear of the Arkansas poison blood scandal? Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #11
The Clinton's record on AIDS was terrible. GW's record is far better. Vattel Mar 2016 #12
welcome to ignore. Hiraeth Mar 2016 #13
More from the article that I found interesting. Arkansas Granny Mar 2016 #14
Now we're going back to Kerry and Gore? k8conant Mar 2016 #42
"Privilege" joins Ponies in the meaningless and stupid cliche pile Armstead Mar 2016 #16
It's a Libertarian outlook because it's all about ME! ME! ME! randome Mar 2016 #17
yes, of course socialism = libertarianism! TheSarcastinator Mar 2016 #27
Wrongo...It's about "we" Armstead Mar 2016 #29
DU is only anecdotal, of course. randome Mar 2016 #39
Having survived numerous GOP presidencies, I don't fall intio that camp Armstead Mar 2016 #54
So you're a libertarian because you refuse to accept the fact that Bernie is the most electable pdsimdars Mar 2016 #71
Bernie represents people who do not live a life of privilege. mmonk Mar 2016 #18
Exactly loyalsister Mar 2016 #90
K & R. Thanks for posting. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #22
Misleading headline, IMO. Here is the original article, different headline: CentralCoaster Mar 2016 #24
And thank you . . . . . always nice to catch them in their disinformation pdsimdars Mar 2016 #72
What allows Hillary's supporters to ignore her flaws ... privilege. closeupready Mar 2016 #25
Right to the point! pdsimdars Mar 2016 #74
Wtf? Rebkeh Mar 2016 #30
The opposite is true Rebkeh Mar 2016 #44
Great post. eom jonestonesusa Mar 2016 #124
3 months ago called. It wants it's editorial headline back. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #31
It wasn't a mistake, it was pig ignorance. PeteSelman Mar 2016 #32
she absolutely knew she was lying! Viva_La_Revolution Mar 2016 #75
epic kick Blue_Tires Mar 2016 #33
Privilege is what allows HRC supporters PoliticalPothead Mar 2016 #38
WOW!!! That nails it. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #77
+1 coyote Mar 2016 #84
It's my privelege to vote for whomever I think is the most progressive candidate. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #45
What bull. Punkingal Mar 2016 #46
Bullshit. SamKnause Mar 2016 #47
Says some anonymous idiotic nobody from the Internet. Clickety Click. berni_mccoy Mar 2016 #52
Absolutely and just another example when the democratic base says they are not being addressed, seabeyond Mar 2016 #55
Fuck that Politicalboi Mar 2016 #56
The reason I won't vote for her has nothing to do with her average record on AIDS basselope Mar 2016 #57
Actually climate change is what compels a lot of people I talk to riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #58
Actually voting for Clinton shows privilege Doctor_J Mar 2016 #62
Just the OPPOSITE pdsimdars Mar 2016 #64
Privilege is being paid a quarter of a million dollars for a single speech. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #69
I have read some GREAT responses but your has to be one of the best if not the best pdsimdars Mar 2016 #78
I concur with Poster 78. n/t libdem4life Mar 2016 #81
Morality: Now called "Privilege" Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #86
Privilege is what allows pundits to bloviate about politicians. blackspade Mar 2016 #87
when you say "privilege," I think you mean "ideology" Vote2016 Mar 2016 #88
People of color have a lot more to lose if a GOPer is elected. NT arely staircase Mar 2016 #93
color has nothing to do with it. plenty of PoC will fight for what they believe in rather than Vote2016 Mar 2016 #94
Indeed Mike__M Mar 2016 #130
Oh well. frylock Mar 2016 #89
"Mistakenly said" Hatchling Mar 2016 #91
In what world does Hillary have a stellar record on AIDS? Avalux Mar 2016 #92
sure, uh... okay.. dana_b Mar 2016 #97
Yeah, keep shiting on poor white people, that's how you win elections! Odin2005 Mar 2016 #98
Privilege is living in the US and not worrying about getting bombed, cpwm17 Mar 2016 #100
I love being lectured about my 'privilege' from a well-to-do white woman with a Marr Mar 2016 #101
Nonsense. nt ladjf Mar 2016 #102
Priviledge ROFL bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #104
After the convention we'll definitely find out who the real dems are around here Blue_Tires Mar 2016 #108
Yep, if Hill wins the true dems will be gone and if Bernie wins senz Mar 2016 #116
And then there's the people like me Blue_Tires Mar 2016 #136
The best course of action, according to Thom Hartmann, senz Mar 2016 #137
"infiltrate"?? Blue_Tires Mar 2016 #138
Meaning become active, get leadership positions, weigh in on important decisions and steer it left. senz Mar 2016 #144
ok, I get your point Blue_Tires Mar 2016 #145
Yes, you're right. senz Mar 2016 #146
Why are you chancing a Trump presidency by backing Hillary? Privilege? Broward Mar 2016 #109
Clinton will do a lot.... MellowDem Mar 2016 #110
HILLARY = PRIVILEGE senz Mar 2016 #111
DU rec...nt SidDithers Mar 2016 #112
DU rec...nt SidDithers Mar 2016 #113
Call it what you wish, Hillary will not get my vote. End of story. ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #114
Ridiculous jpb33 Mar 2016 #120
BULL! LiberalElite Mar 2016 #123
principles, not privilege amborin Mar 2016 #125
K&R RandySF Mar 2016 #126
Privilege is not being able to accept the truth about your candidate. DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #128
That's right Meteor Man Mar 2016 #131
Thank you, thank you, thank you for helping grow my IGNORE list Impedimentus Mar 2016 #132
K&R Jamaal510 Mar 2016 #134
So true Bobbie Jo Mar 2016 #141
I think it's more like nothing to lose. Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #143
I'm so tired of hearing this, I'll just accept it. I'm privileged. Bring me a sandwich. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #147

