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Native

(5,942 posts)
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 08:52 PM Aug 2016

Debbie Wasserman Schultz defeats Tim Canova in CD 23, wins another term

In one of the most closely observed congressional primaries in the nation, Debbie Wasserman Schultz has defeated her Democratic Party challenger, law professor Tim Canova, to win another two-year term in Florida’s 23rd Congressional District.

Though all the votes have not been counted, Wasserman Schultz has the victory in hand, leading 58 percent to 42 percent.

Wasserman Schultz has held her suburban Fort Lauderdale-based seat since 2004 and had never been challenged in a primary election until Canova’s emergence this year.

But while her reputation might have been wounded nationally, the sentiments inside CD 23 were quite different. And national Democratic leaders such as Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, and John Lewis all traveled to Miami to campaign for her — while Sanders opted not to do the same for Canova.


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Debbie Wasserman Schultz defeats Tim Canova in CD 23, wins another term (Original Post) Native Aug 2016 OP
Good for her mcar Aug 2016 #1
This was pretty much a foregone conclusion, which is why I think Sanders stayed away. nt Tarheel_Dem Aug 2016 #2
I thought this was a primary. Is she running unopposed in Nov? stopbush Aug 2016 #3
A Republican would never get elected here. Native Aug 2016 #4
Actually there was a GOP primary in her district, the first in a long time. So she will.... jg10003 Aug 2016 #16
Here? :) Thanks for the local input, Jg10003. Hortensis Aug 2016 #36
She won't lose the seat Canova might have. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #26
Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author BobbyDrake Aug 2016 #7
K&R! stonecutter357 Aug 2016 #6
Blue Dog Dems SHRED Aug 2016 #8
From my perspective... LenaBaby61 Aug 2016 #9
I'm not a fan of hers bluestateguy Aug 2016 #10
Glad to hear this! skylucy Aug 2016 #11
Whew! What a relief! ~~ I guess it wasn't as close as some here expected it to be ... NurseJackie Aug 2016 #12
So much for the revolution bigdarryl Aug 2016 #13
Yeah, the Atlantic has a piece about that - how the revolution failed Tim Canova Native Aug 2016 #14
Really? the 'revolution' does not depend on one House candidate in one Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #28
Absolutely. My only difference is in how "we" are Hortensis Aug 2016 #38
This makes no sense. George Eliot Aug 2016 #43
It was said simply, if you had issues with understanding what was said, then it's you that synergie Aug 2016 #45
All answers are responses. Not all responses are answers. His was but a clever reponse LanternWaste Aug 2016 #54
Many people pretend one data point makes a measurement. LanternWaste Aug 2016 #53
Pay Day lenders are rejoicing CentralMass Aug 2016 #15
One House member alone won't keep it alive. LiberalFighter Aug 2016 #51
As are democratic constituents in CD23. Must be tough for an irrational mind to reconcile both LanternWaste Aug 2016 #55
I liked her opponent way better. hollowdweller Aug 2016 #17
That guy who was such a sore loser that he lacked the grace or class to concede with dignity? synergie Aug 2016 #46
He confirmed his lack of fitness for the job. Blue Idaho Aug 2016 #49
Indeed. synergie Aug 2016 #50
Ugh I'm so fed up with the ego that leads candidates to avoid conceding. bettyellen Aug 2016 #56
Right? And no one bothered to comment on its prevalence! I fully expect that from Trumpie too. synergie Sep 2016 #59
K'n'R. ucrdem Aug 2016 #18
"good for her" - Really? Both Dems and you prefer the payday lender Dem? George Eliot Aug 2016 #19
That's exactly how I feel. Greensburg724 Aug 2016 #22
Yes they do and Canova would have probaly have lost the General Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #24
Had the better Dem (Canova) unseated DWS, his chances would have been good. George Eliot Aug 2016 #42
What you say is true. Thinking that the celebrity had any standing here was incredibly politically synergie Aug 2016 #47
I and others you call politically naive/unwise predicted Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #52
If you really mean strong progressive, you should support one. George Eliot Sep 2016 #60
Republicans are not flipping this seat. Greensburg724 Aug 2016 #44
kick & recommended. William769 Aug 2016 #20
Great news ! Delighted for her. OnDoutside Aug 2016 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author B Calm Aug 2016 #41
Good Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #23
All the people with the sads over this only have themselves to thank. Starry Messenger Aug 2016 #25
And DWS should learn to follow the rules. We'll see how the lawsuits play out.... think Aug 2016 #27
I can tell you how they will play out... Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #29
DWS had to resign because of her actions. The lawsuits might not be won but it was clear what was think Aug 2016 #31
The primary is over. nt. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #57
Good luck with that.... think Aug 2016 #58
Like all the others, I'm confident. Starry Messenger Aug 2016 #30
I'm sure you are. Congratulations.... think Aug 2016 #32
I'm still vastly amused by all the folks who went all in on these bogus lawsuits. Starry Messenger Aug 2016 #33
Did you read the article where they found emails where DNC members conspired against Canova? think Aug 2016 #34
Nope. Starry Messenger Aug 2016 #35
I didn't like the guy anyway...he went on that crazy rightie show. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #37
If only some learning was possible, but there are so many for whom facts will never outweigh synergie Aug 2016 #48
Yeah Gothmog Aug 2016 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author B Calm Aug 2016 #40

