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EEO

(1,620 posts)
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 10:43 AM Jun 2014

You can call them military advisers, but they are simply U.S. soldiers being sent back to Iraq.

The Obama Administration has decided to redeploy American troops to Iraq, and those who think otherwise and want to give Obama the benefit of the doubt are fooling themselves. This is a dangerous decision and one that threatens to pull us back into Iraq.

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You can call them military advisers, but they are simply U.S. soldiers being sent back to Iraq. (Original Post) EEO Jun 2014 OP
Who says? Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2014 #1
Reason, for one. EEO Jun 2014 #2
It is a remarkably phucked up situation where no matter what Obama does, it will randys1 Jun 2014 #3
Troops friend of socrates Jun 2014 #25
Welcome to DU gopiscrap Jun 2014 #26
Sending in a few Green Berets as advisors--What could go wrong? Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #4
The inability to learn from history has caused immeasurable suffering. EEO Jun 2014 #15
Or they could be there to protect the GOP white elephent........... wandy Jun 2014 #5
Largest U.S. Embassy in the World. EEO Jun 2014 #11
By GWBush Administration ... YvonneCa Jun 2014 #16
Did someone claim the Obama Administration was responsible for the construction of that embassy? EEO Jun 2014 #17
"Constructed under the belief... YvonneCa Jun 2014 #19
I know what my words were. And your questions lack understanding of what my words meant. EEO Jun 2014 #20
Or maybe... YvonneCa Jun 2014 #21
Well, that also means maybe... EEO Jun 2014 #22
They are there to teach Iraqis how to fight. JayhawkSD Jun 2014 #6
I think you left off the... Wounded Bear Jun 2014 #7
Sarcasm, me? nt JayhawkSD Jun 2014 #9
I know: "Say it isn't so, Jay!" Wounded Bear Jun 2014 #10
Well, as John McCain told us... EEO Jun 2014 #12
'nam in 64 and 65 leftyohiolib Jun 2014 #8
Pretty much............n-t Ernesto Jun 2014 #13
And no matter what they say if we could not train the military in all these years what makes them jwirr Jun 2014 #14
Maybe this time it will take... EEO Jun 2014 #18
Train? Chan790 Jun 2014 #24
correct bpj62 Jun 2014 #27
, blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #23
We could contract Xie to take care of the problem jrandom421 Jun 2014 #28

EEO

(1,620 posts)
2. Reason, for one.
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 10:57 AM
Jun 2014

They are Special Forces soldiers.

They are being sent to Iraq after U.S. soldiers have been pulled out.

Thus, U.S. soldiers are being sent back (or redeployed) into Iraq to provide military aid.

I'd love to hear your interpretation of the facts outside of "who says?"

randys1

(16,286 posts)
3. It is a remarkably phucked up situation where no matter what Obama does, it will
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 11:22 AM
Jun 2014

have negative results in one way or another.

The question we have to answer is really simple, what are we willing to do to assure the flow of oil, while we try and create green alternatives.

Today, not next week, but today.

I dont know either.

25. Troops
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 11:35 AM
Jun 2014

Yes this is a very worrying situation. The situation there is increasingly bad and it seems know one knows what to do. We can only hope for violence to stop.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
4. Sending in a few Green Berets as advisors--What could go wrong?
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 11:23 AM
Jun 2014
May 1961 - President Kennedy sends 400 American Green Beret 'Special Advisors' to South Vietnam to train South Vietnamese soldiers in methods of 'counter-insurgency' in the fight against Viet Cong guerrillas.


http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/vietnam/index-1961.html

wandy

(3,539 posts)
5. Or they could be there to protect the GOP white elephent...........
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 11:41 AM
Jun 2014

OK, this is as convoluted as all heck but I'll try to explain......
The Iraq government hasn't been working all too very well and now they have terrorists/freedom fighters/people with different religious beliefs (I guess it depends on you're view point) running a muck.
Now the last time Iraq was running a muck the GOP decided (for reasons unknown to god or man) to build this ungodly expensive white elephant of an embassy smack dab in the middle of a war zone. If/when this embassy comes under attack we must have sufficient resources to to prevent another Benghazi!
Our enemy is ever looking for ways to do us harm.
I'm not thinking of ISIS here.
Our own government hasn't been working all too very, at least since the surge of Tepublican obstruction began.

No matter what decisions are made about Iraq, no matter how many lives are lost, no matter what damage it does here at home, the GOP will only see an opportunity for political gain.

Our enemy is ever looking for ways to do us harm. We must prevent another Benghazi!

EEO

(1,620 posts)
11. Largest U.S. Embassy in the World.
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 12:47 PM
Jun 2014

Constructed under the belief we would NEVER leave militarily.

EEO

(1,620 posts)
17. Did someone claim the Obama Administration was responsible for the construction of that embassy?
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:16 PM
Jun 2014

YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)
19. "Constructed under the belief...
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:48 PM
Jun 2014

...that we would NEVER leave there militarily"...your words.

My questions:
Whose belief? Bush? Cheney? US government in 2004? US government now? Who has/had that belief?

There is a lot of 'conflating' going on...

EEO

(1,620 posts)
20. I know what my words were. And your questions lack understanding of what my words meant.
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 09:07 PM
Jun 2014

When was the embassy constructed? And by what administration? Oh, that's right. By the George W. Bush Administration, which doubled down on our involvement in Iraq with the surge and would have stayed there indefinitely to provide "security" to the Iraqi people if Maliki had not insisted our forces leave. That would be what I was referring to.

You assert there is 'conflating' when there is none. You could have looked for key words in what I said and determined who constructed the embassy and who I was referring to, but I guess it is more fun to be argumentative in the name of supporting Obama than reading into a comment enough to understand what you are commenting about.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
6. They are there to teach Iraqis how to fight.
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 12:03 PM
Jun 2014

Because Iraqis don't know how to fight. They've never done it before, and we've been doing it for 200 years. We have been winning all of our wars for the past 60 years, so we are uniquely qualified to teach the pacifist Arabs, who have a 2000-year history of never fighting anyone, how to fight and kill people.

EEO

(1,620 posts)
12. Well, as John McCain told us...
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 12:48 PM
Jun 2014

“There is not a history of clashes that are violent between Sunnis and Shias, so I think they can probably get along.”

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
14. And no matter what they say if we could not train the military in all these years what makes them
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 12:54 PM
Jun 2014

think we are going to get it done now?

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
24. Train?
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:02 AM
Jun 2014

Training is a euphemism...they're almost certainly there as force reconnaissance.

Keep in mind, there's only about 3000 ISIS fighters, most of whom are not professional soldiers and have never received any form of training...if we identify and mark the house where the senior leaders are having a meeting, while they are having a meeting...it'll be the first and last airstrike of the campaign. We blow it up, Shiite forces examine the wreckage and recover/ID the remains. We'll apologize after the fact, Iran will denounce us (puppet-show. Don't think they're not in on it.), the Saudis will never be able to prove we plotted against their personal insurrection.

Militia tend to scatter and return to their civilian lives when the head is cut off. Better for everybody than a long bloody insurrection.

bpj62

(999 posts)
27. correct
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 12:13 PM
Jun 2014

This is intel gathering plain and simple. We need to know who the leaders are and if need be we will take them out. no one and I mean no one wants to see images of the US Embassy in Bagdad being taken over or fired upon. Bush broke Iraq and now we have to pay the cashier. it doesn't help that Al- Maliki has done nothing to stop this uprising at all.

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