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WiffenPoof

(2,404 posts)
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 06:20 PM Aug 2016

Am I The Only One....Hillary's Speech

Last edited Thu Aug 25, 2016, 10:01 PM - Edit history (2)

Am I the only one who thought that Hillary's speech was not exactly her best.

Let me clarify.

After listening to the craziness of Trump's speech, I needed to hear some sort of hard-hitting speech that would fully counter everything that Trump said. Yes, she did touch on most of the points, countering many of them.

Maybe I'm beginning to get really frightened of the idea that Donald Trump may actually have a chance. I'm not sure what I wanted to hear from Hillary. I just know that Trump's crowds are always large and he is applying a method of messaging that purposely confuses the listener, making any complete understanding of the Trump position impossible to nail down. This is dangerous. How do you counter crazy?

I'm just worried, that's all.

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ON EDIT
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Of course, we want reasoned and calm response to the craziness of Trump.

However...I'm saying that it doesn't necessarily work against "crazy." That's all.


On Edit:
Yes...to you and I, her speech made complete sense. But that is you and I and not necessarily the person in the middle that believes some or all of the Trump message.

On Edit 2:
After hearing Trump (who keeps raising the "crazy bar&quot - I was so pissed that my initial reaction was to fight fire with fire. I wanted him to be taken down.

On Edit 3:
I guess I just wanted her to be angry. I have seen Hillary angry and I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end. I know I was projecting. It is all my fear...Just can't imagine someone like Trump carrying the football.

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Okay..it is several hours later and I've read through the responses. How many ways do I have to say it!? I was wrong in my assessment of her speech. My anger towards Trump tainted my view of how I feel he should be handled. Yes...you are absolutely correct. A calm response is the best response.

Geeze, you would think I was some sort of Right Wing nut case by reading the responses. This is just further evidence that:

1) The written word is so easily misunderstood (without inflection and body language)
2) This place has changed.

-Paige

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Am I The Only One....Hillary's Speech (Original Post) WiffenPoof Aug 2016 OP
Yes nt DURHAM D Aug 2016 #1
Well, since you asked NastyRiffraff Aug 2016 #2
probably bravenak Aug 2016 #3
Yes. Yes you are. charlyvi Aug 2016 #4
She countered his shrill, maniacal nonsensical gibberish with calm and reasonable facts Siwsan Aug 2016 #5
There's no shame in being worried, but Hillary's speech was just fine. A calm... Curtland1015 Aug 2016 #6
yes you are - n/t lapfog_1 Aug 2016 #7
We don't need equally crazy on the left to balance ginnyinWI Aug 2016 #8
Yes. nt msanthrope Aug 2016 #9
She described his "alt-right" statements and alliances extremely well. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #10
yes you are rbrnmw Aug 2016 #11
Based on this thread it appears you are the only one still_one Aug 2016 #12
Her speech has derailed the short fingered vulgarian's efforts .... etherealtruth Aug 2016 #13
In Response... WiffenPoof Aug 2016 #14
Yes you are. sheshe2 Aug 2016 #15
She was appealing to the rational in us too. That I thought was why she was not yelling. applegrove Aug 2016 #16
how are you supposed to react MFM008 Aug 2016 #17
Uh huh mcar Aug 2016 #18
I thought she was great. She was calm, deliberate and livetohike Aug 2016 #19
It is just you. MoonRiver Aug 2016 #20
I reckon you are the only one GusBob Aug 2016 #21
Please stop. (Thank you.) NurseJackie Aug 2016 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Aug 2016 #23
This was one of Hillary's authentic voice speeches. flor-de-jasmim Aug 2016 #24
Ok...I was wrong WiffenPoof Aug 2016 #25
You are right to be concerned jambo101 Aug 2016 #26
From everything I've heard and seen, yes, you ARE the only one. eom MohRokTah Aug 2016 #27
It's getting silly, isn't it? NurseJackie Aug 2016 #28
It was about getting under his skin RandySF Aug 2016 #29
Did you even have to ask? Loki Aug 2016 #30
It was a wonderful speech Onlooker Aug 2016 #31
yes you are. winstars Aug 2016 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author MichiganVote Aug 2016 #33
This speech absolutely needed to be given and given by her phleshdef Aug 2016 #34
Fighting fire with fire relayerbob Aug 2016 #35
Another "On Edit" WiffenPoof Aug 2016 #36
You are one of the few. Most of us agreed with the tweet that said Hillary shot a campaign in Reno pnwmom Aug 2016 #37
Yes...I saw that...loved it. WiffenPoof Aug 2016 #39
I admit that I didn't immediately get the Johnny Cash reference, but plenty of others did. pnwmom Aug 2016 #40
I Think It Helps... WiffenPoof Aug 2016 #41
Her tone was purposeful. She shamed Trump w/o lumping Republicans in with him. grossproffit Aug 2016 #38
It was an important speech to give. I think her goal today was to make voters aware of who Trump... Princess Turandot Aug 2016 #42
Yes, you were wrong in BlueMTexpat Aug 2016 #43
I thought it wad perfect. Adrahil Aug 2016 #44

