The modern Democratic Party is controlled by Rockefeller Republicans.

http://www.businessinsider.com/lloyd-blankfein-told-cnbcnbspim-a-registered-democrat-and-a-rockefeller-republican--where-that-will-get-me--2012-4

matters of interest... That way they can just continue to make excuses and define "progressive" via means less financially costly to their TOP 1% Benefactor Class whose objectives they now place at the HIGHEST PRIORITY!

huh.

are to the right of Old Nelson.

They think the party is theirs and treat the progressives like shit.

one progressive and his name Bernie. The other one is a DLCer at best.

Progressives do not support Republicon wars for profits.

Progressives do not support the Patriot Act, domestic spying, indefinite detention, etc.

Progressives don't support job killing Free Trade agreements.

Progressive don't accept pay offs from Banksters

Progressives don't support environmental damage from fracking, drilling in the arctic, etc.

Progressives don't get endorsed by the neocon community

Progressives don't support the Prison For Profits industry

If you've seen the debates you should understand that the two Democratic candidates are miles apart.

If you take out the pie-in-the-sky stuff from Bernie's platform, you basically get Hillary's, except that Hillary has a much stronger grasp of foreign policy and more experience across the board.

are miles apart. Her platform is total rhetoric, filled with "I think we should", "it would be good if", "students shouldn't have to be". She is a master of not saying anything. Not committing herself.

Bottom line is that she does not have a progressive foreign policy. The neocons have endorsed her.

As far as your list, those laundry lists that circle around the Bernie-nets are wildly inaccurate. As soon as you say something like she "accepts pay offs from Banksters" you've disqualified yourself from the realm of intelligent conversation.

campaign, her foundation, and her personal pocketbook? Maybe you think that all those millions won't influence her. Those that give money to politicians want something in return, quid pro quo. They see it as an investment.

contributions with corporate contributions. Also, only a small fraction (5% of so) of her campaign funds come from individuals employed in financial corporations (which, BTW, are some of the largest employers in her home state of NY).

I've heard the smears and the conspiracy theories. Not impressed.

from "friends".

The Clintons are very wealthy and successful. So? Yeah, if you're voted most admired woman in the world 15 times, and have the wide range of knowledge and experience of Hillary Clinton, people pay a lot to see you speak.

Did the far left not know about the fact that there's a paid speaking tour until this election?

the lower classes will suffer. Do you honestly believe she will work to reverse the widening wealth gap? or close Prisons For Profit? Or raise the defense budget? Continue a very aggressive war in the middle east?

We are at a crossroads to save our democracy. We may never have this chance again. We need a true progressive in the WH.

with Hillary Clinton. It's all baseless smears.

Do I think she will work to reverse the wealth gap? Of course. Fight mass incarceration and for-profit prisons? Of course.

On foreign policy, she will be better both in terms of reducing Middle East instability and keeping the US safe than Bernie. You don't want a naive newbie doing this stuff.

Burying one's head in the sand is not the path to enlightenment.

And, sure, DQ me if you want. Meanwhile the Democratic electorate is DQing Sanders.

the system is rigged in her favor. From the DNC to M$M it's rigged

Don't bother to come back with " show me the links" They are hundreds all over DU alone. Go look them up your self.

First off, Hillary's platform is Just Bernie's platform slightly modified and presented after Bernie presented his.

And I don't consider voting for war as an example of a 'much stronger grasp of FP.

aligned they are. Of course, she didn't steal it, like I said they voted the same way in the senate over 90% of the time. Do you think she was simply copying his positions for all those votes?

She wants to give parents $2,500 deduction (worth about $1,000 real money) and tell the states to behave themselves. They are not close.

She favors fracking (only if the corporation promise to be careful) while he rejects the environment damaging fracking for profits.

How about the Patriot Act, domestic spying, indefinite detention. Not close on those issues.

Prisons For Profits - He wants to eliminate them, she likes tough laws to fill them. Not close.

