Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
31 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Question..Is Assange part of the alt right movement? (Original Post) Peacetrain Aug 2016 OP
I think the Donald has probably offered him a deal in exchange for digging up dirt on HRC n/t reznor73 Aug 2016 #1
wow... that makes sense in a weird way Peacetrain Aug 2016 #2
I wouldn't be surprised if we find that this is indeed true. unitedwethrive Aug 2016 #16
If he's not part of it, then he's one of it's ardent supporters. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #3
Don't think so. He's far left, and I've read him Hortensis Aug 2016 #4
Don't think he's far left anymore. He's in cahoots with Putin and Trump to defeat Clinton brush Aug 2016 #8
"Off the deep end" -- exactly. He seems activated Hortensis Aug 2016 #9
Greenwald certainly is... Blue_Tires Aug 2016 #5
He's not popular with the Military Industrial Complex, that's for sure. jalan48 Aug 2016 #6
I would imagine gays aren't liking him too leftynyc Aug 2016 #12
He's no hero MFM008 Aug 2016 #27
Time will tell. jalan48 Aug 2016 #30
Yes Johnny2X2X Aug 2016 #7
Always has been. Check out his history with Cryptome, and his alliance msanthrope Aug 2016 #10
Lots of seemingly paid trolls interested in him. So be careful. Festivito Aug 2016 #11
Oh good grief. ucrdem Aug 2016 #14
A proponent of the full and whole truth, I'd say. Good grief not withstanding. Festivito Aug 2016 #15
The effect of "Climategate," which Assange here takes credit for, was to help climate change deniers ucrdem Aug 2016 #17
He's become the darling of the Alt-Right crowd. He's well loved by neo-Nazi's too. grossproffit Aug 2016 #18
He is white for which some will automatically like him -- whether he likes them, or not. Festivito Aug 2016 #19
Google Skidmore Aug 2016 #13
I think he feels persecuted by the US gov't and associates Obama and Clinton with that, for starts Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #20
No, but he's happy to hold hands with them to elect a fascist. baldguy Aug 2016 #21
Yes, he is siding with the right racist crowd these days Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #22
I consider him part of the Alt Reality movement. BobbyDrake Aug 2016 #23
I would offer this explanation for his motivations instead mythology Aug 2016 #24
Any Assange fanboys still want to defend their icon after last night? Blue_Tires Aug 2016 #25
What difference does it make? He's an asshole. randome Aug 2016 #26
Another foreigner involved in disrupting our political process for who's gain??? Historic NY Aug 2016 #28
No. He just hates Hillary. DetlefK Aug 2016 #29
Please don't use "alt right" anymore- It isn't a thing, it isn't a term, it is stupid and should die snooper2 Aug 2016 #31
 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
3. If he's not part of it, then he's one of it's ardent supporters.
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 12:35 PM
Aug 2016

But I'm pretty sure antisemites fall under that category.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. Don't think so. He's far left, and I've read him
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 12:42 PM
Aug 2016

described as an anarcho-libertarian. Of course, extremists on both left and right behave alike in so many ways that it can be hard to tell the difference, especially when a left-winger is making antisemitic noise, and he's hardly the only one on the far left doing that.

brush

(53,765 posts)
8. Don't think he's far left anymore. He's in cahoots with Putin and Trump to defeat Clinton
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 01:35 PM
Aug 2016

And he outed gays in a recent release of info. The guy seems to have gone off the deep end with his grude against Clinton.

He's not to be trusted anymore as he's actively working to damage Clinton and thus help Trump, who just bought on a white supremacist to head-up his campaign, get elected.

I wouldn't call that far left at all.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. "Off the deep end" -- exactly. He seems activated
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 02:02 PM
Aug 2016

mostly by resentments and malice, hyped up by "restyling" reality to maximize them, all typical of frustrated extremists. He's imprisoned in an embassy, forced guest of people he doesn't like and who don't like him, while Hillary waves cheerily from the TV and seems about to become President of the United States. (Poor guy!)

Assange's cozying up with right-wingers seems no contradiction to me. Fars on both left and right understand each other and often work together (always briefly--neither good at cooperation) or switch allegiances without requiring personality transplants. For both, their opposites aren't each other but rather the great mass of non-extremist people they both tend to despise.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
5. Greenwald certainly is...
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 12:59 PM
Aug 2016

Assange also hasa lot of overlap and mutual goals with the movement, but I don't think he's a part of it...

jalan48

(13,859 posts)
6. He's not popular with the Military Industrial Complex, that's for sure.
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 01:10 PM
Aug 2016

They didn't like him exposing their killing of innocent civilians in Iraq in our fight for "Freedom".

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
12. I would imagine gays aren't liking him too
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 03:04 PM
Aug 2016

much these days either....with him outing them in countries where they could get killed.

MFM008

(19,805 posts)
27. He's no hero
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 08:52 AM
Aug 2016

He's a cowering probable rapist trying to buy his way out of the Ecuadorian embassy by actively working with trump and the former KGB.
He can stuff his stolen information up his top secret ass.

