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Could it be that Senator Sanders is just another "bankster"? (Original Post) George II Oct 2015 OP
kick Dawson Leery Oct 2015 #1
51 of the 60 nays were from Republicans jfern Oct 2015 #2
Sanders wasn't a Senator in 2000, and the GOPers were for it too. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2015 #14
House or the Senate? Bernie was in the House then. The Senate compromise fucked up merrily Oct 2015 #43
You ought to stay on hillarysupporters.com, where you belong. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #3
+1 ----------------- For cali: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #4
Look in the mirror. Control-Z Oct 2015 #6
You mean this truth? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #8
some people have a lot of time on their hands, and they use it unwisely virtualobserver Oct 2015 #11
There's a couple of reasons why they wanted cali silenced. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #12
She also picks her fair share of fights with her name calling mythology Oct 2015 #115
That's not the reason given by the people celebrating at that website. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #131
Oh bull. polly7 Oct 2015 #157
So, your only recourse Control-Z Oct 2015 #17
You wanted the truth, I can't help it if it doesn't agree with you. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #18
All humans make mistakes, but Bernie did not make one on this vote. See Reply 42. merrily Oct 2015 #52
P.S. Posting something from another site is probably not trolling that site, either. merrily Oct 2015 #76
Um, posting a screenshot from another site isn't trolling. cui bono Oct 2015 #165
what a shit thing for a person to do... demwing Oct 2015 #20
He was trying to "prod" cali into a hide? Pretty blatant stuff there. madfloridian Oct 2015 #36
And they have the nerve to accuse others of alert stalking. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #37
This is awful. Should be a banning offense. nt Mojorabbit Oct 2015 #151
I'll settle for calling them out for it whenever I can. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #152
Be careful. polly7 Oct 2015 #153
True. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #154
Yes! polly7 Oct 2015 #156
It was! I need to touch up my make-up but other than that I'm not so bad either. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #158
Yes, I decided I want a new shade of blush now that my tan's fading a bit, polly7 Oct 2015 #159
He's flying the Quebec flag, maybe he confused himself with every other Canadian? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #160
That could be. polly7 Oct 2015 #161
No one is hurt by you and the rest of the Clinton Cavers' hatred except yourselves. cui bono Oct 2015 #164
The truth is that HRC took personal money from Goldman-Sachs to boost her fortune. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #168
Bernie supporters who send threatening letter through the mail don't either. leftofcool Oct 2015 #70
Plural? And we definitely know someone who would send a threatening letter would never lie. merrily Oct 2015 #75
Was the investigation completed? frylock Oct 2015 #134
Always this is the reaction to bad news treestar Oct 2015 #91
This is a false insinuation, not news. merrily Oct 2015 #95
He made the vote treestar Oct 2015 #99
NOT ON THE BILL THAT PASSED. What part of that is hard for you to comprehend? merrily Oct 2015 #101
Board FAIL !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #5
Sanders wasn't a Senator in 2000. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2015 #7
Oh dear. George, George, George. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #9
Inasmuch as you loves you some links, please see Reply 42. merrily Oct 2015 #55
"Bernie never voted for the bill that contained the Senate compromise" beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #56
Short, yet vilely false. George II should self delete. merrily Oct 2015 #60
But he worked so hard on the graphic. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #62
I just posted a very similar sentiment in Reply 61. merrily Oct 2015 #63
Just now came back from that page. bvf Oct 2015 #23
Excellent, TVO. Not only signed by Bubba, but lobbied hard for by Bubba. See Reply 42. merrily Oct 2015 #53
The point was to lob an ugly lie, to try to smear Bernie to unwary voters. 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #108
And Ron Paul voted against it. cyberswede Oct 2015 #10
very crude graphic virtualobserver Oct 2015 #15
Ron Paul was a Rep, then, right? The insinuation in the OP is false. See Reply 42. merrily Oct 2015 #46
I wonder if this crappy low resolution meme maker Report1212 Oct 2015 #13
And Sanders voted *against* the Financial Services Modernization Act. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2015 #19
aka repeal of Glass Steagall. Strongly opposed it and predicted what it would do. merrily Oct 2015 #65
They aren't going to hemmed in by things like truth or accuracy or facts LondonReign2 Oct 2015 #98
Somehow, the resolution looks better today. Is that possible? merrily Oct 2015 #107
Oh, please... bvf Oct 2015 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Oct 2015 #21
Rec'ing because of the sheer desperation. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #22
Video -- Bernie Sanders on Financial Deregulaiton in 1999: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #24
Oh dear. cyberswede Oct 2015 #25
He should have quit when he was behind. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #26
Chomp that cactus! Juicy_Bellows Oct 2015 #27
I've just gotta kick and rec this too. delrem Oct 2015 #28
K&R for exposure. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #29
FAIL. cer7711 Oct 2015 #30
His vote on the Commodities bill was fine. Please see Reply 42. merrily Oct 2015 #77
This is just sad Scootaloo Oct 2015 #31
The House vote was 377 to 4. Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #32
Except not the same bill as the Senate version... Guess you didn't know what you were reading? Fearless Oct 2015 #68
The final version passed the House as part of a big budget bill Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #112
Total over-reach there, Georgie-poo... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #33
Overreach, my ass. It's flat out false. merrily Oct 2015 #64
K&R so the epic fail gets more visibility. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Old Crow Oct 2015 #35
Grasping for straws is a sign of hopelessness....also, C Moon Oct 2015 #38
Rec for exposure AllyCat Oct 2015 #39
Sigh... SoapBox Oct 2015 #40
If you're going to catapult propaganda, you should at least know that Sanders was a neverforget Oct 2015 #41