He wants to end the ever growing wealth gap, she wants to take advantage of it (made her very wealthy)

He doesn't believe in big money control in politics, She takes advantage.

of our children and families.

I left a lot out like her position on marijuana. No federal legalization. Would allow the states to determine but could be overruled if certain federal guidelines weren't observed. Medical marijuana needs more study.

voting for War: Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc, etc is not a grasp of FP. It does show a grasp of feeding your Military Industrial Complex puppet masters though.

Fracking isn't progressive. Private prison isn't progressive. Regime change isn't progressive. Selling out the minimum wage fight isn't progressive. Supporting jail for marijuana isn't progressive. Free trade deals are not progressive. Hillary is far from progressive, please stop labeling her as such, she is a blue dog democrat at best.

the things I have stated about her?

The good news is that Bernie's going to lose, and Hillary's going to be the nominee, and all the anti-Hillary smears will add up to nothing.

those are all stances she has taken, it also coincides with people she has taken money from, but I wouldn't want to imply anything is wrong with that. After all, bashing is now pointing out someone's record. Please take the time to tell me which one is wrong or misleading. I have time.

Like I also said, irrelevant now that she's the nominee and the far left is once again relegated to making noises that nobody listens to or cares about, and threatening yet again to throw the election to the GOP.

Sorry, it's a little late, and I don't feel like correcting the same set of smears for the 20th time. Use google. Or else don't and keep repeating the nonsense. In the real world, we have a strong progressive nominee named Hillary Clinton.

Since when? And you are slandering the word progressive.

http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/30/a-different-look-at-generations-and-partisanship/

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2014/03/07/chapter-1-political-trends/

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/01/16/this-year-millennials-will-overtake-baby-boomers/

Yep, the future of politics is clearly going to be right leaning centrism!

any Dem should be ashamed to even CONSIDER voting for such a corrupt far right wing poser. There's nothing "Centrist" about her in the least!

My husband and I are both in our 50s we haven't drifted nor have a lot of others our age or older. Hillary may be getting the majority of older voters who have voted but she's not getting all of them.

This pattern is faltering atm.

it's only gotten worse though.

But yes, it's the same old crones doing it.

Obama talked like Bernie running then once in acted mostly nothing like that. I believe in the Who song saying we won't be fooled again...or at least me and other Bernie fans won't.

Hillary would just about do and say anything to get in. But her actions....lumping her in as a progressive with Bernie is quite the stretch....who voted for the tragic Iraq War and who did not?

Absolutely! Challenging Beltway Group Think is a key reason Sanders needs to stay in through the convention, regardless of cumulative delegate totals.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511507143

... they spent most of Obama's 7+ years complaining about Obama and not building up an array of "sufficient liberal" candidates for 2016.

They wasted a few of those years calling for a primary AGAINST Obama. That was time they could have spent building up alternatives for 2016.

Did they do that ... NO.

I tried to explain to them BACK THEN that if they did not build up such alternaitves, they'd spend 2015 and 2016 complaining about Hillary.

And so here we are.

Hillary will win the Nomination, and become President, and they'll spend her years doing the exact same thing. Complaining while developing no alternatives. Again.

Within the next ten to twenty years the baby boomer generation will go from the largest cohort to being almost nonexistent and the millennial generation will take the helm with over 80 million voters. Even if for the next 4 years every progressive at every level of office was somehow spirited away by DWS, then it wouldn't change the fact that the vast majority of Americans want a progressive agenda. The democratic party doesn't really have a choice in the matter.

The reason there are sometimes generational divides is due to how one comes to see the world as they mature. It is simply a fact that they way young people see the world right now is fundamentally different then the way older Americans do. Those people who grew up in the 60's, 70's, 80's knew a very different America then the one I grew up with. To them America is the same place as it was all those years ago, as time goes on and one moment casually interspersed into the next the differences merge into the back ground, small outbursts here and there, but in the end its all just fades into white noise.