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
2. I read your headline and skipper the post
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:42 PM
Mar 2016

I think it is ethics and morals that distinguish us Bernie supporters.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
4. you don't write the subject line for your own op?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:48 PM
Mar 2016

Than I apologise. my remarks go to whoever wrote that subject line.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
68. I've seen that statement about privilege too often lately
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:48 PM
Mar 2016

and so I didn't go further. My apologies. I consider my vote my right and not a privilege. I will read your post when I have a moment. Thanks.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
5. i am a FDR Democrat. poor, white, middle aged woman for Bernie
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:50 PM
Mar 2016

I will vote FOR a candidate for the first time in my whole life.

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
70. I think he means in the General election but I feel like it's generally true of the primary too...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:53 PM
Mar 2016

with many exceptions, like yourself. Who no, clearly are not privileged. But many young college students from middle class families are.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
6. Hillary doesn't in fact have a stellar record on the issue of AIDS
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:51 PM
Mar 2016

She was on the front lines when blood mining was done in Arkansas and not a peep out of her condemning the practice that led to AIDS contaminating the blood supply for accident victims and hemophiliacs.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
7. Privilege has nothing to do with it.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:52 PM
Mar 2016

You know nothing about my life and what troubles I face. I find this post incredibly insulting and demeaning. Any time you want to talk about privilege and why my vote will not go to her, I'll be happy to enlighten you. My choice comes from a place of pain and having a wolf in sheep's clothing pretend they're fighting for me while stabbing me in the back.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
59. Just another way to pretend opposition to Clinton is about something other than policy.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:26 PM
Mar 2016

They're one small step away from giving up and saying "Only sexist, racist assholes would prefer someone other than Hillary!"

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
76. BULLLLLLLLL FUCKIN SHIT IF IT DON'T !!! You can afford to cut your nose off to spite your face...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:03 PM
Mar 2016

... the people with only half a nose to begin with can't afford that

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
79. When one posts a story...it's theirs...for or against. Another poor, white
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:14 PM
Mar 2016

Boomer woman who stayed home to raise my son rather than take that second career.

Besides, she flip flops a lot...who knows what she really believes...other than she's going to be the first woman president...whatever it takes.

Yes, insulted and demeaning, to be sure.

desmiller

(747 posts)
127. A little birdie flew by and it said to me: To the naughty list with him!!!!!
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:45 PM
Mar 2016

and consider this OP trashed and berned!!!!