Heaven forbid that lot factcheck. They don't need no stinkin' facts. They have smears. merrily Oct 2015 #78
I thought JackInGreen Oct 2015 #85
Wow..they think we're "freaks" and "seriously insane." madfloridian Oct 2015 #97
And "trailer trash" too. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #132
Not uncommon amongst the Democratic political class ibegurpard Oct 2015 #145
What I want to know is how we can be both "trailer trash" and elite leftists? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #146
I'm shocked that nobody there has attempted to Correct the Record frylock Oct 2015 #136
Lol! neverforget Oct 2015 #147
omg... he should have known not to post something from zidzi!!! cui bono Oct 2015 #166
Bernie voted for the bill when it lacked the Senate modification that fucked up the bill and the merrily Oct 2015 #42
Great refutation; best in the thread. Old Crow Oct 2015 #45
Thanks. The best part is, I wrote it long before the dishonest insinuation in the OP. merrily Oct 2015 #51
Ha ha! Funny! So you were good to go. Old Crow Oct 2015 #54
I would never have started that research at this hour. merrily Oct 2015 #57
I agree 100%. Old Crow Oct 2015 #59
Whoever posted that the Op was Rovian nailed it. Attack your opponent on your own weakness and merrily Oct 2015 #61
Again, you've nailed it. Old Crow Oct 2015 #66
They've always been worried and the caliber of all dirty tricks is low, low, low. merrily Oct 2015 #69
BTW, it was AllyCat's Reply 39 that brought up Rove. merrily Oct 2015 #80
I see. Old Crow Oct 2015 #81
Thanks. Sabrina is indeed awesome. When I first starting posting at DU, merrily Oct 2015 #83
It's not the first Rovian scheme. Yesterday he was getting blamed for the mass-shooting. arcane1 Oct 2015 #128
+1000 nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #49
WELL done, merrily!!! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #58
Coming from a researcher extraordinaire such as you, that is high praise indeed. merrily Oct 2015 #74
+1 million JackInGreen Oct 2015 #72
I drink beer only in Mexico. I'll meet you in Merida. merrily Oct 2015 #84
Busted! pa28 Oct 2015 #118
My reply 42 links to a post I had written about the bill in July for another reason. merrily Oct 2015 #119
Were you ducking sniper fire while posting your propaganda piece? xocet Oct 2015 #44
So, shall we wait for your son Fawke Em Oct 2015 #47
Ooooh let'em JackInGreen Oct 2015 #73
Desperation time. sheldon Oct 2015 #48
Dishonesty is not becoming. nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #50
"What's dragging HRC's poll numbers down is the behavior of her supporters"..... Indepatriot Oct 2015 #67
Let's not fight one falsehood with another. The candidates are making or breaking themselves. merrily Oct 2015 #89
Merrily, your sarcasm detector may need adjusting.... Indepatriot Oct 2015 #121
I did not intend to imply that YOU purported to choose your candidate in that matter. merrily Oct 2015 #122
I am so tickled JackInGreen Oct 2015 #71
I think you need to order some more straw. djean111 Oct 2015 #79
George, you've been handed your ass on a silver platter. Hard to believe you haven't self-deleted. Scuba Oct 2015 #82
As always, the point of the OP was not to be truthful - the point of the OP is to have that headline djean111 Oct 2015 #87
Typical dump & run. cyberswede Oct 2015 #109
Wow. Epic fail here, George II... ms liberty Oct 2015 #86
Oh look who is here from hillarysupporters.com Katashi_itto Oct 2015 #88
Conservatives are lying liars that lie regardless of letter next to their name. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #90
Note the bunch of excuses treestar Oct 2015 #92
He didn't make a bad call. cyberswede Oct 2015 #93
+1 deutsey Oct 2015 #94
WOW! Sanders did NOT make a bad call and I posted facts with links, not excuses. Meanwhile Bubba merrily Oct 2015 #96
Did you read ANY of the information? Or did you avoid doing so so as not to disturb the lie? LondonReign2 Oct 2015 #100
Oh, I think that adding a rec and kick was pretty much the only objective. djean111 Oct 2015 #103
treestar is still kicking. Unreal. Then again, I don't mind the kicks. merrily Oct 2015 #105
Tree... JackInGreen Oct 2015 #106
So OP gets caught lying, and you decide to double-down on the lying. jeff47 Oct 2015 #111
I hope I live long enough to see and actual honest criticism arcane1 Oct 2015 #127
Still haven't deleted your post even though you were proven wrong? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #137
I note the lying lies of liars that lie. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #167
So you got every single thing wrong. Was is unbridled ignorance or intentional lies? LondonReign2 Oct 2015 #102
I am thinking a mixture of both! :-) djean111 Oct 2015 #104
Could it be that the OP is just another vile calumny against Sanders? Fumesucker Oct 2015 #110
Looks like a drive-by, since George hasn't been back The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2015 #113
No doubt, he has been composing his apologies. One about this thread and one about goading Cali. merrily Oct 2015 #120
Georgie where ever have you gone to? Puglover Oct 2015 #114
Don't you hate it when people keep kicking threads like this? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #139
It's terrible isn't it? Autumn Oct 2015 #149
Recommended it as well, the OP should come back to clarify his 'poster' with the wrong info. n/t slipslidingaway Oct 2015 #150
What, was there a dumbest OP contest contest? whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #116
Staggering Fail Kick. Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #117
A preposterous fail. hifiguy Oct 2015 #123
Completely unrecommended. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #124
My Oh my. bunnies Oct 2015 #125
Shhhhhhh! MADem Oct 2015 #126
Um... Hissyspit Oct 2015 #129
"FACTS"? You keep using that word... beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #133
That poster is probably busy composing Puglover Oct 2015 #140
And HC supporters are STILL rec'ing the freeperesque op!!! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #141
This thread is really going places! Aerows Oct 2015 #130
You'd think they'd learn. hifiguy Oct 2015 #143
! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #144
See you on Super Tuesday. GeorgeGist Oct 2015 #135
This is kind of like one of those Jason Movies Armstead Oct 2015 #138
Nnnnnnnnnnope. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #142
As others have pointed out, your OP is incorrect, please substantiate your allegations... slipslidingaway Oct 2015 #148
Summers, Phil Gramm and the law NOT to regulate derivatives slipslidingaway Oct 2015 #155
For this thread Gothmog Oct 2015 #162
I wish cali was still here if this is what we have to endure when you're not busy stalking her. cui bono Oct 2015 #163