jg10003

(976 posts)
16. Actually there was a GOP primary in her district, the first in a long time. So she will....
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 11:03 PM
Aug 2016

have a GOP opponent. However it doesn't matter since dems have a 3 to 1 advantage here.

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
12. Whew! What a relief! ~~ I guess it wasn't as close as some here expected it to be ...
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 09:48 PM
Aug 2016

... or hoped it would be.

Congratulations to DWS! With her experience, connections and political savvy, she'll be a strong and formidable ally for Hillary.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
28. Really? the 'revolution' does not depend on one House candidate in one
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 07:38 AM
Aug 2016

state, and as many have said, we have a diverse electorate in the Democratic Party. You won't get everything you want ever...but we will get some of what we want...and that is a good thing...the all or nothing attitude costs us elections and the ability to enact needed progressive policy.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
38. Absolutely. My only difference is in how "we" are
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 08:20 AM
Aug 2016

defined. An exclusionary definition that rejects most natural allies is extremely counterproductive, and foolish--many who think of themselves as the "true" progressives have won and are winning and have no idea. The fact is that for at least a century all non-conservative Democrats have believed in the need for and moral virtue of progressive action. In that respect, liberalism is virtually synonymous with progressivism.

Some of our Democratic conservatives are also progressive, even though conservatives overall tend to believe, both secularly and through religion, that government interference must fail. They there is a natural order that does a far better job of rewarding virtue, penalizing lack of, and achieving societal health and stability. These are the people who oppose progressive answers.

But, for all conservatives' dysfunctional and mistaken sincerity, "we" won and are winning: Because society evolves in the direction it must.

Very large, highly interdependent modern populations must have government involvement in solving large problems, including providing a strong, stable structure, to ensure survival. It's literally not only a good life issue, but a life and death issue.

Lifelong strong liberal here.

George Eliot

(701 posts)
43. This makes no sense.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 10:06 AM
Aug 2016

Last edited Fri Sep 2, 2016, 03:52 PM - Edit history (1)

What are you talking about? If you can't say it simply, you don't know.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
45. It was said simply, if you had issues with understanding what was said, then it's you that
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:09 PM
Aug 2016

doesn't know. Do you need words defined or something? I'm not seeing the reason for your confusion.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
54. All answers are responses. Not all responses are answers. His was but a clever reponse
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 04:41 PM
Aug 2016

All answers are responses. Not all responses are answers. His was but a clever reponse, regardless of your inability to see reasons for the perceptions of others...

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
53. Many people pretend one data point makes a measurement.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 04:39 PM
Aug 2016

Many people believe one data point makes a measurement. Bless their little hearts. Others simply pretend one data point makes a measurement.

Bless your little heart.

