2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumYou can call them military advisers, but they are simply U.S. soldiers being sent back to Iraq.
The Obama Administration has decided to redeploy American troops to Iraq, and those who think otherwise and want to give Obama the benefit of the doubt are fooling themselves. This is a dangerous decision and one that threatens to pull us back into Iraq.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)EEO
(1,620 posts)They are Special Forces soldiers.
They are being sent to Iraq after U.S. soldiers have been pulled out.
Thus, U.S. soldiers are being sent back (or redeployed) into Iraq to provide military aid.
I'd love to hear your interpretation of the facts outside of "who says?"
randys1
(16,286 posts)have negative results in one way or another.
The question we have to answer is really simple, what are we willing to do to assure the flow of oil, while we try and create green alternatives.
Today, not next week, but today.
I dont know either.
Yes this is a very worrying situation. The situation there is increasingly bad and it seems know one knows what to do. We can only hope for violence to stop.
gopiscrap
(23,726 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/vietnam/index-1961.html
EEO
(1,620 posts)wandy
(3,539 posts)OK, this is as convoluted as all heck but I'll try to explain......
The Iraq government hasn't been working all too very well and now they have terrorists/freedom fighters/people with different religious beliefs (I guess it depends on you're view point) running a muck.
Now the last time Iraq was running a muck the GOP decided (for reasons unknown to god or man) to build this ungodly expensive white elephant of an embassy smack dab in the middle of a war zone. If/when this embassy comes under attack we must have sufficient resources to to prevent another Benghazi!
Our enemy is ever looking for ways to do us harm.
I'm not thinking of ISIS here.
Our own government hasn't been working all too very, at least since the surge of Tepublican obstruction began.
No matter what decisions are made about Iraq, no matter how many lives are lost, no matter what damage it does here at home, the GOP will only see an opportunity for political gain.
Our enemy is ever looking for ways to do us harm. We must prevent another Benghazi!
EEO
(1,620 posts)Constructed under the belief we would NEVER leave militarily.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...not the Obama Administration. There IS a difference.
EEO
(1,620 posts)YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...that we would NEVER leave there militarily"...your words.
My questions:
Whose belief? Bush? Cheney? US government in 2004? US government now? Who has/had that belief?
There is a lot of 'conflating' going on...
EEO
(1,620 posts)When was the embassy constructed? And by what administration? Oh, that's right. By the George W. Bush Administration, which doubled down on our involvement in Iraq with the surge and would have stayed there indefinitely to provide "security" to the Iraqi people if Maliki had not insisted our forces leave. That would be what I was referring to.
You assert there is 'conflating' when there is none. You could have looked for key words in what I said and determined who constructed the embassy and who I was referring to, but I guess it is more fun to be argumentative in the name of supporting Obama than reading into a comment enough to understand what you are commenting about.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...your writing was not as clear as you thought it was.
EEO
(1,620 posts)... it was as clear as I thought it was.
JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)Because Iraqis don't know how to fight. They've never done it before, and we've been doing it for 200 years. We have been winning all of our wars for the past 60 years, so we are uniquely qualified to teach the pacifist Arabs, who have a 2000-year history of never fighting anyone, how to fight and kill people.
Wounded Bear
(58,604 posts)"Winning" wars for 60 years? Hmmm...I don't think so.
YMMV
JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,604 posts)EEO
(1,620 posts)There is not a history of clashes that are violent between Sunnis and Shias, so I think they can probably get along.
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)deja-vu all over again
Ernesto
(5,077 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)think we are going to get it done now?
EEO
(1,620 posts)... Or something.
Training is a euphemism...they're almost certainly there as force reconnaissance.
Keep in mind, there's only about 3000 ISIS fighters, most of whom are not professional soldiers and have never received any form of training...if we identify and mark the house where the senior leaders are having a meeting, while they are having a meeting...it'll be the first and last airstrike of the campaign. We blow it up, Shiite forces examine the wreckage and recover/ID the remains. We'll apologize after the fact, Iran will denounce us (puppet-show. Don't think they're not in on it.), the Saudis will never be able to prove we plotted against their personal insurrection.
Militia tend to scatter and return to their civilian lives when the head is cut off. Better for everybody than a long bloody insurrection.
This is intel gathering plain and simple. We need to know who the leaders are and if need be we will take them out. no one and I mean no one wants to see images of the US Embassy in Bagdad being taken over or fired upon. Bush broke Iraq and now we have to pay the cashier. it doesn't help that Al- Maliki has done nothing to stop this uprising at all.