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,543 posts)
14. Sanders wasn't a Senator in 2000, and the GOPers were for it too.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 11:58 PM
Oct 2015

Only 2 House Republicans and 2 House Democrats voted against it. The bill was in part the product of a Clinton administration committee that included Lawrence Summers. It turned out to be a bad law, but it was very much a bipartisan creation, signed into law by Clinton.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
43. House or the Senate? Bernie was in the House then. The Senate compromise fucked up
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:55 AM
Oct 2015

the bill. Bernie never voted for the fucked up bill.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1277&pid=9158 (only the last three paragraphs of the post are about the Commodities Futures bill, the beginning is about Gramm, Leach, Blilely, aka repeal of Glass Steagall)

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
3. You ought to stay on hillarysupporters.com, where you belong.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 11:34 PM
Oct 2015

People who plot over there to get posters here silenced don't belong here.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
6. Look in the mirror.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 11:43 PM
Oct 2015

At least try to be a little bit honest. But the truth really seems to hurt you guys. I'm sorry for that.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
12. There's a couple of reasons why they wanted cali silenced.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 11:57 PM
Oct 2015

She didn't put up with swift boating Bernie and never backed down from a fight.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
115. She also picks her fair share of fights with her name calling
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 11:32 AM
Oct 2015

That's a perfectly legitimate reason for disliking her that has nothing to do with her being a Sanders supporter.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
131. That's not the reason given by the people celebrating at that website.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:27 PM
Oct 2015

They specifically targeted cali because she doesn't support Hillary.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
157. Oh bull.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 01:04 AM
Oct 2015

She responds with exactly how she's spoken to. The problem is, that some just can't take what they dish out and get so angry they'll do anything to 'win'. Well they did 'win' getting rid of her for 3 months, but I don't think they realize how many people support her and hate the ugly crap it took to get her gone.

