2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf you're determined to point your finger of blame
at whoever caused the long lines in some Arizona polling places, there are two places to point:
(1) the REPUBLICANS who made the choice to cut back on polling places and (2) the people in Bernie's campaign who didn't educate their voters about the feasibility and simplicity of mail-in ballots. This is basic GOTV, people!
But Hillary is not to blame because some Bernie people say they had trouble voting. And even Debbie is not to blame. These conspiracy theories today are just nutty.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/arizona-voting-suppression/index.html
"I take full responsibility for what happened yesterday," said Maricopa County Recorder Helen Purcell Wednesday at a Maricopa County Board of Supervisors meeting.
Purcell, a Republican, initially defended the closings on Tuesday night, telling Fox 10 Phoenix voters could have voted via early ballots rather than risking waiting in line.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)primarily, I suspect, because it is not HRC voters trying to place the blame of the voting fiasco on another Democratic candidate or the DNC.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)since Hillary won with thousands still in line, it's saying you're not on the roll even though you show your card stating that you are a dem. many more like that. It is a LOT of different things that show that AZ was rigged.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and anyone claiming that, didn't vote in Arizona.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Okay Everyone! I posted earlier about my being denied my legal right to vote this morning. I went to the Pima County Recorders office and video taped the whole thing. Here's what they are doing. They are copying voter registration cards changing the date and the party preference. They can't change the original because that goes out to the party. At first she tried to say I sent in a second voter registration card (of course I didn't not) then she changes her story to its a computer glitch then states it's an error
https://vid.me/KKWP
Open discussion
So will this lady's vote count? It seems like she did everything right.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)caused by the Rethugs in charge of the elections.
And by any Democratic campaign that didn't encourage its voters to use mail-in ballots.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)Hey, come vote for us in November. Then you wonder why the Democratic Party is losing out in red states.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)is in charge of voting in AZ and AZ voters need to hold them accountable.
And Democrats need to learn how to use mail-in ballots.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)the voters are not going to support the Party. In which case the Party may well become a third party or less.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)for not emphasizing the feasibility and simplicity of mail-in ballots. Though, it is basic GOTV that is (should have been) touched on in phone-banking and door knocking.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)That she "won"...
Spare me.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)...to remedy?
I'm guessing it would take a court order.
So much for responsibility.
LonePirate
(13,386 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)In using the word "suspect," I guess I was attempting to give her a little benefit of the doubt. A doubt I don't actually have.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)If you are going to try and go with #2, you have to blame both campaigns, not just Bernie's. In reality, neither campaign is to blame.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)were all Bernie voters. Brings the entire process into question.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)probably because the campaign informed its voters about the convenience of mail in ballots.
We have them in WA and we get calls from all the campaigns to make sure we send them in. Apparently Bernie's people didn't do this.
They should get their act together in the future. GOTV is more important than flooding a state with TV ads that no one watches.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)mail-in balloting in very high numbers.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)...anyone else's.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)If Hillary AND BERNIE choose to do nothing, they are ENABLING THE PROBLEM, which makes them PART OF THE PROBLEM.
The General Election is coming up - do you really think these voter suppression tactics are going to be fixed PRIOR to then without strong arming the guilty folks into decent behavior?
The "accidental" flip of voter registrations tells me there is fraud in the plans. It isn't conspiracy; it's math.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)What I'm objecting to are all the conspiracy theorists who are blaming Debbie and Hillary for local AZ problems.
And I disagree that mail-in ballots constitute voter suppression.
What I read that made the most sense is that voters who changed their registration -- to indicate a change of address, for example -- often failed to check a box for party. Even if they'd checked one in the past. And if no box was checked, the registration defaulted to Independent.
Everyone everywhere would be well advised to check their registration before the General to make sure there won't be any problem with voting.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Who were able to SHOW their registration cards but had screens say differently.
Let's assume 10% of the time voters made an "oops" - the numbers I am seeing are 2/3 of the voters were showing the wrong registration.
Two out of three people who were Registered Democrats COULD NOT VOTE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY.
And that is a separate issue from long lines, cutting polling places from 200 to 60 and the other shenanigans.
What I learned from my New Hampshire experience is this: the ONLY PEOPLE with standings to fight this are those PERSONALLY affected - in other words, the voters and the candidates.
The voters rarely have the money to pay for attorneys, but the candidates have collected millions AND have attorneys familiar with election laws on staff.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)Hillary or Debbie.
It could have happened to Hillary's supporters, too, if they didn't vote by mail.
And this should be investigated and fixed well before the election. But don't blame the wrong people. This wasn't a Republican conspiracy to help Hillary!
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)FIGHT TO GET IT FIXED as per my earlier post. Our candidates are supposed to be LEADERS and they have the resources to address this.
I hope that makes sense to you.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)And for those in most other 'line up at a specific place to video vote' States.
PufPuf23
(8,689 posts)but I think that the GOP establishment (not Trump) wants Hillary Clinton to be the Democratic POTUS nominee.
The GOP's track record in manipulating elections seems to be standard practice.
We already know that the Democratic establishment favors and favored Hillary Clinton.
One easy way to answer the question as to whether there has been biased manipulation of elections is if the questioned elections all break the one way.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)if they wanted her to be the nominee.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Good reason to vote for whoever the Dem candidate is.
The Supreme Court gutted the VRA in 2013, Thus, Arizona was able to make election changes without federal oversight.