2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Hillary Clinton College Plan: Work Harder Poor People
Why is it that every time she opens her mouth, something stupid jumps out of it?
Just why?
I have a heavy emphasis on the paying down the debt and different ways to help the students do exactly that. I also believe that people who are getting an education need to have some responsibility for their education. So I have a plan that will make it possible for anybody attending a four-year college or university to avoid having to borrow money for tuition, but we are still going to have to expect the students to do their part. I believe in the students working, you know, ten hours a week is what I recommend. So I think that my plan is really aimed at addressing the issue issues that I hear young Americans talking to me about.
She says under her plan poor kids will have to work ten hours a week, because America should expect the students to do their part.
Because, you know $7 an hour at Subway goes along way toward that $100,000 tuition. Gotta watch out for those lazy poor people. We all know how shiftless they are.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/college_guide/blog/the_hillary_clinton_college_pl.php
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)Autumn
(45,056 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)Because tuition, room, and board are fixed expenses, and with more work you can take fewer classes, and so might need to take an extra year as a result.
For example, take the cost of fees and tuition for a year at the University of California. It's $30k a year for in state. $7 x 10 hours a week for the semester adds up to around $10k a year. Not much more than the $30k for an extra year. And then there's the lost salary you could make the 5th year.
Truly insulting from someone who thought she was dead broke after leaving the Presidency and gets paid $400k a speech.
BlueWaveDem
(403 posts)whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)Remember Bill Clinton's 'New Covenant' speeches in 1991? This is exactly from that playbook. You rhetorically match a 'responsibility' to every 'right.' It's supposed to be a way to sell liberal programs to swing voters who like social programs but worry about moochers. Do they still exist in large numbers? What do I know, but it sounds about, say, 24 years out of date to me.
And in this way, Hillary is enabling the far right wing by constantly leading with and legitimizing their fears in every utterance from her entitled, conservative pie hole.
She knows those social programs are filled with lazy leftists so she's gonna make sure that the poor pull their weight.
Instead of calling BULLSHIT on the conservative memes, Hillary cuddles up by being a hero protecting capitalism and the free market against lazy poor people who need to do more work.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)We should not and must not ask our college students to go to school full time and have a job to boot.
mopinko
(70,081 posts)do they have to turn over their medical records to prove that school is already enough for them to cope with? including psyche records, which as supposed to be ultra-confidential?
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)mopinko
(70,081 posts)Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)Ummm... You're really reaching with this statement. Wowzers!
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)to be perfect in every way - captain of the football team, all AP classes, winner of the science fair, on and on and on
This is how it is in India, China, Japan. You are groomed as a single individual without any connection to the world around you. No sense of common good, everything is for your own advancement. The pressure is intense. NYT ran a recent article about women committing suicide on campus over pressure to be perfect.
What the fuck makes us think these systems are so much better? Look at these nations' social problems from corrupt government with massive poverty to filthy living conditions and then tell me all the smart people are in Asia because their test scores are so good.
We are going in the WRONG direction.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Sounds like Hillary is pandering in advance.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)BlueWaveDem
(403 posts)I worked through high school and college and now law school.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)with the idea of a adding legislation to require the poor to get a job to pay for the benefit.
She is also promoting a right wing meme that poor people are lazy and they need to be required to work (by law) for benefits.
In fact, as the article points out, 80% already do work out of necessity.
It is truly a stupefying example of right-wing triangulation.
Now - the other difference is, after working and struggling through high school and college and ending up in debt, the jobs waiting at graduation are going to China and India and soon to be Vietnam.
Thanks to more conservative memes about Americans not working hard enough, nor smart enough.
Hillary is choosing her issues carefully. We see the side she's on and it is not the side of working Americans.
She's stuck in the 1960s Goldwater glow.
BlueWaveDem
(403 posts)whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)he doesn't punch poor people with a STUPID remark about forcing poor students to pull their weight.
BlueWaveDem
(403 posts)How is that bad?
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)Democrat since liberating Iraq, Syria and Libya by massive violence in order to punish innocent people for the leadership we directly or indirectly propped up for decades.
BlueWaveDem
(403 posts)And again, you're assuming people both rich and poor don't want to work. I am living it. No one doesn't want to work.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)conservative values.
BlueWaveDem
(403 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Left Ear
(81 posts)You say you're in law school. You should have a debt in the six figures by now.
Good luck paying that off under Clinton's plan.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)cpompilo
(323 posts)How about requiring ball & chains too.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)I knew I heard this idea before... Hillary paints lipstick on a pig.
Newt Gingrich Defends Call For Poor Kids To Work As Janitors During 2012 South Carolina GOP Debate
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/16/newt-gingrich-kids-janitors-south-carolina-debate_n_1209476.html
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)I don't see any problem with students working 10 hours per week to help pay for their college.
Sparkly
(24,149 posts)No tuition debt; lower costs of living; free community college... And working 10 hours a week is a problem?
The only access like that has been the GI Bill, which took a lot more than 10 hours a week and was not a voluntary commitment until relatively recently.
I don't see anything here to complain about.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)But only applying it to poor students is not fair. In fact it's insulting.
Sparkly
(24,149 posts)Now poor students have to work a lot more than 10 hours a week to afford what rich kids' parents cover.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Seriously?
This stems from the GOPs "Poor people are poor because they are lazy" position.
Shameful if true.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)something. It's condescending and arrogant. What we want is that this government invest in its young people rather than in WARS, I read today that she thinks 'it's time to start talking about the business opportunities provided by the Iraq War'.
I would not take blood money like that if you gave it to me for nothing.
She made similar comments about making people, mostly poor people of course, 'less dependent' when she pushed that awful Welfare Bill that has so harmed women and children.
So condescending and so lacking in understanding of what 'responsibility' means.
I wonder if she feels the same way about holding her friends, like Jaimie Dimon responsible?
I'm so glad I don't have to try to defend any of this. You simply can't.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)This will both insure that rich kids have the scholastic advantage they so richly deserve, while supplying a huge new source of cheap, reliable, subsidized labor to giant retail and fast food chains!
Keep wages low!
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)email reform.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)and drive wages down, making it even more difficult for heads of households to feed their families.
And, desperate, busy people make better wage slaves and more obedient citizens, and wage slaves are good for increased corporate profits.
An added bonus for the neoliberal Third Way and Republican capitalists is that working 10 hrs a week will force most students to spend more cash just going to work than they will earn. And the amount of sheer waste that will generate more profit will be substantial.
Once again, all good for corporate profits, and keeping people in line. Busy people don't have time to think. People who don't think don't question authority.
Crush all the life and hope out of the people, boost profits for the the 1%.
It's like Bill Clinton's work for welfare plan!
The system works!
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Bravo, Zorra!!!
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)I took that to be a way of reducing the amount of work poor students do; ten hours sounds like the student aid jobs.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)To quote a particularly annoying person of little consequence:
"You seem to be pissing off all the right people."
(And keeping true to form: )