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
15. Privilege
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:00 PM
Mar 2016
Not backing the monied elites is 'priviledge' (sic)




priv·i·lege
ˈnoun
1.
a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.
"education is a right, not a privilege"
synonyms: advantage, benefit; More
verbformal
1.
grant a privilege or privileges to.
"English inheritance law privileged the eldest son

hack89

(39,171 posts)
21. No. Deciding you can do well in a Trump presidency is privilege.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:25 PM
Mar 2016

a privilege many Americans don't have.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
28. A) I won't do well in a Clinton presidency.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:34 PM
Mar 2016

B) nominating Clinton is a higher likelihood of a Trump presidency than nominating Sanders. If peep are so worried about Trump, they wouldn't be supporting her. Looks to me like more fear-mongering to try and sell the Republican-Lite candidate.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
35. Ballots are black and white
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:41 PM
Mar 2016

voters will have to choose between Hillary and Trump. And they will choose the person best for them, warts and all. So when I hear any talk about not voting for Hillary, it is clear they think that Trump will be ok for them personally.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
67. You aren't getting it. SHE DOES WORSE THAN BERNIE AGAINST TRUMP.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:48 PM
Mar 2016

And as he said, if people were SERIOUS about not getting a Trump presidency, they'd go with their BEST candidate to beat him.
But you aren't really thinking about that at all. All you are doing is using that meme as a talking point, not a serious idea. If you were serious, you'd be a Bernie Bro.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
82. But she will be the nominee
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:23 PM
Mar 2016

so lets start thinking about what we all have to do to get a Dem in the White House.

Because it appears that the great majority of Democrats think she is a better choice than Bernie. And you need to start accepting that.

BTW - those same polls show Hillary beating Trump too.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
105. So your premise is
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:35 PM
Mar 2016

that because "the great majority of Democrats think she is a better choice than Bernie" that the remaining people should just suck it up?

I'm not seeing the reason why they would. I mean your invitation to them is pretty sweet and all, but why would they just forego their principles because more people are able to?

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
142. She's not a Democrat, she's a Republican invader.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:07 AM
Mar 2016
"What we all have to do to get a Dem in the White House" is implode her candidacy.

The great majority of Democrats believe a lot of things that as a person with a BA in political theory I know to be factually untrue and beyond debate as to their factual nature; let's not hold how people believe or feel above objective realities.

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
106. I suppose immediate self interest drives some people
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:09 PM
Mar 2016

I like to think others vote for what's best for the community, the next seven generations, and the planet.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
60. Since Trump will never be president, saying "Vote for Clinton, she's not Trump" isn't working.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:27 PM
Mar 2016

It's a bankrupt strategy.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
66. You are in fantasy land . . . your FLAWED assumption is that Hillary can win.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:45 PM
Mar 2016

That is dreaming, like when someone wants something so bad they can't see anything else.

She only gets a majority of voters among DEMOCRATS which make up only 30% of the voters. She does LOUSEY among Independents and Republicans, the other 70%. And, in case you didn't know this, that other 70% gets to vote in the General Election.

Bernie does GREAT among that other 70% and does just fine among Democrats.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
83. Yet the majority of Democrats have decided otherwise
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:25 PM
Mar 2016

I suspect she will do just fine against Trump. Of course it would be easier if you decided to help out when she becomes the nominee. But you make the choice that benefits you best.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
73. Either way, my family will suffer.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:01 PM
Mar 2016

Under Clinton, I expect TPP to be passed after some perfunctory superficial tweeks are put in. Remember Ms. Clinton has backed the TPP a lot before she "read it". She then proclaimed it to be lacking is several ways. She never said she opposed the ideas in the TPP, just the wording.
The next President has fast track authority for several years. TPP and TTIP are done deals under Ms.Clinton.

So, my daughter will have her manufacturing job outsourced to Vietnam.
My atmosphere will not get protections of a carbon tax.
My fresh water will be privatized.
My family's healthcare will continue to be federally mandated privately owned for profit insurance with an outrageous deductible, for which I will be means tested every year.
My future son in law will find himself deployed to the ME again and again, at least until he gets something shot off.


Under tRump; I'll live in a fascist oligarchy, not all that much different from the one I live in now.

Either way, the likelihood of rest of the world finally getting the message that we can't stop ourselves in military superabundance or random invasions to facilitate business interests masked as regime change; and band together to help us stop ourselves become greater every saber rattle.