LiberalFighter

(50,904 posts)
51. One House member alone won't keep it alive.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 03:04 PM
Aug 2016

Identify all of the House and Senate members that receive support from payday lenders. Put the eye on them so they recognize the folly of supporting them.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
55. As are democratic constituents in CD23. Must be tough for an irrational mind to reconcile both
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 04:43 PM
Aug 2016

As are democratic constituents in CD23. Must be tough for an irrational mind to reconcile both, instead relegated to focusing on the one at the expense of the multiple.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
46. That guy who was such a sore loser that he lacked the grace or class to concede with dignity?
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:10 PM
Aug 2016

Sorry, but his behavior upon losing revealed his character.

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
49. He confirmed his lack of fitness for the job.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:22 PM
Aug 2016

Hopefully he also destroyed any future he may have had in politics.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
56. Ugh I'm so fed up with the ego that leads candidates to avoid conceding.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 05:22 PM
Aug 2016

trump no doubt will do the same. Losing to a woman means not having to concede these days.

George Eliot

(701 posts)
19. "good for her" - Really? Both Dems and you prefer the payday lender Dem?
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 12:23 AM
Aug 2016

What has happened to the Democratic Party? Elections have consequences for real people you know.

Greensburg724

(3 posts)
22. That's exactly how I feel.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 06:44 AM
Aug 2016

Very disheartening seeing some of the replies on this thread. Her reelection is not something to be celebrated. I'm not surprised though. Incredibly difficult to unseat someone in a primary with as much financial backing and name recognition as her.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
24. Yes they do and Canova would have probaly have lost the General
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 07:29 AM
Aug 2016

and the seat. We all know this was a proxy fight...and a continuation of the primary. Most can't even name a congressional candidate in a different state. I have seen only one other congressional eletion followed here and that would be the Grayson and Murphy battle...a senate race. I have seen no other House races followed closely unless one lives in the state.

George Eliot

(701 posts)
42. Had the better Dem (Canova) unseated DWS, his chances would have been good.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 10:01 AM
Aug 2016

But it does show the political naivete - lack of political wisdom that is rampant here. More about celebrity than politics.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
47. What you say is true. Thinking that the celebrity had any standing here was incredibly politically
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:16 PM
Aug 2016

naive. The better Dem, the one the people in her district know, and who have lived with the "consequences" of her representation chose the "better Dem", and rejected the "political wisdom" of celebrities and "political wisdom" that seemed to lack any actual understanding of the realities in that district.

It would be nice if those that lacked any understanding of reality or policies or politics would pause a moment and learn some things before their offer their "wisdom" and their scorn upon those who know far better than they do. Insulting the people of that district because chose against the 'celebrity" who didn't bother to win their votes is naive and unwise at best.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
52. I and others you call politically naive/unwise predicted
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 04:36 PM
Aug 2016

that DWS would win the primary;it was a total waste of time and money to run Canova. Especially, since the gerrymandered map was tossed out and there are better opportunities for Democrats in Florida to make gains. I may be politically naive or unwise but to fight over a safe Democratic seat seems like a total waste when two congressional seats (Districts 10 and 13) Republican seats... are now very promising for Dems. Charlie Crist (yes, the former Republican) and Police Chief Val Demmings are the Democratic nominees and have a good shot at the seats...that would two gains for the good guys...this is way more important than primarying a Democrat incumbent like DWS. The money would have been better spent on these house races and others such as Murphy vs Rubio or the Garcia vs Curbelo rematch (Miami). The DWS thing is more about payback than electing strong progressives in my opinion. And we need to work on taking back the house and leave the petty politics of a bitter primary in the past.

George Eliot

(701 posts)
60. If you really mean strong progressive, you should support one.
Fri Sep 2, 2016, 11:52 AM
Sep 2016

Words have meaning and DWS is no strong progressive. If you are a strong progressive, it is paramount we support all true progressives and not give in to fear. Supporting canova certainly does not diminish support for other candidates.

And supporting compromised candidates who are clearly not prrogressives makes one wonder about your position as a progressive. Not all Democrats are progressives. Thatst okay. Just be true to yourself.

Greensburg724

(3 posts)
44. Republicans are not flipping this seat.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:45 PM
Aug 2016

Regardless who won the Dem primary, Republicans are not taking this seat. Democrats have a significant numbers advantage here. It should be even greater this year with the higher turnout for a presidential election. DWS got over 60% of the vote in 2012, and 2014. To say Canova probably would have lost is a bit ridiculous.