Cali fights fair. Those who couldn't out-debate her .......... don't. Period.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
17. So, your only recourse
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 12:01 AM
Oct 2015

is to troll other sites? Come on. You know how childish that appears.

Everybody does shit wrong, makes mistakes, changes their initial thoughts with experience. Just admit your candidate is human, makes mistakes and pour judgements like everyone else.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
18. You wanted the truth, I can't help it if it doesn't agree with you.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 12:03 AM
Oct 2015

When the other site is being used to troll DU it's fair game.

Just admit your candidate is human, makes mistakes and pour judgements like everyone else.




cui bono

(19,926 posts)
165. Um, posting a screenshot from another site isn't trolling.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 09:12 PM
Oct 2015


Now proudly prodding someone to try to get them a fifth hide as one of our MIRT members said they were doing, well that's trolling. I agree with you, that really is childish, and not just in appearance. I'm sure you have told your fellow Caver that directly.
 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
20. what a shit thing for a person to do...
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 12:03 AM
Oct 2015

Control Z, don't you think that trolling someone into getting silenced is a real dick move? I mean, what kind of am antisocial turd would so such a thing?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
37. And they have the nerve to accuse others of alert stalking.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:22 AM
Oct 2015

After months of screaming about Bernie's supporters "silencing" people they go and post that.

It's the hypocrisy.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
153. Be careful.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 12:46 AM
Oct 2015

The alerters who don't want it called out are watching for that closely now. Apparently it's over and done. But no apologies, no acknowledgement of it .......... nothing. Cali can't defend herself, so there's just no issue.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
154. True.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 12:48 AM
Oct 2015

I've had so many failed alerts on my posts I lost count.

But if they want to keep telling us how awful Bernie's supporters are they'd better be prepared to look in the mirror, because I'm going to keep carrying it around and holding it up.







polly7

(20,582 posts)
156. Yes!
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 01:00 AM
Oct 2015

I read that you and I can't look in a mirror and can't possibly have any friends in real life. Did you look in one today? I did .... it wasn't so bad.

That picture in the OP hurts my eyes though ...... seriously. It makes me dizzy.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
158. It was! I need to touch up my make-up but other than that I'm not so bad either.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 01:04 AM
Oct 2015

And didn't the op ask me why I hate Canadians, too?

I like what I see when I look at you, polly!



polly7

(20,582 posts)
159. Yes, I decided I want a new shade of blush now that my tan's fading a bit,
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 01:06 AM
Oct 2015

but it was okay, really.

I'm glad you don't hate me, or any other Canadian - don't know where he got that from. Weird.

I like what I see when I look at you too!!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
160. He's flying the Quebec flag, maybe he confused himself with every other Canadian?
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 01:08 AM
Oct 2015

Not that I hate him, I try not to hate anyone.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
161. That could be.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 01:15 AM
Oct 2015

And I know that hating people isn't something you do. But whatever it takes to berate or insult, even if it makes no sense whatsoever.






cui bono

(19,926 posts)
164. No one is hurt by you and the rest of the Clinton Cavers' hatred except yourselves.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 09:08 PM
Oct 2015

And your chosen candidate.

At least try to be a little bit honest. That place is not about the truth at all, simply spewing hatred. If it were about anything more than that the "Issues" forum would have been opened from the get go. But that only happened because it was ridiculed that there was no issues discussion there either, just hate, and it was a full month after the other forums were filled with your smears, vile hatred and plots to stalk other DUers.

It's all been posted for everyone to see. So yeah, let's see if you can be a little bit honest.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
168. The truth is that HRC took personal money from Goldman-Sachs to boost her fortune.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 08:51 PM
Nov 2015

That's a fact. She did it more than once. Again that's a fact. Big corporations are backing her campaign, her foundation and her personal fortune. That's another fact.

In 2000 Rep Sanders (the nitwit that built the poster in the OP got it wrong) voted for a bill that got changed by the Senate and signed by your idol Pres Clinton. I have no doubt that H. Clinton will appoint the same financial advisers that her husband used that screwed the 99%. But I am wasting my breath on those that idolize the wealthy and ignore the 16 million children that live in poverty because of the Conservative rule by both parties.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
75. Plural? And we definitely know someone who would send a threatening letter would never lie.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:11 AM
Oct 2015

Poster, please.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
99. He made the vote
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:16 AM
Oct 2015

Why is BS to be immune from criticism like any other candidate. I've been told we have a positive duty to find something to criticize. So how come BS gets a pass? This is DU where the leaders get their feet held to the fire normally.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
101. NOT ON THE BILL THAT PASSED. What part of that is hard for you to comprehend?
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:21 AM
Oct 2015

The modification that fucked up the economy, the one described in the OP was not in the bill Sanders voted on. The OP is false as to Sanders, but not as to Senators who voted for the modified bill or to the Clinton White House.

