2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNational polls are tightening, but what is the Hillary Campaign doing about it?
Where are all the big guns? Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden, Barack Obama, Bernie Sanders, Michael Bloomberg, etc. In fact, where is Hillary Clinton?
They cannot let Trump dominate the media and have three days of good news because he can read a teleprompter and hasn't insulted anyone.
MineralMan
(146,262 posts)I don't think there is any reason for your concern, though. Polls are doing just fine, and Hillary Clinton's campaign is right on track. Be patient, and you'll see. That's my recommendation.
brooklynite
(94,384 posts)Doodley
(9,048 posts)Hillary had a convention bounce and I think a lot of that was because the heavy hitters came out for her. I agree with what you say, but feel the momentum could have been sustained.
Blue Idaho
(5,038 posts)She continues to widen the gap...
GoneOffShore
(17,337 posts)The last two general elections he has gotten it right.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)for a vacation!
Democat
(11,617 posts)There have been so many in the last few days.
I wonder why?
Doodley
(9,048 posts)and you will see I am certainly no troll.
mahina
(17,625 posts)Where the blue and the red lines met after Hillary was so far ahead.
For all that the Carter, Dukakis, Clinton, (took a break for Clinton's 2nd), Gore, Kerry, (after my guy Dean lost), Obama, and Obama campaigns all felt like the future of the world was wrapped up with our own outcome, this time it feels that way x 10. I know this jackass will do anything and everything to win, and so will his shitheel team, namely Bannon.
We take the high road, of course, but we can't just coast here.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)not to when faced with the possibility of a Trump presidency.
I have been supporting Hillary for president since 2007 and I have some concerns too.
For example, I don't know why she hasn't scheduled any campaign events in Iowa.
Ultimately, expressing concerns is part of staying engaged in the campaign and laying the groundwork for victory in November.
Democat
(11,617 posts)Since Trump did his "reset" we have been flooded with concern threads, many of which appear to be trying to undermine Clinton.
Separation
(1,975 posts)Undecided or neither. The people that say neither scare me the most. Those are the types of people that wont admit that they'll vote for Tump, but when alone in the booth they will.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)There a a hell of a lot of voters who are "undecided" who will never voter for Trump. Even republicans can see he should never be in the WH. Republicans are more likely to vote for Hillary once they get in the booth than Democrats to vote for Trump. Many republicans will also stay home and NOT vote because they can't voter for somebody as insane as Trump is.
Doodley
(9,048 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)The mocking may also happen if the concerns are merely alleged as such, yet are contained within a broader and consistent narrative of posting.
LAS14
(13,769 posts)... assuming sincerity. Otherwise we end up with a bland web site. And people with "concerns" don't get the info they crave.
Demsrule86
(68,504 posts)form of criticism...skirting the rules.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)There have also been a lot by some of our old posters who were against Obama, then the party as a whole, the switched to be against Hillary and used a scorched earth policy on here during the primaries, left because they "claimed" they would be purged, went to JPR where their hate for Hillary was accepted, and who now say they will never vote for Hillary but instead will vote for the green party, or is some cases have even said they will vote for Trump! It's like the primaries all over again, but now they have become "concerned" instead of calling all the sick names they used during the primary. I also think some of the new posters have come back with new names since the primaries.
Doodley
(9,048 posts)who has any concerns about the concern. Maybe everybody should only say things you want them to say.
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)My spouse is a historian, with an AbD degree (all but dissertation. Dropped out when it dawned that getting the PhD makes you just about unemployable in the real world.) We go back to the 'I Like Ike' times. And for both of us, this is the first time that we have been truly scared by an election.
Trump is such a danger to this country, to what is left of our form of Representative Democracy, to the American ideal. The Tea Party has made a mockery of the country that Roosevelt, Kennedy and the like tried to build. The idea of a Trump Presidency, with the Congress we have now would be the end of America as we have known it.
So, some of us need reassurance and that comes out as concern. It is NOT 'concern trolling'! It is the fact that Trump scares the living daylights out of us. I'm old enough to remember knowing people who had concentration camp tattoos on their arms. And I'm old enough to know that it really could happen here. And I realize that even when Trump loses it will take longer than I have left on this earth for the US to recover, if indeed it does manage to recover without major internal strife and violence.
