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question everything

(47,465 posts)
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 12:31 PM Jun 2014

When we end up cheering the defeat of Cantor, let's consider the long term implication

One more teabagger in Congress who will vote not only against immigration reform, but against raising the debt ceiling, against supporting social programs, for isolationism (not that many here would object) and for cutting more and more of the government so that is can be "flushed down the tub." All this while praising god as his guide.

Let's hope that recent analysis, that the voters did not so much voted for Brat as they voted against Cantor, that by 2016 other Republicans in the 7th district will challenge him.

And... perhaps, our side will use him as an example of why we should win in 2016: the White House, the Senate and at least narrow the gap in the House.



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When we end up cheering the defeat of Cantor, let's consider the long term implication (Original Post) question everything Jun 2014 OP
Exactly... Rider3 Jun 2014 #1
He's not going to win, right? Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2014 #16
He is going to win in that district. former9thward Jun 2014 #21
I think your last part is right. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #2
When (if) the American Taliban shut down the govt again or refuse to raise the debt ceiling randys1 Jun 2014 #3
Cantor's defeat weakens the GOP as a whole. onehandle Jun 2014 #4
Exactly. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #5
^^^This^^^. Nt The Road Runner Jun 2014 #14
You got it right. AlinPA Jun 2014 #10
We weren't getting immigration reform anyway. Arkana Jun 2014 #6
This was only a Primary. There's still the general election lunatica Jun 2014 #7
Exactly. Let's beat the Brat. FSogol Jun 2014 #8
Beat the Brat. Snicker. n/t DebJ Jun 2014 #18
This is a very right winged district question everything Jun 2014 #13
Not in that district, he won't. n/t JayhawkSD Jun 2014 #17
Actually...Brat's got a good chance of imploding. Chan790 Jun 2014 #9
Your post makes a lot of sense regarding Cantor's political calculus... The Road Runner Jun 2014 #15
Burn America to the ground. That'll show 'em! blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #11
Have we seen the last of GOP House and Senate leaders meeting at the White House with the President? AlinPA Jun 2014 #12
Check this teabagger out cpprpenny Jun 2014 #19
But practically speaking Brat, assuming he wins fujiyama Jun 2014 #20

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
2. I think your last part is right.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 12:33 PM
Jun 2014

The more complete and utter nutters on their side, the more likely people in other districts will be less willing to hand power over to their side. I really think the only reason enough people were willing to vote for Barack Obama in 2008 was because of a major backlash against the Republicans thanks to W and Cheney.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
3. When (if) the American Taliban shut down the govt again or refuse to raise the debt ceiling
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 12:38 PM
Jun 2014

the results will be so drastic, so harmful, that the morons cheering them from the sidelines might have a tiny, old, 10 watt light bulb go off telling them that they just shot themselves in the foot...

Personally I am kinda like George Carlin in that the more disaster the funner it is to watch...

I mean if they are going to purposely cause disaster that didnt have to happen, I am gonna watch and cheer on harm to those who caused it.

While this is all going on, climate change rapidly gets worse by the hour...we stupid fucking humans dont deserver to survive

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
4. Cantor's defeat weakens the GOP as a whole.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 12:39 PM
Jun 2014

Cantor and Brat would have voted the EXACT SAME WAY on every issue, so no change there.

But now we may have a CRAZY without Cantor's 'stature.'

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
5. Exactly.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:30 PM
Jun 2014

Cantor plotted to sabotage and block Obama's presidency from the beginning, so current situation is not worse. Immigration reform wasn't going to happen. This does weaken GOP leadership, drives a deeper wedge into the GOP civil war, and paints the GOP into a more extremist corner. All that is good for Democratic Party.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
6. We weren't getting immigration reform anyway.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:43 PM
Jun 2014

And Cantor getting bounced is a HUGE black eye for the GOP and all those wealthy benefactors who were counting on him taking the speaker's gavel.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
7. This was only a Primary. There's still the general election
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:03 PM
Jun 2014

He could very well be beaten by a Democrat. He can't even answer a simple question about minimum wage.

question everything

(47,465 posts)
13. This is a very right winged district
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:25 PM
Jun 2014

I think that the Democrat has been viewed as a sacrificial lamb.

And I can see many Republicans still voting for the bratty brat just to make sure that they do not lose the majority in the House.

Unless there is a miracle and many Republicans and Independents will decide to stop the teabaggers in the march, but I have my doubts. Will be glad to be proven wrong.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
9. Actually...Brat's got a good chance of imploding.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 04:53 PM
Jun 2014

His candidacy is likely to be a troubled one...the immediate leak that he didn't go to Princeton U. tells me, as someone that has done oppo, that Cantor's campaign did oppo that they didn't think they needed and never ended up using. That was almost certainly a leak from Cantor's people. The timing is suspect. So was the bravado of reporters honing in on the weakness of Brat to questions on economics...remember Dave Brat is an economist, he looks like a fool when he can't explain his position on the minimum wage without a policy paper to tell him what he thinks.

Now some of you are asking yourselves "Why would Cantor sandbag Brat?" It's not apparent but it's not spite or revenge...it's a very conservative district that Democrats most-likely cannot hold in incumbency. Cantor's best play, if he wants to retake his seat, is to send Brat to his defeat so that it gets won by a Democrat that he can easily beat in 2 years in a district where Democrats are at a severe numerical disadvantage.

The Road Runner

(109 posts)
15. Your post makes a lot of sense regarding Cantor's political calculus...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:41 PM
Jun 2014

Nevertheless, I would not underestimate the role that spite and revenge might also be playing as, by all accounts, Eric Cantor is a Giant Asshole and unlikely to lose gracefully.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
12. Have we seen the last of GOP House and Senate leaders meeting at the White House with the President?
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:12 PM
Jun 2014

With teabaggers running the GOP, it looks like meeting with a Democratic president for any reason will be a guarantee of exclusion by the GOP.

cpprpenny

(5 posts)
19. Check this teabagger out
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 07:00 PM
Jun 2014

This guy - Lee Zeldin - is the presumptive Republican nominee in NY CD-1.
He'll be up against Tim Bishop in November if he wins his primary a week from today.

Turns out his backers are the same guys who dumped a ton of toxic waste in Long Island parks!
And he's running to represent all of us who live here.

Disgusting!!

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
20. But practically speaking Brat, assuming he wins
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:34 AM
Jun 2014

will have little power as a lowly freshman representative. That itself is a win. Sure, some other loony will get his spot but they can't get much worse than Cantor who did shut down the government and was even more extreme than Boehner.

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