Not only will they not help solve the problem, they don't even understand that a problem exists. To many what is actually happening this year is baffling. Some seem to think that this year is some weird el nino type event, that the stars just happened to align some certain way and after its over it'll never happen again, rather then face the fact things are like this for a reason and ignoring it will only make it that much worse. No argument no matter how eloquent or explicit can convince them to shift their perspectives. We don't admit defeat, but we can't take the ground today.

Looking at all the information points to an eventual end to the 40+ year long era that has brought the nation to its knees. Many factors have coalesced to support the rise of a massive extremely liberal cohort, which will put the nation back on its feat again. It'll be a huge effort, we'll need to correct the mistakes of past generations and pay off their debts. The statistics say we aren't buying homes or cars like earlier generations, that we aren't getting married or having kids because we can't afford to, that we won't make as much money or live as long or be as happy as our parents were, but its ok. Its going to be us who saves the dying oceans, its going to be us who pay back the 20 trillion debt, its going to be us who fight the rampant social and economic injustices pervading our society, its going to be us who overthrow the oligarchs who have perverted the law and silenced the will of the people. We will do this, because if we don't nothing but ashes and ruins will remain.

But it's going to do so IN SPITE of the whiny "Left", not because of it. The primary proved that the grassroots simply weren't there; if they were, the progressive candidate would be beating, or at least not getting destroyed by, the establishment candidate. Even the under 50k income voters are voting Hillary now - doesn't that speak volumes about where we have failed?

it.

You don't call yourself a Dem a year before the election and say you are taking over then whine that your being suffocated.

And you don't threaten to not vote if things don't go your way!


Weeping Jesus on the cross!

his teachings worked in the early Christian community.

Nothing here to compare with the present Third Way
party, which stands in awe of money. On the contrary
he pushed the money changers out of the temple.

Remember your New Testament?

If you support Hillary, you aren't progressive, so please stop telling us how we should be doing things. I do not need advice from someone who is willing to sell out democratic principles for an election win in one office and disastrous results down ticket. Right now the democratic party in my area is begging our Bernie group to join them. Why? We kicked her ass in our county by +5000 . Pretty bad when a rag tag group of individuals can outperform a party that's existed for over a hundred years here. I'm not interested in joining the cesspool of democratic principles gone by, instead we will form our own thing and you guys can continue with your right of Rockefeller republican stances. I want no part of a party not willing to fight for the people.

But no you'll keep looking at the world through your narcissistic paradigm and label and criticize everyone who doesn't measure up.

Your like a fundy in that way

Own it, embrace it. It's all you.

of the people voting democrat. But you don't need us and our progressive stances, you got wall st., big pharma, and the MIC. Why would you want us when you have all that?

By the way, we all need each other. The only way any of us gets anywhere is by working together against the common enemy.

There are many ways to do that. Voting is only one. But look at the states where Dems didn't bother to vote like KS and NC and WI

No, we don't. You guys trying to sell us a shit sandwich we want no part of need us. We will be making the changes with or without you, and honestly I hope it is without so we can have a truly progressive platform instead of one whose slogan is " no we can't!"

Enough is enough. Enough of being sold out by the wall st. wing. Enough of being sold out by bad trade deals. Enough supporting conservadems, we are just going to change the dynamics, the revolution is here, you may win the primary and even the election, but shit is changing. The youth, with some fed up older folks, are going to bring the gop and the conservadems kicking and screaming into the current century. You said it clear. Enough.

Obama won and before he was even inaugurated. It didn't stop even after that.

And, I was insulted when the cold and calculated "Circle Blue D" was replaced with our great Braying Kicking Donkey showing our Fighting Spirit. But, I realize that many younger people though the "Circle D" was pretty cool so we had to go with it. Still..it is a cold and heartless symbol for a Party that has Fought honorably for many decades.

That's why I still use the and not that cold, heartless Symbol Thing.