So, pity us if you must, but knock off the automatic assumption that anyone who voices concern over the upcoming election is 'concern trolling'. I'm getting REALLY tired of that condescending assumption!
mythology
(9,527 posts)Clinton is substantially ahead in relevant state polling, she's widely winning a broad demographic coalition as opposed to white men without college degrees.
It's frustrating that people won't look at the totality of the information and instead cherry pick things to express concern over as if it's expected that up to election day will not have any fluctuations in some direct linear upward trend for Clinton.
None of these posts look at the entire process and larger trends. It's as silly as looking at the daily change in the stock market instead of change over time to decide if investing in the stock market is a good idea.
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)And I am not looking at the daily change. And I know that the trends are staying very healthy for Hillary. I know all that. But my stomach isn't going to settle down until the Electoral Congress votes.
Even then, we could see violence in the streets, since Trump supporters are being told again and again that 'the only way Trump loses is if the elections are rigged' and Trump is telling them to get out there and 'poll watch' to make sure there isn't any cheating. And just where do you suppose those 'Trump Poll Watchers' will be watching? In the affluent white suburbs? Or in the mainly black, latino, minority precincts? Can you say 'voter intimidation'?
So allow us anxious old farts to be anxious. Instead of condescending to us, or calling us 'silly' or 'stupid' or 'concern trolls', how about showing just a little of the empathy that y'all claim Trump lacks.
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Laffy Kat
(16,373 posts)Welcome Doodley!
Doodley
(9,048 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,373 posts)Do what I do and take time-outs in the Lounge. Might wait until next Happy Hour, though.
obamanut2012
(26,047 posts)BlueInPhilly
(870 posts)I have been a DU member since 2005 and do not post as much as others.
Doodley
(9,048 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)LAS14
(13,769 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)with the first debate coming Monday, September 26, 2016......I still don't see trump doing it and he will use every excuse in the book to backout....
he can not operate in a controlled debate environment with a female adversary who isn't afraid or intimidated by him.. He has zero grasp of facts....his only recourse is personal attacks on hillary centered on the clinton foundation and email server.....neither is an issue to votes
so, national polls now....secondary to individual state polls
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Doodley
(9,048 posts)Separation
(1,975 posts)Then again I have read a few articles stating that Hillary is having a hard time finding a practice sparring partner. The debate is just like a fight, when you are in training for a fight you spar with people that are technically like the person you are going to fight. So while she is preparing for the debate she must practice with people that can mimic Trump. Other than sparring with a 14 year old who was just suspended for bullying a kid, I'm not sure how she would prepare for him.
With that being said though, I'm not all that really worried aboot it! She will clean his clock, and I would love for him to drop out after the first debate, leaving Pence with his Johnson in his hands.
Demsrule86
(68,504 posts)LAS14
(13,769 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)The polls are very likely going to tighten. They always do. But even if Trump behaves like a choir boy from now on out, there are plenty of videos to remind people who are just starting to pay attention about the true nature of this narcissistic, egotistical, racist excuse for candidate.
We just have to make sure that Hillary's campaign has the funding to air those commercials. Dig deep and donate to the cause. Give now or suffer later.
Doodley
(9,048 posts)mercuryblues
(14,525 posts)idea of Warren, Biden, Obama, et al taking a break. As stated it is early yet and not many are paying attention. The only thing that will accomplish is letting Trump devise a way to respond, without the bigoted insults.
Right now, trump is in the middle of some gigantic flip flopping and pissing off his base. When your competition is digging his own grave, don't distract him.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Demsrule86
(68,504 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)mcar
(42,278 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Thank you!!
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)Trump with "good days" - Hillary's playing the long ground game, which you don't always see on TV. If you would get out and about and actually participate in her campaign, you would see for yourself. She's "got" it.
helpisontheway
(5,005 posts)anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)Doodley
(9,048 posts)mock anyone who has concerns about a fascist possibly getting his hands on the nuclear codes, then don't bother replying.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)you were referring to when you were articulating your concern that Trump was leading/national polls were "tightening" and now you are criticizing me for "mocking" you, telling me to "not bother replying" when I asked a perfectly reasonable question given the excellent criticisms of this poll by other DUers who know a hell of a lot about good vs bad polling (not myself). This poll has been a notorious outlier and has very dubious, "voodoo" methodology.
