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Happyhippychick

(8,379 posts)
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 11:20 AM Aug 2016

I used to question Hillary's honesty. Thanks to the Repubes, now I don't. Anyone else?

Honestly, this constantly crawling of the Repubes into Hillary's emails, her past....it's just made me see very clearly that she has absolutely nothing on her. Thanks to them, I really trust her now and I can't say that I have always felt that way.

Thanks GOOPers, you've made me support our nominee much more strongly. I might have been a little reluctant to vote for her but she is now in the "I will crawl to the polls if I have to" category.

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I used to question Hillary's honesty. Thanks to the Repubes, now I don't. Anyone else? (Original Post) Happyhippychick Aug 2016 OP
Still do Glamrock Aug 2016 #1
I mean this honestly Happyhippychick Aug 2016 #3
We'll have to discuss after the election. Glamrock Aug 2016 #14
okay Happyhippychick Aug 2016 #21
Politifact and the other fact checkers say that she is unusually truthful for a politician. pnwmom Aug 2016 #4
I don't question Hillary honesty: She has been investigate by everyone: She is clean! lewebley3 Aug 2016 #18
That is what has happened to many of us, except it happened earlier on the time scale. pnwmom Aug 2016 #2
It always amazes me to think of how much shit she's had to put up with over the years. sarae Aug 2016 #29
I never did because I know what has been the m.o. Loki Aug 2016 #5
Hillary is probably the most honesty person in politics, we know she was been investigated lewebley3 Aug 2016 #19
I never thought she was any worse than any run of the mill politician... Wounded Bear Aug 2016 #6
+1 MichiganVote Aug 2016 #9
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2016 #25
Agreed. sarae Aug 2016 #30
Exactly LiberalLovinLug Aug 2016 #33
I never questioned her honesty. DawgHouse Aug 2016 #7
Yep. This is the very definition of a witch hunt. sarae Aug 2016 #31
The Whitewater investigation proved that to me. All that time and effort and they could only prove FSogol Aug 2016 #8
"All that time and effort" caquillo Aug 2016 #10
True: 4-1/2 years and $39.2 Million. Of course all of the GOP independent probes of the Clinton's FSogol Aug 2016 #12
You've echoed my feeling exactly. The more they attack, the stronger my loyalty becomes. unitedwethrive Aug 2016 #11
Yes! sarae Aug 2016 #32
Agreed rock Aug 2016 #13
I remember the '90s, so I know most of the "she lies" bullshit is exactly that... charlyvi Aug 2016 #15
How many people could survive this level of scrutiny over 30 years? Tens of thousands of recent wiggs Aug 2016 #16
Exactly. sarae Aug 2016 #34
"Oops, we didn't mean for that to happen!" PatSeg Aug 2016 #17
I've gone from I'm not sure I'm gonna vote for her stage left Aug 2016 #20
Were GOP goals bucolic_frolic Aug 2016 #22
The onslaught of H - H8'ers here at DU strengthened my resolve to support and defend Hillary. NBachers Aug 2016 #23
I love your sig line... sarae Aug 2016 #35
I'm questioning even more the M$Ms due diligence on these matters, I was thinking they'd learn after uponit7771 Aug 2016 #24
Eh, I've never doubted her. joshcryer Aug 2016 #26
The sniper remark tazkcmo Aug 2016 #40
Yep. joshcryer Aug 2016 #44
It's what they do when our candidates are so good ffr Aug 2016 #27
I have NEVER not believed her. MFM008 Aug 2016 #28
The fact that she doesn't like the spotlight makes me like her more. sarae Aug 2016 #36
+1000! DemonGoddess Aug 2016 #46
Check out "The Hunting of the President" - either the book or the documentary movie. PBass Aug 2016 #37
Hillary's been under intense scrutiny and criticism for twenty-five years. maddiemom Aug 2016 #38
Haven't you heard? tazkcmo Aug 2016 #39
Theres many peoples honesty I question. Still do to this day. William769 Aug 2016 #41
Vast majority have bought into the republican narrative BlueStateLib Aug 2016 #42
The vast majority of Rethugs have. Probably 100%. But not Dems. n/t pnwmom Aug 2016 #43
I don't even care at this point adigal Aug 2016 #45

Happyhippychick

(8,379 posts)
3. I mean this honestly
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 11:31 AM
Aug 2016

First, thank you for supporting her. Second, thank you for your honest answer. And third, what is it that she has been dishonest about? I really want to have a civilized discussion about this (I'm directing that at anyone who is about to jump in, not you).