Tell me what was wrong with the bill he did vote yes on. And if you do find something wrong, then tell me why Clinton was pushing the bill. Maybe then, we can discuss this. but, so far, you've got nothing, except that a member of Congress voted on a bill. Stop the presses.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,543 posts)
7. Sanders wasn't a Senator in 2000.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 11:45 PM
Oct 2015

He was in the House then. The bipartisan bill passed in the House, 377-4, with 51 not voting. It was passed with amendments on a voice vote in the Senate and signed into law by Bill Clinton. So what's your point?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
56. "Bernie never voted for the bill that contained the Senate compromise"
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 02:45 AM
Oct 2015

I wonder if the people who thought this was an awesome gotcha and recc'ed it realize this?

Too funny.

I'm bookmarking this thread.

So much fail in such a short op.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
62. But he worked so hard on the graphic.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 02:56 AM
Oct 2015

Can't you tell?

I hope he leaves it, shows how desperate and dishonest some people are to smear Bernie.

Considering who their candidate is they really shouldn't attack him on this issue.

Attacking him on his strengths is Rovian but it won't work on DU.


 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
23. Just now came back from that page.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 12:26 AM
Oct 2015

Thanks for posting the summary, VO, and for showing what a hopelessly idiotic reach is the OP.

Talk about throwing poop! Ol' George probably read recently that it's a sign of intelligence among certain primates.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
108. The point was to lob an ugly lie, to try to smear Bernie to unwary voters.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:41 AM
Oct 2015

but you knew that, and called it out..

Thank you for doing that.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
10. And Ron Paul voted against it.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 11:50 PM
Oct 2015

Did you make that graphic all by yourself? It's pretty bad, graphic-design-wise.

Report1212

(661 posts)
13. I wonder if this crappy low resolution meme maker
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 11:57 PM
Oct 2015

Even realized they confused the commodities futures modernization act with the financial services modernization act. Does anyone here? Has DU become illiterate?

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
98. They aren't going to hemmed in by things like truth or accuracy or facts
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:14 AM
Oct 2015

If they relegated themselves to posting truth it would be a mighty quiet bunch.

Response to George II (Original post)

cer7711

(502 posts)
30. FAIL.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:10 AM
Oct 2015

Heh-heh! Ah . . . good grief.

Nice try, though.

LOOK AT HIS ENTIRE VOTING RECORD, NOT ONE VOTE COMPLETELY DIVORCED OF CONTEXT!

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
32. The House vote was 377 to 4.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:15 AM
Oct 2015

Yes votes included the votes of liberals Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, Marcy Kaptur, Sherrod Brown, and Ed Markey.

The vote was "was taken under a House procedure called 'suspension of the rules' which is typically used to pass non-controversial bills."

I guess they didn't know what they were voting for.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/106-2000/h540

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
112. The final version passed the House as part of a big budget bill
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 11:27 AM
Oct 2015

Last edited Fri Oct 2, 2015, 12:39 PM - Edit history (1)

...which Sanders voted for.

History of The Commodity Futures Modernization Act:
https://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2009/04/01/read-the-bill-the-commodity-futures-modernization-act/


Roll call on the budget bill:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/106-2000/h603

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
33. Total over-reach there, Georgie-poo...
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:19 AM
Oct 2015

Or grasping at straws, shall we say?

Really bad graphic design, too 😜

Response to George II (Original post)

C Moon

(12,207 posts)
38. Grasping for straws is a sign of hopelessness....also,
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:26 AM
Oct 2015

can you blow it up a bit more?—the awful resolution should be 10% more, to make it resemble a BS meme from a sleazy RWNJ website.
Just looking at the quality makes me want to wash my hands for 20 minutes.

neverforget

(9,436 posts)
41. If you're going to catapult propaganda, you should at least know that Sanders was a
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:45 AM
Oct 2015

Representative at the time. He became Senator in the 2006 election.

Good to see you took up the challenge:
http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=978

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
145. Not uncommon amongst the Democratic political class
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 07:09 PM
Oct 2015

I used to work with a guy who hated farmers. He would actually say that to me.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
146. What I want to know is how we can be both "trailer trash" and elite leftists?
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 07:11 PM
Oct 2015

Do the tt supporters drive late model Volvos and wear Birkenstock knock offs?