Johnny2X2X

(19,041 posts)
7. Yes
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 01:16 PM
Aug 2016

After what he did to gays recently, he's a monster. Gays are dying and being tortured right now because of Assange.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
11. Lots of seemingly paid trolls interested in him. So be careful.
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 02:40 PM
Aug 2016

Lots of one line posts, folksy and sure. Usually calling names and referring to things with no links, or linking and the links do not reflect the initial opinion. That kind of stuff gets complicated.

He is in a dire spot. He could make a deal with Trump. But, I would not trust Trump. Who knows tho.

I think he likes transparency. Transparency would lead to the people making better faster choices which sounds liberating and anarchic in the way new facts can quickly change governance.

I think his enemies are those who make a lot of money off our tax dollars and resources. And, they have a lot of money. LOTS!

I think he likes Bernie a hundred times better than Hillary. But, would like Hillary 10,000 times better than Trump. Then again, he's Australian and might not mind if the US drops into the abyss of nearly 300 year old empires.

He did, however say that if he was handed secret information on Trump, he would publish that too.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
14. Oh good grief.
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 03:08 PM
Aug 2016

If a troll is a creature who makes a living propagating RW memes s/he knows to be false, what does that make CRU-email "leaker" Assange?



Festivito

(13,452 posts)
15. A proponent of the full and whole truth, I'd say. Good grief not withstanding.
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 03:56 PM
Aug 2016

Assange leaked all the stuff that shows the right-wing meme of climate denial to be untrue. The idea that we should not release a lot of info because someone might pick and choose and create a false meme, is not a valuable approach to this life, by me.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
17. The effect of "Climategate," which Assange here takes credit for, was to help climate change deniers
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 04:09 PM
Aug 2016

scuttle the 2009 Copenhagen climate accord. It took six years to get back to that point, at Paris, and the Paris accords are weaker. If that's your "truth" then Jules is your guy.

grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
18. He's become the darling of the Alt-Right crowd. He's well loved by neo-Nazi's too.
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 04:11 PM
Aug 2016

He's a piece of shit.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
19. He is white for which some will automatically like him -- whether he likes them, or not.
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 04:25 PM
Aug 2016

Going with Hillary we would lose 20% or such of Bernie supporters who wanted an upsetting change.

Going with third way, DNC, Hillary we would also gain some percentage of Republican voters.

It's over and done. Some left, some came on board.

The alt-right want that upset the apple cart change and are still hopeful it will happen. I'm not in their tank. As for my view of Assange, my first post remains the same.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
20. I think he feels persecuted by the US gov't and associates Obama and Clinton with that, for starts
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 04:57 PM
Aug 2016

Two, I think he has made some kind of deal, either through convenience or what, with Putin.

Three, he's shown himself to be a bit of an anti-Semite, to say the least.

But I'm not sure if that alone puts him in the "alt-right"; he does not seem to be motivated by ideology other than originally pursuing transparency and now pursuing revenge on the people he thinks have stuck him in the ecuadoran embassy.

So, probably no. It doesn't mean he's not an asshole, but I don't think that he's pursuing the great Aryan dream or something.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
22. Yes, he is siding with the right racist crowd these days
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 07:04 AM
Aug 2016

Trump probably promised him not to send him to prison forever.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
23. I consider him part of the Alt Reality movement.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 07:07 AM
Aug 2016

Where "privacy" means having your personal information exposed by him as part of his personal vendettas.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
24. I would offer this explanation for his motivations instead
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 08:32 AM
Aug 2016

He's a narcissist, driven by his own ego. He wants power not transparency. That's why he's cowering in an embassy hiding from taking responsibility for being a rapist. He even invented a needlessly complicated conspiracy theory that somehow the U.S. government got Sweden to agree to an extradition, but either couldn't get the U.K. to agree to it, or perhaps more sneakily got the U.K. to let him stay there for years, go through the U.K. court system so we could extradite him from Sweden instead. Because logic.

He can't imagine a world in which he's not right, so he doesn't actually believe that transparency should apply to him.

In this case, I think he comes across as siding with the alt-right because they are not in power and so he's "striking a blow for the weak" (as his addled brain sees it) and that happens to coincide with the goals of the alt-right. But I don't think Assange actually cares who he helps or hurts as long as it feeds his ego.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
26. What difference does it make? He's an asshole.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 08:41 AM
Aug 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"
[/center][/font][hr]

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
28. Another foreigner involved in disrupting our political process for who's gain???
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 08:57 AM
Aug 2016

Unless he get his jollies.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
29. No. He just hates Hillary.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 09:02 AM
Aug 2016

He's against US-imperialism blablabla. But he doesn't care about helping a fascist rise to power. Just like Wikileaks doesn't care about who suffers because of their leaks.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
31. Please don't use "alt right" anymore- It isn't a thing, it isn't a term, it is stupid and should die
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 11:12 AM
Aug 2016

I was even hesitant to use it in my title....

No more stupid memes, we have plenty

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Question..Is Assange part...