2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBeen wondering why it's pivoting for Trump but flip-flopping for Hillary...
thought these were some sound points on the difference:
AUGUST 20, 2016 JENNYSAUL
More great points from Susan Bordo.
With Trump, the media inhabits the postmodern world of performance and image, in which the relevant question is rarely is what hes saying true or false? but how is it playing? In this world, there is no real Trumpor more precisely, few people seem to care to distinguish the real from the image. There are only a series of performances, reboots, resets, and pivots which will be sustainable or not, will do the trick or not, will win the election or not
For other politiciansHillary most notablycomplete reversals are called flip-flops. Showing is contrasted to being transparent or authentic. And a pledge such as the one Donald made in his restyled speechI promise you this: I will always tell you the truthwould be met with laughter, derision, and disbelief. (He then went on to tell several liesor what, in the criteria applied to Hillary, would be described as liesincluding reference to her illegal email server.)
https://feministphilosophers.wordpress.com/2016/08/20/trumps-reboots-vs-clintons-flip-flops/
http://www.bordocrossings.com/single-post/2016/08/19/What%E2%80%99s-the-Difference-Between-%E2%80%9CRe-setting%E2%80%9D-and-Lying-According-to-Morning-Joe-Trump-Does-One-and-Hillary-Does-the-Other
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liberal N proud
(60,298 posts)nolabear
(41,915 posts)No, and no. But keep those bets coming!
mcar
(42,206 posts)I'm sure HRC's people are on it but the double standard is so obvious.
Botany
(70,288 posts).... competitive race and please keep watching as we put on panels of "experts" to
tell you that. But in reality it is mid August and Trump does not have a campaign office
in Cincinnati, OH, Trump's two nice campaign bosses have never run a single campaign,
and Trump gets his "news" from Breitbart which makes the National Enquirer look like
Scientific American.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Fucking maddening
DURHAM D
(32,595 posts)Boys set the rules.
Rule # 1 - Boys all allowed to judge girls unfairly.
Curtland1015
(4,404 posts)...and the media just gets behind it!
"Haha! Great! Lets see how this one works! Good luck Don!"
Native
(5,935 posts)With Trump it's been called a
"reset"
"retooling"
"reboot"
"pivot"
"the new look"
"the kind of Trump" (as in which kind of Trump)
"do over"
"complete reversal"
Vs. Hillary's LIES!
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)no other reason
betsuni
(25,122 posts)is an idiot. IDIOT. I can't stress this enough. IDIOT.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)mcar
(42,206 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)And a lower bar for Donald. Assholes.
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)SunSeeker
(51,367 posts)mgardener
(1,799 posts)Wonder why they say Hillary " lies" and Trump ?
They just report his "lies" but don't call them that.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)sofa king
(10,857 posts)Seriously, the difference in language used is not entirely in Trump's favor. Trump can reboot, reset, or pivot because a computer or a game console--or a fixed artillery piece--does not go anywhere, is fixed on its own center of gravity, and has no direction other than that assigned by outside forces.
On the other hand, something or someone that is actually going somewhere, like a gymmnast, can flip-flop or reverse.
tblue37
(64,979 posts)sofa king
(10,857 posts)Romney thought he could present right-wing racists with a fait accompli and they would have no choice but to vote for him, but a significant (yet small) percentage of them stayed home.
Trump went straight after the right-wing racists and alienated the Republicans who do the heavy intellectual lifting, who do the organizing, and who have all the money, which is why his campaign is an unending disaster. His absolutism and unwillingness to compromise makes it difficult or impossible for many people to publicly support him at this point, no matter what he says or does from this point forward.
Rather than an Etch-a-Sketch, Donald Trump's position is more like that of a jetliner that has lost power: he can point the plane any damned direction he wants to, but from here on out the primary direction it's going to go is down.
SunSeeker
(51,367 posts)Augiedog
(2,541 posts)on those who screw with said brotherhood. They all see themselves to one degree or another in Trumps image. Trump is exposing them to the one thing they cannot abide, ridicule. The MEDIA is the venue, the channel, the messenger. And we all know what happens to the messenger.
Pantagruelsmember
(106 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)And children can get away with things grownups can't.
pansypoo53219
(20,906 posts)see, its even stevens.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)That's how the media would play it.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)Glamrock
(11,781 posts)We can choose to attribute it to misogyny.
We can choose to attribute it to Hillary hate.
We can choose to attribute it to whatever personal pet outrage we desire. There may even be a little truth to some of those arguments. But, they would still be wrong.
They called John Kerry a flip flopper and gave W. a pass.
The list is endless. The fact is, there is a double standard. Has been ever since Reagan did away with the fairness doctrine. It got worse when someone passed the Telecommunication Act of 1996. We have serious, serious issues with our media that needs to be addressed. Ignoring the cause in favor of our own hot button issues ain't gonna fix it.
niyad
(112,431 posts)DFW
(54,050 posts)English "right wing fanatic" = Republicanese "conservative" (southern dialect: "conserv'tive"
English "conservative" = Republicanese "moderate Democrat"
English "Democratic" = Republicanese "Democrat" (southern dialect: "dem'crat"
English "there" = Republicanese "their"
English "their" = Republicanese "there"
English "they're" = Republicanese "there" or "their" (interchangeable as long as incorrect in English)
English "lose" = Republicanese "loose"
Formation of plurals:
English: usually add an "s" with a few exceptions for irregular nouns
Republicanese: use an apostrophe before adding an "s," should be done frequently, but at random
e.g. English: "He hates the Clintons" Republicanese: "He hates the Clinton's"