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
166. omg... he should have known not to post something from zidzi!!!
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 09:17 PM
Oct 2015

LMAO...

Is Chae just setting them up she HATED Hillary just 7 years ago. I mean with a passion. Posted a super sexist toon about her and one that called her a LIAR. Is she really a Bernie supporter trying to make Hillary supporters look bad?

Georgie... don't trust her!!!


merrily

(45,251 posts)
42. Bernie voted for the bill when it lacked the Senate modification that fucked up the bill and the
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:52 AM
Oct 2015

economy.

Bernie never voted for the bill that contained the Senate compromise (and no one knows that better than the Clintons).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1277&pid=9158 (only the last three paragraphs of the post are about the Commodities Futures bill, the beginning is about Gramm, Leach, Blilely, aka repeal of Glass Steagall)

What a dishonest insinuation the Opening Post makes!

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
45. Great refutation; best in the thread.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 02:06 AM
Oct 2015

The original post was absurd on the face of it--but it's nice to have the details behind this clumsy distortion. Thanks.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
54. Ha ha! Funny! So you were good to go.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 02:41 AM
Oct 2015

I like it. Being prepared in advance is excellent--especially with the amount of propaganda being catapulted lately. This piece was a doozy, though. Glad you were ready to smack it down.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
57. I would never have started that research at this hour.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 02:47 AM
Oct 2015

Reality is, Bubba lobbied hard for repeal of Glass Steagall and this bill, which most believe led us to the economic collapse of several nations of 2008. Sanders strenuously opposed the first and had nothing to do with the second. Hillary embraced both. Now (but not in 2008), they are trying to disassociate her from Bubba's administration and smear Bernie with this?

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
59. I agree 100%.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 02:52 AM
Oct 2015

It is right out of bizarro world.

The willingness to distort reality, as evidenced by the original post, makes my skin crawl. It's one thing when someone has a different view. Differences of opinion I get. But when someone cynically distorts any reasonable understanding of reality in the hopes of misleading others? I feel like I need to take a shower when I see that.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
61. Whoever posted that the Op was Rovian nailed it. Attack your opponent on your own weakness and
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 02:55 AM
Oct 2015

his strengths.

Bush deserted, so they Swiftboated Kerry, who enlisted and got medals. Same principle.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
66. Again, you've nailed it.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:05 AM
Oct 2015

Great comparison vis-a-vis the Kerry swiftboating.

Well, perhaps this is a good sign. They're upping the caliber of the propaganda, which suggests they're getting worried. Back in June, when I was debating an issue with a Hillary supporter, I was airily told that "Hillary is not at all concerned with the Sanders campaign." ~sniff~ (I probably imagined the sniff, but I could swear I somehow heard it over the Internet.)

Looks like they're getting concerned now.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
69. They've always been worried and the caliber of all dirty tricks is low, low, low.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 05:36 AM
Oct 2015

Hillary did not live through 2008 without learning she is not inevitable. That lesson is exactly why, before Obama even got re-elected, we starting hearing that, if she ran, no one would even bother running against her. She has been running to be the first woman President since at least 1991. However, after 2008, it got more thorough and methodical. It doesn't matter that it's Bernie. After people tried to draft him in 2012, I am sure that he and Warren were part of preparation for this campaign.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
81. I see.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:27 AM
Oct 2015

Well, you certainly expanded on his point well. You've got a lot of knowledge and good insight. I can see why Sabrina holds you in high regard. (I think she's awesome, by the way.)

merrily

(45,251 posts)
83. Thanks. Sabrina is indeed awesome. When I first starting posting at DU,
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:35 AM
Oct 2015

she and woo me with science were my idols. I cannot express how much I miss woo me with science.

She hasn't posted since they put her DU account under review. She survived the review, but hasn't returned. I hope she is ok. Someone posted that she was having some RL issues at the time her account went under review. I worry about her a lot.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
128. It's not the first Rovian scheme. Yesterday he was getting blamed for the mass-shooting.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:14 PM
Oct 2015

No low is too low when it comes to protecting Her Majesty.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
74. Coming from a researcher extraordinaire such as you, that is high praise indeed.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:08 AM
Oct 2015

I blush, then bow humbly, in grateful respect.



merrily

(45,251 posts)
119. My reply 42 links to a post I had written about the bill in July for another reason.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 12:19 PM
Oct 2015

I don't know if I would have caught it otherwise.


The reason I looked originally was that I had noticed that Rep. Sanders had voted for a bill that had allowed all that mortgage derivative crap. I thought, "This does not sound like something Sanders would vote for." So, I looked into it and, sure enough, the bill wasn't that way when he voted for it.

xocet

(3,871 posts)
44. Were you ducking sniper fire while posting your propaganda piece?
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:59 AM
Oct 2015


Yea 377, Nay 4, Not Voting 51

Bernie Sanders was a Representative at that point - not a Senator.