I do not believe either tRump or Ms. Clinton can lead our country anywhere good.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
85. Life sometimes doesn't present clear cut, black and white choices.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:27 PM
Mar 2016

all you can do is decide which president, however flawed, will be the best for you.

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
107. Your assumptions guarantee your conclusion
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:23 PM
Mar 2016

Your assumptions are wrong. "Life" is a complex system of nested micro, meso, and macro relationships dynamically changing over time, nested in an equally complex and diverse physical environment. My choices come from different values than you apparently...not simply self interest, but community interest, interest in the next 7 generations, interest in global health, and interest in the values of democracy. With all of these considerations, you are in no position to claim your simple-minded logic trumps complex thinking. Your life may be simple. Mine is not.

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
119. In this case your logic is simplistic
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:16 PM
Mar 2016

and based on faulty assumptions. I cannot deduce from one event whether or not your thinking is simplistic. I would tend to think that you are capable of more. I would speculate that you tend to work backwards from your conclusion and build the best argument you can. In this case, you do not have much to work with, ergo the specious sophistry backed up with snarky eye rolling.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
140. I'll do fantastically well in a Trump Presidency...
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:02 AM
Mar 2016

but I'm voting for Sanders to avoid a Trump presidency. Hillary will do fantastically well in a Trump presidency too or a Clinton presidency...but that's because they're birds of a feather.

There's one party, we aren't in it...and Hillary supporters are the dupes in the room because she is in that party along with Trump and all those oligarchs she pals around with and works against our interests to work in their interests.

Autumn

(44,762 posts)
9. I think Privilege is when you can afford to buy access to politicians
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:54 PM
Mar 2016

like the fundraisers where attendees can donate $27,000 to have their photos taken, and get a ticket to host a reception and become members of a candidates finance committee. That's Fucking Privilege.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/02/22/hillary-clinton-la-fundraisers/

kjones

(1,053 posts)
36. Bernie seems to burn through a lot more money than Clinton.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:41 PM
Mar 2016

Not to mention Hillary is sharing a lot of the money she pulls in down ticket.
Is Bernie?

kjones

(1,053 posts)
41. Vague and uninformative. Care to elaborate, or did you just give up?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:52 PM
Mar 2016

Sounds to me like you've got nothing. Well...I'm sure there's
an something "original" to use in the smilies. Seems to be a go
to.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
95. Bernie is sharing a lot more money downticket than Hillary
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:17 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie--
9 contributions totaling $226,521 to Democratic Party committees

http://www.followthemoney.org/show-me?f-core=1&pt-pt=1&d-eid=8206022

Hillary--

8 contributions totaling $6,425 to candidates and committees

http://www.followthemoney.org/show-me?f-core=1&d-eid=569313

TrueDemVA

(250 posts)
103. Whoa, take it easy
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:34 PM
Mar 2016

You are presenting facts. I don't think that's what we want here. HA HA HA!

GO BERNIE!!!

spooky3

(34,303 posts)
115. Did you also see to whom and when the $ was given? Tells a different story.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:51 PM
Mar 2016

About half of his "contributions" were to the "Dem Senate Victory Fund." That's not "downticket", given that he is a Senator and $100K of those were donated in 2012, well before he began his campaign for president. He was and is likely to be a beneficiary of those contributions. Even the $25K he donated in 2014 could have benefited him.

The other half was given to the Vermont Democratic Party in 2012. None for years since then. So the only "downticket" candidates he has helped are those in Vermont, in 2012. Nothing for the other 49 states.

The site lists no contributions after 2014. Maybe it's just out of date. Or, maybe he has given nothing in 2015 or 2016 to help downticket campaigns.

And how much has Sanders RAISED that goes directly to benefit true downticket candidates? Clinton has raised a lot of money that does not go first to her, but goes directly to others, so those would not be listed at your linked site here as a contribution. That is one of the reasons (though you may consider it craven, though if you do, you must also consider raising for yourself and then "contributing" it to orgs, especially those that benefit you, as equally craven) why she has so many endorsements from superdelegates.

In any case, those are the facts.

 

blueintelligentsia

(507 posts)
135. I'm curious, I see candidates on the site she gave to our of the 6k...
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:55 AM
Mar 2016

Is there a better site to show where she has given money to specific candidates.

Through /grassworksselect via /sandersforpresident, I believe, this was started to support 25 candidates running on a progressive agenda.