Response to OnDoutside (Reply #21)

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
23. Good
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 07:25 AM
Aug 2016

I am sick of women being scapegoated. And I think that is what happened here. Debbie did not cause Bernie Sanders to lose...the primary is over and with her win...we can close this unpleasant chapter.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
29. I can tell you how they will play out...
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 07:42 AM
Aug 2016

they won't. There are still lawsuit pending from the 2004 election and it amounts to a big '0' in real terms...all this money wasted and for what? The primary is over. The money would be better spent electing Democrats to get the stuff done that you say you want done...and to organize. Primaries are under state and party control...and we are selecting a candidate-not having an election...so the measly voting rights we have don't even apply.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
31. DWS had to resign because of her actions. The lawsuits might not be won but it was clear what was
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 07:54 AM
Aug 2016

going on.

Even Harry Reid admitted the DNC wasn't fair to Sanders.

And Canova was in the emails as well. Schultz used the DNC to help her campaign against him.

Tim Canova Files Formal Election Complaint Against Debbie Wasserman Schultz

BY JERRY IANNELLI - MONDAY, AUGUST 8, 2016 AT 1:21 P.M.

~snip~

Last month, New Times broke news that Canova's name turned up repeatedly in the DNC's email leak. WikiLeaks' email database showed that DNC staffers, who were not part of Wasserman Schultz's campaign team, routinely kept tabs on Canova's campaign, shared articles about him, and helped the congresswoman coordinate her fight against him.

~Snip~

In another email chain, DNC spokesperson Luis Miranda asked staffers to "do some digging" for information about a May rally at which Canova planned to speak in Alaska. The rally had been scheduled to compete with one of Wassserman Schultz's speeches.

"When is he [Canova] speaking compared to when she [Wasserman Schultz] is speaking?" DNC staffer Kate Houghton wrote May 12. "Adding a few more people. We need as much intel as you can provide."

If the FEC chooses to enforce Canova's complaint, the commission could levy fines against Wasserman Schultz.

~Snip~

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/tim-canova-files-formal-election-complaint-against-debbie-wasserman-schultz-8667388


Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
33. I'm still vastly amused by all the folks who went all in on these bogus lawsuits.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 07:59 AM
Aug 2016

It's not the responsibility of the rest of us to do political organizing for you. If you think things should change, you need to put in the years and labor to make the case.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
34. Did you read the article where they found emails where DNC members conspired against Canova?
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 08:02 AM
Aug 2016

Did they violate the rules in your opinion?

Tim Canova Files Formal Election Complaint Against Debbie Wasserman Schultz

BY JERRY IANNELLI - MONDAY, AUGUST 8, 2016 AT 1:21 P.M.

~snip~

Last month, New Times broke news that Canova's name turned up repeatedly in the DNC's email leak. WikiLeaks' email database showed that DNC staffers, who were not part of Wasserman Schultz's campaign team, routinely kept tabs on Canova's campaign, shared articles about him, and helped the congresswoman coordinate her fight against him.

~Snip~

In another email chain, DNC spokesperson Luis Miranda asked staffers to "do some digging" for information about a May rally at which Canova planned to speak in Alaska. The rally had been scheduled to compete with one of Wassserman Schultz's speeches.

"When is he [Canova] speaking compared to when she [Wasserman Schultz] is speaking?" DNC staffer Kate Houghton wrote May 12. "Adding a few more people. We need as much intel as you can provide."

If the FEC chooses to enforce Canova's complaint, the commission could levy fines against Wasserman Schultz.

~Snip~

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/tim-canova-files-formal-election-complaint-against-debbie-wasserman-schultz-8667388


Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
37. I didn't like the guy anyway...he went on that crazy rightie show.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 08:17 AM
Aug 2016

I doubt he could have held the seat.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
48. If only some learning was possible, but there are so many for whom facts will never outweigh
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:19 PM
Aug 2016

their strong beliefs that something nefarious happened, regardless of what evidence is presented. The lawsuits will fail and they will still rail about how that's proof of rigging! It's how the CONS work, after all.

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