 

Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
67. "What's dragging HRC's poll numbers down is the behavior of her supporters".....
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:01 AM
Oct 2015

To paraphrase The Queen of Wall Street herself: "Shame on You George 2! Shame on you!"....

merrily

(45,251 posts)
89. Let's not fight one falsehood with another. The candidates are making or breaking themselves.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 07:05 AM
Oct 2015

Sanders has a million donors and many more supporters than donors. So does Hillary. The idea that anyone claims to know what the supporters of either of them is like is pretty ridiculous, second only to the idea that anyone is picking a President based on millions of his or her supporters behave.

 

Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
121. Merrily, your sarcasm detector may need adjusting....
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:17 PM
Oct 2015

my intention was to Lampoon the ridiculous claims made by more than a few HRC supporters here. I would never choose a candidate in such a manner.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
122. I did not intend to imply that YOU purported to choose your candidate in that matter.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:31 PM
Oct 2015

We all know who has and who hasn't.

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
71. I am so tickled
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:00 AM
Oct 2015

Last edited Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:50 AM - Edit history (1)

To see your post up so high Georgie. Next time do your research . Good try though, like the kid taking a swing at the ball and wracking themselves in the crotch, I wince, but giggle.

On edit: I bet there was a reason OP at that other site had no interest sharing it here, did you get set up?

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
79. I think you need to order some more straw.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:24 AM
Oct 2015

On the other hand, thanks for so cleverly illustrating the complete lack of investigative skills, and reliance on lying headlines, that seems to characterize lame and useless attacks against Bernie. Well done, there! No need to take you seriously any more, if there ever really WAS a need to do that! Thanks!

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
82. George, you've been handed your ass on a silver platter. Hard to believe you haven't self-deleted.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:29 AM
Oct 2015
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
87. As always, the point of the OP was not to be truthful - the point of the OP is to have that headline
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:46 AM
Oct 2015

appear. Also, maybe George really is incapable of comprehending his mistake.

ms liberty

(8,545 posts)
86. Wow. Epic fail here, George II...
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:41 AM
Oct 2015

I've enjoyed watching you get your ass handed to you in this thread. Did you think no one would call you on the huge, gaping errors in your ugly meme, or did you even check it for accuracy?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
92. Note the bunch of excuses
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 07:44 AM
Oct 2015

Seems that when Bernie makes a bad call, it's OK. Bernie exceptionalism. After being accused of "not being able to handle criticism" of President Obama for years, it is funny to see probably the same posters cannot handle criticism of their candidate.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
93. He didn't make a bad call.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 08:43 AM
Oct 2015

Did you even read the thread?

42. Bernie voted for the bill when it lacked the Senate modification that fucked up the bill and the

economy.


Bernie never voted for the bill that contained the Senate compromise (and no one knows that better than the Clintons).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1277&pid=9158 (only the last three paragraphs of the post are about the Commodities Futures bill, the beginning is about Gramm, Leach, Blilely, aka repeal of Glass Steagall)

What a dishonest insinuation the Opening Post makes!

merrily

(45,251 posts)
96. WOW! Sanders did NOT make a bad call and I posted facts with links, not excuses. Meanwhile Bubba
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:07 AM
Oct 2015

pushed for this bill and for repeal of Glass Steagall. I know you guys are trying to attack Bernie on his strengths and Clinton's weaknesses, ala Rove, but it 's not working well for you AT ALL>

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
103. Oh, I think that adding a rec and kick was pretty much the only objective.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:24 AM
Oct 2015

Only a dummkopf would not know it was a lie.

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
106. Tree...
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:30 AM
Oct 2015

Please read the content of the voting record aND the references in what you call 'excuses'. I think you're smarter than this kind of pile on to a patently false statement.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
111. So OP gets caught lying, and you decide to double-down on the lying.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 11:11 AM
Oct 2015

Why am I not surprised?

1) Sanders wasn't a Senator in 2000.
2) The bill in question was amended by the Senate after Sanders voted on it in the House. The modified version had the repeal that fucked up the economy.
3) Stupid "gotcha" lies aren't going to make Clinton into a personable candidate.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
127. I hope I live long enough to see and actual honest criticism
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:12 PM
Oct 2015

The Hillary camp seems to be mainly concerned with making shit up.

Kind of like Hillary.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
110. Could it be that the OP is just another vile calumny against Sanders?
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:56 AM
Oct 2015

Why yes, yes it could.