Siwsan

(26,259 posts)
5. She countered his shrill, maniacal nonsensical gibberish with calm and reasonable facts
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 06:29 PM
Aug 2016

I thought it was hard hitting. She called him out for what he and his minions are, and pulled no punches in doing so.

Curtland1015

(4,404 posts)
6. There's no shame in being worried, but Hillary's speech was just fine. A calm...
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 06:30 PM
Aug 2016

...measured tone was just the exact right tact to take when countering all that hateful craziness.

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
8. We don't need equally crazy on the left to balance
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 06:32 PM
Aug 2016

the craziness on the right. We need sanity.

If a kid is having a tantrum, the mom shouldn't shout equally loud. Just assert authority and reason. And send him to his room!

I don't listen to a lot of HRC's speeches but did catch this one. (Don't have cable so had to get C-Span on the computer). I thought it was entertaining. Made me laugh. But didn't make me want to jump up and down and hoot! (good thing)

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
10. She described his "alt-right" statements and alliances extremely well.
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 06:36 PM
Aug 2016

It won't help draw in the Trump supporting idiots who believe that stuff, but it should help attract some reasonable moderates and perhaps even some long-time Republicans.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
13. Her speech has derailed the short fingered vulgarian's efforts ....
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 06:42 PM
Aug 2016

... to appear less a racist and somewhat sane.

She pushed the narcissist's buttons and set off a cascade of unhinged tweets and interviews .....


Successful in my mind

WiffenPoof

(2,404 posts)
14. In Response...
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 06:44 PM
Aug 2016

Of course, we want reasoned and calm response to the craziness of Trump.

However...I'm saying that it doesn't necessarily work against "crazy." That's all.


On Edit:
Yes...to you and I, her speech made complete sense. But that is you and I and not necessarily the person in the middle that believes some or all of the Trump message.

On Edit 2:
After hearing Trump (who keeps raising the "crazy bar&quot - I was so pissed that my initial reaction was to fight fire with fire. I wanted him to be taken down.

On Edit 3:
I guess I just wanted her to be angry. I have seen Hillary angry and I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end. I know I was projecting. It is all my fear...Just can't imagine someone like Trump carrying the football.

applegrove

(118,617 posts)
16. She was appealing to the rational in us too. That I thought was why she was not yelling.
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 06:47 PM
Aug 2016

It was a serious speech.

MFM008

(19,805 posts)
17. how are you supposed to react
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 07:09 PM
Aug 2016

to some syphilitic spaz screaming your a " bigot " at a bunch of lily white fat white republicans?

Let it sit?

livetohike

(22,138 posts)
19. I thought she was great. She was calm, deliberate and
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 07:13 PM
Aug 2016

gave examples why Trump is unfit to lead. Sad that the media can't do their job and Hillary had to make this speech.