Tim Canova is especially interesting because he is running against Congresswoman and DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz. He was denied access to the DNC voter registry and only recently allowed access.

https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/couregeousendorsers

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
12. The Clinton's record on AIDS was terrible. GW's record is far better.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:00 PM
Mar 2016

Clinton broke promises and underfunded. Fortunately, Bush did much better, creating PEPFAR, for example. Yes, I despise Bush. But touting Clinton's AIDS record makes no sense.

Arkansas Granny

(31,483 posts)
14. More from the article that I found interesting.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:00 PM
Mar 2016
It’s one thing to prefer one candidate over another. That’s healthy. That’s admirable. It’s another to actively hate a candidate for doing exactly the same things as the last three men you voted for, despite her liberal record.
Let’s think practically about the election in November.


If Donald Trump gets elected, how many vulnerable people will be hurt, how many programs cut, how bad will the the economy get under conservative policies? How much damage will be done if Trump, an open racist and misogynist, is empowered to command our military, veto bills, and nominate people to the Supreme Court, impacting life in the US for decades to come?
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
17. It's a Libertarian outlook because it's all about ME! ME! ME!
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:03 PM
Mar 2016

Without the slightest consideration of what might be better for the country, or what their fellow voters have already decided.

I'd agree that Sanders would make a better President in principle. But that opinion is not shared by the greater number of voters for Clinton so I don't have a problem with taking others' considerations in mind when I cast my ballot.
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TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
27. yes, of course socialism = libertarianism!
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:34 PM
Mar 2016

And 2+2=5. How clear that point is to all who believe that Ignorance is Strength. Keep on keepin' on, Team Wall Street.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
29. Wrongo...It's about "we"
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:36 PM
Mar 2016

One can certainly disagree with Sanders, or believe that Clinton would be a better GE candidate.....But to disparage the motives of the majority of Sanders supporters in a way that is totally the opposite of reality...That's just bogus.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
39. DU is only anecdotal, of course.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:45 PM
Mar 2016

But there are many more Sanders supporters here claiming they won't vote for Clinton because only their personal principles are in play.

Clinton supporters, by and large, don't have a problem voting for Sanders if he wins the nomination.

I just think it's important to keep in mind that she will have won the nomination because more Democrats voted for her.
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Armstead

(47,803 posts)
54. Having survived numerous GOP presidencies, I don't fall intio that camp
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:16 PM
Mar 2016

But having also experienced the Democrats in and out of power, I also agree with those who beieve it's necessary to make a stand and fight back against the constant abuse of the Democrat's role as the only electoral alternative for anyone to the left if Mitch McConnell.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
71. So you're a libertarian because you refuse to accept the fact that Bernie is the most electable
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:55 PM
Mar 2016

candidate, without the slightest consideration of what might be better for the country . . . ??????

Clinton does NOT have the greater number of voters. She is well known AMONG DEMOCRATS. Bernie isn't doing much worse among Democrats. But they are only 30% of the voters.
Bernie does MUCH better, double digits better with the other 70% of the people who can vote.


And 70 is a much bigger number than 30. Accept it. Stop insisting on getting your own way and start considering what is better for the country.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
90. Exactly
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:20 PM
Mar 2016

I think the opposite is true. Not supporting Hillary means, to many people that they literally have nothing to lose and nothing to gain (except maybe a large military enlistment call for their kids- although they'd rather see them go to college) if she is elected, so why give her their vote?

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
24. Misleading headline, IMO. Here is the original article, different headline:
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:30 PM
Mar 2016
http://bittergertrude.com/2016/03/14/ill-never-vote-for-hillary-yeah-ok/

The term "privilege" doesn't even appear in the original article, which is a cautionary screed directed toward anyone who might sit out the election.

Nothing new here, "vote in November for Hillary or you'll get Trump", or something.

It neglects to point out that Sanders is doing pretty well, that he actually may be the safer bet to beat Trump.

So, I don't see anything about privilege worth discussing, just more inter-candidate baiting and drama.

IMHO
 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
72. And thank you . . . . . always nice to catch them in their disinformation
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:01 PM
Mar 2016

"It neglects to point out that Sanders is doing pretty well, that he actually may be the safer bet to beat Trump.