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
4. Politifact and the other fact checkers say that she is unusually truthful for a politician.
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 11:32 AM
Aug 2016

If you don't think so, it could be that you've bought into too many right-wing attacks.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
2. That is what has happened to many of us, except it happened earlier on the time scale.
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 11:30 AM
Aug 2016

After seeing the Rethugs freak out because she didn't want to bake cookies in the White House, and then moving on to Travelgate, Christmastcard-gate, the Vince Forster "murder", etc. up to and including Benghazi, it is clear that while there has been a lot of smoke around Hillary over the decades, there has never been a fire. Just a GOP-owned smoke machine.

In 35 years of attacks and investigations, she has always held up. She is either super-woman, invincible, or they were just attacking her for their own purposes.

Either way (but I'm certain it's the latter), I'm with her.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
29. It always amazes me to think of how much shit she's had to put up with over the years.
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 02:36 PM
Aug 2016

The things they've said about her would probably keep me housebound for the rest of my life. Her strength and toughness are some of the things I admire the most about her; I honestly don't know how she deals with it.

It's laughable when Trump claims she doesn't have mental strength or stamina. That's rich coming from a thin-skinned man-baby.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
5. I never did because I know what has been the m.o.
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 11:37 AM
Aug 2016

of Karl Rove and the Republican Party for years. Remember, if you repeat the lie often enough, people will believe it. I experienced rat fucking up close and personal during the McGovern campaign and lived in Texas for almost 20 years, and the one thing they cannot let happen is for a woman who is a Democrat, gain power. That's been the guiding premise from the day she entered politics.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
19. Hillary is probably the most honesty person in politics, we know she was been investigated
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 02:09 PM
Aug 2016

by the GOP over and over again!

Wounded Bear

(58,440 posts)
6. I never thought she was any worse than any run of the mill politician...
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 11:50 AM
Aug 2016

when it comes to the honest/trustworthy issues.

The decades-long RW attack on her and Bill give me a decided "boy who cried wolf" feeling about the whole thing. Seems like if there was ever anything real to find, they would have found it by now. Bunch of horseshit.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,154 posts)
33. Exactly
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 02:50 PM
Aug 2016

She's a politician for Petes sake. Of course she has lied, or to put it nicer, she has misdirected, exaggerated, spoke around the questions etc.
But that is, unfortunately a part of the toolbox of politics. Call me jaded. She is not running for pope. Any politician, any Democrat, would be rendered useless against the Republican opposition, and the corporate press, without having to dip into that toolbox at least occasionally.

But the demonization from the right, literally in some cases, is way beyond unfair, and mostly all total bullshit.

To me it's more about the platform and issues they want to tackle. And since she has embraced at least part of Bernies platform into her own, and now is getting his enthusiastic support, she has convinced me. And I don't care if she has to use all the tricks of the trade to implement that platform.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
31. Yep. This is the very definition of a witch hunt.
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 02:45 PM
Aug 2016

I don't know how that's not obvious to everyone on both the right and the left.

FSogol

(45,357 posts)
8. The Whitewater investigation proved that to me. All that time and effort and they could only prove
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 12:15 PM
Aug 2016

President Clinton lied about having an affair.

FSogol

(45,357 posts)
12. True: 4-1/2 years and $39.2 Million. Of course all of the GOP independent probes of the Clinton's
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 12:41 PM
Aug 2016

have cost our country, $80 million. The GOP should have to refund that money to the US Treasury.

unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
11. You've echoed my feeling exactly. The more they attack, the stronger my loyalty becomes.
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 12:38 PM
Aug 2016

It's like standing up for a bullied friend.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
32. Yes!
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 02:47 PM
Aug 2016

It just makes me more and more angry. They're poking at a hornet's nest now, with the Breitbart hire. Everyone talks about Trump supporters being angry, but I think they're missing how angry our side has become.

rock

(13,218 posts)
13. Agreed
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 12:59 PM
Aug 2016

Because of their massive investigations that all turned up dry, I now consider Hillary the most honest and trustworthy politician on the planet.

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
15. I remember the '90s, so I know most of the "she lies" bullshit is exactly that...
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 01:54 PM
Aug 2016

bullshit. She's not a basically dishonest person. The repub vendetta waged against her and her family for so long is just a drawn out ideological pout. See, we were right and she was wrong! type of thing.

wiggs

(7,788 posts)
16. How many people could survive this level of scrutiny over 30 years? Tens of thousands of recent
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 01:57 PM
Aug 2016

emails placed under a microscope by not only the gop but journalists and pundits for ANYTHING embarrassing and....nothing? How many politicians or officials could say that? Amazing, really.

this is why they are down to counting the number of pillows she likes on a couch or making hay out of wearing glasses. Same crap Obama went through....size of lapel pins, teleprompters, terrorist fist jabs, not praying hard enough on national prayer day, etc etc.

Why the gop has ANY air time at all and why anyone listens to them is...disappointing. Doesn't reflect well on our nation.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
34. Exactly.
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 02:53 PM
Aug 2016

I can only imagine how good any of the Repubs would look under the Hillary microscope.