Response to WiffenPoof (Original post)

flor-de-jasmim

(2,125 posts)
24. This was one of Hillary's authentic voice speeches.
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 07:46 PM
Aug 2016

She sounded better than probably ever to me. When the world is crazy, the Prez needs to be calm. Just ask Prez Obama!

jambo101

(797 posts)
26. You are right to be concerned
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 07:52 PM
Aug 2016

Hillaries speech was fine but there are a lot of people who like Trump,while polls put Hillary ahead its still not beyond the realms of possibility that Trump could get elected. what bothers me about that likelihood is that it would mean the majority of Americas voting public are rightwing Trumpests,They will destroy the country.

RandySF

(58,763 posts)
29. It was about getting under his skin
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 07:57 PM
Aug 2016

And it worked. She's going to poke the bear from now until November.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
31. It was a wonderful speech
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 08:15 PM
Aug 2016

She not only made a superb progressive speech that relied heavily on facts, she presented herself in a calm and rational way, a wonderful contrast to Trump. Trump is the better hysteric. I think that's something Hillary is willing to concede to him.

Response to WiffenPoof (Original post)

WiffenPoof

(2,404 posts)
36. Another "On Edit"
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 10:02 PM
Aug 2016

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ON EDIT
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Okay..it is several hours later and I've read through the responses. How many ways do I have to say it!? I was wrong in my assessment of her speech. My anger towards Trump tainted my view of how I feel he should be handled. Yes...you are absolutely correct. A calm response is the best response.

Geeze, you would think I was some sort of Right Wing nut case by reading the responses. This is just further evidence that:

1) The written word is so easily misunderstood (without inflection and body language)
2) This place has changed.

I'm sorry if I offended you.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
37. You are one of the few. Most of us agreed with the tweet that said Hillary shot a campaign in Reno
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 10:24 PM
Aug 2016

just to watch it die.

All the comments can be read here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512383926

The original blog:

https://www.balloon-juice.com/2016/08/25/hillary-clintons-alt-right-speech-in-nevada/

She burned the fucking Trump campaign to the ground and pissed on the ashes — in a remarkably ladylike fashion. Then she scooped up the piss-soaked ashes with a trowel, loaded them into a clown cannon and shot them into a toxic waste dump. Then she hopped into a fighter jet and strafed the dump. Then she took a space shuttle out of mothballs, strapped a nuclear warhead into it, flew up to the fucking International Space Station and then nuked the piss-soaked ashes of the dumped, bullet-ridden campaign from orbit.

SNIP

WiffenPoof

(2,404 posts)
41. I Think It Helps...
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 11:29 PM
Aug 2016

...to be a certain age. Although it does come from arguably his most popular song.

Princess Turandot

(4,787 posts)
42. It was an important speech to give. I think her goal today was to make voters aware of who Trump...
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 12:41 AM
Aug 2016

really is, rather than angrily condemning his actions.

Unless one spends a great deal of time online, and spends a lot of that time reading political sites/social commentary, there's a good chance that they may not completely know what is going on with him. Breitbart.com is not as big of a household name as some may assume it is. While I know what their shtick is, I've personally looked at the site maybe three times altogether. I knew about Andrew Breitbart from here and other sites, of course, but I couldn't have previously named the current publisher, Bannon, if my life depended upon it.

I'm not really sure how many people even knew who David Duke was at this point, especially if they are younger voters who are not from the south. The KKK has not been the frequent subject of national news in a long time. Most of the 'modern' Kluckers 'transitioned' to 'white nationalist' groups, in a sorry-ass attempt to rebrand themselves as something other than thugs consumed by hate. (I suspect that younger voters are far more familiar with the Westboro Baptist Church cretins than they are with the current KKK).

So, I think that it was important for her to spell out exactly whom Trump has allied himself with, and to do so in a calm, instructive way. And since racism and bigotry should condemn themselves, at least to any truly decent person who knows what Trump is doing, she brought up those remarks by assorted past Republicans as a way of throwing down at the current Republican 'leaders' who, so far, seem perfectly willing to court catastrophe to take the presidency.

And I thought that she did it great.

BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
43. Yes, you were wrong in
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 06:33 AM
Aug 2016

your original assessment of Hillary's speech.

You need not be so concerned. Hillary's doing her part, and doing it well.

The rest is up to us.

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