So, I don't see anything about privilege worth discussing, just more inter-candidate baiting and drama. "


I guess if they can't debate on the issues, that is all they have.

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
44. The opposite is true
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:58 PM
Mar 2016

I am out and about, busy so I can't write a long response but basically this:

The status quo works for the privileged. The people with more to lose want to keep things as they are. The people with less to lose should, logically, want actual change.

This OP is compketely backwards.

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
32. It wasn't a mistake, it was pig ignorance.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:39 PM
Mar 2016

She had no clue so she just assumed. After all, how could such a great upstanding person like Nancy Reagan be an anti-gay fuckhead? Pretty easily. To not know this just shows great ignorance to a very obvious position.

It's not this ignorance that makes me leery of voting for her though, it's a bunch of other things.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
45. It's my privelege to vote for whomever I think is the most progressive candidate.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:58 PM
Mar 2016

A 45 second "inaccurate", "mistake"?

I don't have any quarrel with Hillary's record on AIDS/HIV but I think it was attempt to inject it as a "SEE ME!" statement when she praised Nancy and Ron.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
52. Says some anonymous idiotic nobody from the Internet. Clickety Click.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:15 PM
Mar 2016

In other words... A bullshit opinion.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
55. Absolutely and just another example when the democratic base says they are not being addressed,
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:17 PM
Mar 2016

this is what they/we are talking about. That Sanders supporters can talk to us about moral compass yet leave lives at stake because they did not get the candidate they want, is exactly why we choose a different candidate.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
56. Fuck that
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:19 PM
Mar 2016

I'm not privileged. I'm unemployed 55 and taking care of my elderly mother. Hillary is a crook. I won't vote for her. It's PRINCIPLE not privilege. If this is the best the DNC can give us, then they deserve to see her lose. This is her LAST chance and I would love nothing more than to see her chances shot down by Bernie.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
58. Actually climate change is what compels a lot of people I talk to
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:26 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary's poor proposals don't cut it and will ensure the planet fails.

So yeah, not privilege, just concern for all of us and our future.

They say if Bernie isn't the nominee they'll vote for Jill Stein since Trump and Hillary will cause virtually the same damage so why not vote their conscience?

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
62. Actually voting for Clinton shows privilege
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:37 PM
Mar 2016

It shows that you either don't care about fracking, SS cuts, for-profit healthcare, even more bloated pentagon budgets, capital punishment, for-profit mass incarceration, more domestic spying, poverty-level minimum wages, TTP, TTIP, more H1B visas, and less Wall Street regulation, or those issues don't affect you. In either case you are privileged indeed.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
64. Just the OPPOSITE
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:38 PM
Mar 2016
Privilege is what allows Hillary supporters to keep backing a flawed candidate.
when they should be backing the most electable candidate.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
69. Privilege is being paid a quarter of a million dollars for a single speech.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:52 PM
Mar 2016

But getting down to brass tacks, here, does anyone actually believe that these jargon-laden tumblresque manifestos are actually convincing anyone of anything?

"ohmigod, I was totally going to sit out the general if Hillary is nominated until I was reminded to check my privilege™, aha! i see the light!"

No. No one is swayed by this stuff. It is navel-gazing, virtue signalling and choir-preaching, nothing more.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
78. I have read some GREAT responses but your has to be one of the best if not the best
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:12 PM
Mar 2016

This line is the best



Privilege is being paid a quarter of a million dollars for a single speech.



Thank you for that!!!!!!


 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
94. color has nothing to do with it. plenty of PoC will fight for what they believe in rather than
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:04 PM
Mar 2016

settle for table scraps and it's pretty fucking offensive for you to suggest otherwise.

Mike__M

(1,052 posts)
130. Indeed
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:04 AM
Mar 2016

This hairball Bernie-privilege thing keeps coming back.

I answered it myself a couple weeks ago; for me its a matter of perspective, not privilege.

Rebkeh answered it again today: "Nonsense, utter bunk."

Hatchling

(2,323 posts)
91. "Mistakenly said"
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:53 PM
Mar 2016

Every time Clinton mistakenly says something in ignorance or deceptiveness I shudder to think that some day she may mistakenly say such a thing to someone in a diplomatic situation who won't taken I misspoke as an excuse.