PatSeg

(46,804 posts)
17. "Oops, we didn't mean for that to happen!"
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 02:01 PM
Aug 2016

Maybe they need to tend to their own house for a change and quit trying to create scandals that don't exist.

I never really considered Hillary particularly dishonest, but until recently she wasn't a great candidate. She clearly was not that comfortable being in the public eye, which I find totally understandable. She has come a long way and finally seems to be comfortable in her own skin. Also, I think she may have stopped listening to bad political advice like she got from Mark Penn & Co.

stage left

(2,934 posts)
20. I've gone from I'm not sure I'm gonna vote for her
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 02:12 PM
Aug 2016

to I'll actually work to get her elected.It would be lovely if she turned SC blue. Heads would be exploding all over.

bucolic_frolic

(42,676 posts)
22. Were GOP goals
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 02:15 PM
Aug 2016

political energy or feeding their own in the sense of the public resources
spent on investigating this woman? These committees, staff, overtime,
security, admin overhead, lawyers, investigators and consultants, these
all cost big money. Most are Republicans too, and they get all the fees, then
they have more income to donate to Republicans. Owning the legal profession
is an intergenerational occupation that fleeces taxpayers.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
24. I'm questioning even more the M$Ms due diligence on these matters, I was thinking they'd learn after
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 02:23 PM
Aug 2016

... Iraq but fuck no.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
26. Eh, I've never doubted her.
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 02:24 PM
Aug 2016

Hell, I found myself defending the dumb sniper remark.

I think humans are fallible.

tazkcmo

(7,286 posts)
40. The sniper remark
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 03:34 PM
Aug 2016

Very dumb but compared to some really big ones told by current candidates running for office, rather trivial.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
44. Yep.
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 07:55 PM
Aug 2016

The fact that she was moved to the cockpit area during the flight for safety reasons was what gave her that narrative, and she only told the story on the stump a few times.

Mercy me, she misremembered and exaggerated. Please bring me the smelling salts as I do believe I may faint.

ffr

(22,649 posts)
27. It's what they do when our candidates are so good
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 02:27 PM
Aug 2016

Bernie would have been in the same category, their 24/7 rinse-n-spin news cycle of talking heads. Their weapon? It doesn't matter the target. Repeat a lie often enough.

MFM008

(19,776 posts)
28. I have NEVER not believed her.
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 02:29 PM
Aug 2016

I believe she is secretive, we Scorpios are.
I believe she has gone to excess to protect that privacy
But Lie, no.
Not once, If you believe 25 years of republican lies
and media bullshit your as dumb as a Rump voter.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
36. The fact that she doesn't like the spotlight makes me like her more.
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 02:56 PM
Aug 2016

I don't want a president who's always grandstanding and salivating for more attention.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
46. +1000!
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 09:43 PM
Aug 2016

Agreed. Scorpios DO like to play things close to the vest.

In all the years I've observed her, aside from the usual pol exaggerations here and there, she's been unusually truthful for a politician, IMO.

As far as careful speech, she's a LAWYER, so that's kind of a built in thing with most lawyers I've ever met.

PBass

(1,537 posts)
37. Check out "The Hunting of the President" - either the book or the documentary movie.
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 02:59 PM
Aug 2016

Supposedly, the book goes into more depth. (I've only seen the movie). If you weren't alive (or old enough to be paying attention) during this time, it's likely quite eye-opening.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
38. Hillary's been under intense scrutiny and criticism for twenty-five years.
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 03:07 PM
Aug 2016

When Bill was in office, she was laughed at for claiming a "vast right wing conspiracy," but that conspiracy came out of the closet on President Obama's inauguration day. Since then, Mitch McConnell's been blatantly shirking his responsibilities in Congress and bragging about sabotaging Obama...and the poisonous turtleman (negates a lifetime of never ridiculing a person's appearance for me) is not the only one, just the most proudly upfront about it. THIS is functioning government? And the Democrat's equal fault? Check out Bill's convention speech regarding Hillary's achievements over the years: easy to prove or disprove. The woman IS politically ambitious: everyone who runs for POTUS, regardless of personal record, has got to be. Trump, in fact, might be just personally egotistic and a little panicked about having to sacrifice his present lifestyle if elected. Hillary is infinitely qualified, certainly as much as any man elected before. As for honesty: probably Jimmy Carter tops her---and look what they did to him at the time.

tazkcmo

(7,286 posts)
39. Haven't you heard?
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 03:28 PM
Aug 2016

We've moved on to questioning Sen. Sanders' integrity now. Apparently the primary is still on.

William769

(55,124 posts)
41. Theres many peoples honesty I question. Still do to this day.
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 03:36 PM
Aug 2016

It's just some people can never be forgiven for what they said.

Luckily for us, Hillary is NOT one of those people.

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