Saying that things "seem" to be going a certain way and lashing out at other DUers (who certainly do not want a fascist near the nuclear codes as you put it) over one idiotic poll (and I say idiotic because its own methodology is based on odd guesswork that seems to be designed to allow the pollsters to come up with "shocking," attention-grabbing, click-bait results) just doesn't seem constructive so I asked you a legitimate question about which other polls concerned you, which polls were showing specifically a Trump lead. And yes of course I know Silver's site very well as I have been a member of DU for twelve years, and his site obviously and deservedly gained stature and respect during the current president's campaigns.
Of course the crucial polls are the battleground state polls, and those continue to look strong for our candidate. I am just starting to look at today's updated state polls, and I see that Hillary is up by double-digits in Virginia for just one example.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)LAS14
(13,769 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)where she is doing quite well- particularly in swing states.
FSogol
(45,456 posts)finishing up summer and getting ready to go back to school.
It's kind of a waste of time right now, but after Labor day I am sure there will be all kinds of events with president Obama, Biden, Bernie, Warren, and many others. I think way to many people worry to much, and should enjoy the last days of summer instead of being over concerned about things.
treestar
(82,383 posts)People are on vacation and getting ready to go back to school. It is just absurd to have this concern. The campaign is likely using this time to get ready for Sept. and Oct.
4lbs
(6,831 posts)by September because of the microwave memories of the general US public and the MSM.
Wait until late September and October.
EDIT:
Oh, and Bloomberg will mostly help only in New York and New Jersey.
Last we saw, Hillary was +30 in New York and +21 in New Jersey.
His help, while appreciated during the DNC, really isn't needed.
Doodley
(9,048 posts)from a new angle might water down the media attention that is getting.
4lbs
(6,831 posts)Meanwhile, Trump keeps cancelling his "big" speeches on immigration.
liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)Get out, and get involved in the campaign. Volunteer to make calls, and canvass.
Edit:
Hillary's campaign staff are eagerly waiting your service.
mahina
(17,625 posts)There's no canvassing going on, but I will phone bank, thank you for the reminder.
Maybe part of my tension is because I am not doing the work for this campaign yet. I agree, it's time.
stopbush
(24,393 posts)Any D who has been around long enough to have supported D candidates who had little or no chance against the R candidate for POTUS are absolutely basking in the luxury we are enjoying this year of having a great candidate running against a jerk that the public is rejecting faster than a prescription for a shredded-glass enema.
I can only assume that not having a real battle on our hands leads to a complacency that allows us to imagine we're in danger of losing when we're actually killing it. The idea that "somthing needs to change" about the way one of the most-successful presidential campaigns is being run is not only misplaced but counter productive.
MFM008
(19,803 posts)That the steaming pile of crap can get his dumb ass on TV on a daily basis and say nothing. Just get the FREE media coverage. No matter what the jellyfish says the MSM will cover it as gospel.
stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)Doodley
(9,048 posts)concern.
cloudythescribbler
(2,586 posts)There is a very low tolerance on DU these days not only of criticism, but of even news that isn't all rosy for the national Democratic ticket. This is not healthy
stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)This is concerning!
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)how many more "hair-on-fire" posts we will see between now and election day.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)that should help you understand what the GOP in congress is up to re: Emails...
It is a start - to understanding the twisted minds of those who are trying to make something out of Hills testimony re emails..
be well..your concern is noted....remember - the electorate, and the individual states as was noted at 538....-
oswaldactedalone
(3,490 posts)and you should be, too. What is my post count?
cloudythescribbler
(2,586 posts)With the kind of behavior we have seen from Trump, the election shouldn't be remotely competitive and it is
A lot of this has to do with incredible Hillary-bashing over the years, from across the political spectrum. I strongly supported Obama in the 07-08 primary season, and Bernie in 16, but it seems SOME neoliberals (Gore in 2000 and Hillary in 2016) seem to get savaged, eg by the left, in ways that Bill Clinton never was (other than from the right as always) and Obama, and even Kerry (tho the flipflop canard was given all-too-much play for months and months before being belatedly deflated when it was too late).