She misspeaks all too frequently and I won't vote for someone so disingenuous or ignorant or deceptive (in the primaries).

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
97. sure, uh... okay..
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:14 PM
Mar 2016

He is giving speeches to thousands of people, working class, middle class, poor, and even some well off for FREE! She is running around to eat dinner with big donors who spend $!00,000+ for the privilege of eating with her.

Now WHO exactly represents those of privilege??

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
100. Privilege is living in the US and not worrying about getting bombed,
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:24 PM
Mar 2016

unlike those in the countries that will suffer from current or future wars that Hillary supports.

For those victims of war, I guess it's out of sight, out of mind.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
101. I love being lectured about my 'privilege' from a well-to-do white woman with a
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:24 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:12 PM - Edit history (1)

PhD in Theater.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
108. After the convention we'll definitely find out who the real dems are around here
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:24 PM
Mar 2016

and who is just play-acting...

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
116. Yep, if Hill wins the true dems will be gone and if Bernie wins
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:15 PM
Mar 2016

the Third Way fake dems will be gone.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
136. And then there's the people like me
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 03:15 PM
Mar 2016

who will support whoever the Dem nominee is.... I guess I'm a rare breed since everyone else is itching to leave DU if their candidate loses...

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
137. The best course of action, according to Thom Hartmann,
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 04:11 PM
Mar 2016

would be to infiltrate the Dem Party at all levels and bring it back to its FDR roots -- the party of the people.

However, it would be a mistake to confuse DU with the Democratic Party. They are separate things.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
138. "infiltrate"??
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 08:53 AM
Mar 2016

Whatever happened to simply joining, participating and fucking VOTING?

Folks would impress the hell out of me if they could just do that...

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
144. Meaning become active, get leadership positions, weigh in on important decisions and steer it left.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:03 PM
Mar 2016

Most of us are members of the Democratic Party and vote in every election, but if we want to influence the direction of the party, we need to become local party leaders and state party leaders and actually affect the direction it takes.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
146. Yes, you're right.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:30 PM
Mar 2016

I do have a problem with that, Blue_Tires. I think in images, not words, so it's often a process of translation and sometimes I get it wrong. It's a pain in the butt and makes communication slow and difficult, but I'm stuck with it.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
110. Clinton will do a lot....
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:38 PM
Mar 2016

to defend the status quo and privilege. I find many of her supporters screaming privilege seem to be most unaware of their own.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
111. HILLARY = PRIVILEGE
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:42 PM
Mar 2016

Her entire life, all of her choices, are about maintaining and enhancing her own white privilege and that of her peer group.

She is nothing but.

jpb33

(141 posts)
120. Ridiculous
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:57 PM
Mar 2016

More ridiculous nonsense screaming about sexism. It cannot be that HRC is just a bad candidate, but people don't like her because they are all sexist. It is not that she voted for the Iraq war, had a private server at her home while SOS, made millions upon millions giving speeches to bankers, supporting coups of democratically elected presidents in other countries, supporting outsourcing of jobs, supports death penalty, made a mess of Libya, wants to continue and ratchet up the drug war, does not want to decrim weed, she is n Wall Streets pocket (I would write more, but my hands are getting tired). No, no it is none of these reasons, the only possible reason is because everyone is sexist!

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
123. BULL!
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:19 PM
Mar 2016

I'm not privileged. I am fucking tired of not being represented by the Democratic Party since at least 1992. She does not represent me.

 

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)
128. Privilege is not being able to accept the truth about your candidate.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:45 PM
Mar 2016

The rest of us need someone who will help us get out of this hole.

Feel The Bern!

Meteor Man

(385 posts)
131. That's right
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:07 AM
Mar 2016

It's all that white privilege that makes Bernie so popular on Skid Row.
Yep. And great job throwing the gender bashing micro-aggression in there. That should really change a lotta minds!

Cobalt Violet

(9,905 posts)
143. I think it's more like nothing to lose.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:13 AM
Mar 2016

If you don't have anything to lose you aren't going to lose anything.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
147. I'm so tired of hearing this, I'll just accept it. I'm privileged. Bring me a sandwich.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:32 PM
Mar 2016

I'll let you know as other wants and needs pop into my head. In the meantime, I think I'll just go ahead and vote in the privileged way I see fit.

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