It is interesting that no one sees Arkansas as remotely competitive in this election year, apparently a realistic assessment
At any rate, the track record has been such that even a normalization of the Trump campaign (by Republican standards of "normalization" could really create a massive political hazard. I already would be totally unsurprised if (even if he loses) Trump manages to carry both Ohio and Florida, among other swing states
The very cliche of "concern thread" is yet another reflection of that same smugness that leads to dissing & dismissing the Bernie base, whose every vote may be needed. (I posted one reputable (Economist/YouGov) poll that found Hillary not getting anywhere NEAR the 90% figure of Bernie's voters that is routinely bandied about, and it got iced by jury vote.) And my comments were, as always for me, in no way incendiary.
I hope that all my sneerable concern proves to be unnecessary in Nov
Thrill
(19,178 posts)The latest poll has her up 8 points. Which is huge in a Presidential election. Especially after conventions
DFW
(54,302 posts)Take ANY Trump public appearance in the last month, and compare it with Hillary's appearance on Jimmy Kimmel's show tonight (links elsewhere on DU). That should give you an idea who's running scared and who's running smoothly.
Hillary was very conservative (original English definition, not Foxese) with her responses, didn't spend her time obsessing about Trump. She didn't shy away from the subject, but didn't lay herself open for any clips the Republicans can use in some future attack ad.
She also has Howard advising her in the background, and Howard knows not only the ropes, but where all the weak points (both hers and Trump's) are, and can help guide her through the minefield.
Don't forget that ANY Republican ticket automatically gets somewhere between 40% and 45% of the vote even if that ticket consists of Hitler's ghost for President with George of the Jungle as his running mate. That's what we get for allowing Fox Noise to pollute our airwaves for 20 years, with National Hate Radio taking up the slack in areas where people spend more time in their vehicles than out of them.
But this is not 2000. Yes, there will be some peripheral parties fielding candidates, but Bernie Sanders wisely saw that all Ralph Nader got in 2000 from Cheney was a nod and a "now fuck off!" Sanders has earned a place at the table, and Hillary will give it to him. She won't be his hostage, but I doubt Sanders will be looking to make her into one, either. I figure he'll say, "you owe me," and she'll say "I certainly do." He will actively campaign FOR the Democrats, not against them.
Without a serious third party distraction or some well-financed Republican move of questionable legality or the "2nd Amendment" variety, the map of the electoral votes is looking good. Not yet dancing-in-the-streets good, but getting there. Does Trump have Alabama, Mississippi and Idaho sewn up? Sure. Probably here in Texas, too, although a few more insulting Trump farts bashing women, Hispanics and black folks, and even that might tip our way.
Short of someone feeding Trump Prozac (or Pence amphetamines) in the near future, don't look for their demeanor to change. If it does, THEN worry.
obamanut2012
(26,047 posts)yellowcanine
(35,694 posts)Wednesdays
(17,321 posts)nt
brooklynite
(94,384 posts)relax...
a kennedy
(29,618 posts)betsuni
(25,384 posts)Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Polls are static.
JustAnotherGen
(31,783 posts)Volunteer. Make phone calls. Knock on doors. Put up a yard sign. Sign up people to vote. Volunteer to take people to the polls.
Trump does not have a ground game. He doesn't. We do. It gets better when we get to doing.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"...what is the Hillary Campaign doing about it?"
Studiously campaigning in an efficient and effective manner through outreach, get-out-the-vote drives, fund-raising, and full embrace of the Obama administration.
"In fact, where is Hillary Clinton...?"
Trumpeting her jobs plan in Cleveland on the 17th and moving throughout the industrial northeast in the days since for regional stump speeches, as well as launching a new ad campaign. I'd imagine that should you choose to look, you too could easily and conveniently find out where, what and why the supporting cast you referenced have been doing as well.
"National polls are tightening..."
And, as she is not merely maintaining, but widening her lead in the polls, as Trump has had modest gains in some areas (NV and IA), he's losing much more in others which are critical (FL, VA, and OH).
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Please, go on...