K&R just because.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,543 posts)
113. Looks like a drive-by, since George hasn't been back
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 11:27 AM
Oct 2015

to try to defend this nonsense.

Maybe because it's indefensible?

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
114. Georgie where ever have you gone to?
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 11:29 AM
Oct 2015

Happily you can depend on good ole Treestar to kick your post for you even after it has been proved to be pure and utter horseshit.

What a team!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
133. "FACTS"? You keep using that word...
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:29 PM
Oct 2015
Bernie voted for the bill when it lacked the Senate modification that fucked up the bill and the economy.

Bernie never voted for the bill that contained the Senate compromise (and no one knows that better than the Clintons).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1277&pid=9158 (only the last three paragraphs of the post are about the Commodities Futures bill, the beginning is about Gramm, Leach, Blilely, aka repeal of Glass Steagall)


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=640346


Puglover

(16,380 posts)
140. That poster is probably busy composing
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:21 PM
Oct 2015

their next trillion word post to actually read the substance of this OP. Another great member of the "team".

God how embarrassing.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
143. You'd think they'd learn.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:25 PM
Oct 2015

Every last one of their nonsense attempts at smearing or undercutting Bernie has been pounded into the ground like a tent peg with the hammer of facts. Yet they keep trying, in their sad little way. Herpity-derpity derp!

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
138. This is kind of like one of those Jason Movies
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 05:21 PM
Oct 2015

Every time it seems to sink into the swamp, it keeps rising to the top again.

It's ALIVE eeeeeeeeee!

(I am only posting because it's back at the top again.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
148. As others have pointed out, your OP is incorrect, please substantiate your allegations...
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:38 PM
Oct 2015

with links to votes and changes in the bill.

Remember the Clinton team, many of which became economic advisors to Obama? And why so many objected to his advisors???

Do you remember listening to Obama in 2007/2008 when he basically said said 'who could have predicted the financial problems' we now faced. Many did, but they obviously were not the same economic advisors who pushed for deregulation under Clinton and who were now giving advice to Obama. That is what happens, IMHO, when candidates rely on funding and advice from the same set of people. Sometimes you need a fresh look!


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-blumenthal/how-congress-rushed-a-bil_b_181926.html


"In the waning days of the 106th Congress and the Clinton administration, Congress met in a lame-duck session to complete work on a variety of appropriations bills that were not passed prior to the 2000 election. There were other, unmet pet priorities of some lawmakers that were under consideration as well. One of those pet priorities was a 262-page deregulatory bill, the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. Tucked into a bloated 11,000 page conference report as a rider, with little consideration and no time for review, this bill would be viewed only eight years later as part of the failure of our political system abetting a financial storm that brought the world to its knees.

The saga of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act begins in 1998. At the time, the economy was booming, stocks soared, and new instruments of trading were found to make more money while evading the oversight of regulatory bodies. Two of those growing instruments were financial derivatives and credit-default swaps. As these new financial instruments emerged a debate began over whether or not to regulate them...


...Leading the charge in Congress were Sens. Phil Gramm (R-TX) and Richard Lugar (R-IN) and Rep. Thomas Ewing (R-IL). In May of 2000, Rep. Ewing introduced his Commodity Futures Modernization Act. While Ewing's bill sailed quickly through the House, it stalled in the Senate, as Sen. Gramm desired stricter deregulatory language be inserted into the bill. Gramm opposed any language that could provide the SEC or the CFTC with any hope of authority in regulating or oversight of financial derivatives and swaps. Gramm's opposition held the bill in limbo until Congress went into recess for the 2000 election.

...The final language, which the public was hardly aware of, contained some new sections not in the original Ewing bill that, for all intents and purposes, exempted swaps and derivatives from regulation by both the CFTC, which had already implemented rules that it would not regulate swaps and derivatives, and the SEC. Also, hidden within the bill was an exemption for energy derivative trading, which would later become known as the "Enron loophole" - this loophole would provide the impetus for Enron's nose dive into full blown corporate corruption..."


slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
155. Summers, Phil Gramm and the law NOT to regulate derivatives
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 12:59 AM
Oct 2015
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/slipslidingaway/154

Posted by slipslidingaway in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Sat Apr 04th 2009, 02:07 PM

As Obama Taps Larry Summers, Recalling Summer's Days as a Regulation Foe

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2008/11/obama-taps-larry-summers-recalling-summers-days-regulation-foe

Summers 1998 Senate appearance...

"We understood the seriousness of making this proposal. To question an independent agency's concept of its jurisdiction and then to propose legislation that would temporarily curtail that agency's ability to act is not something we do lightly. We concluded, however, that such legislation was necessary to avoid disruption and dislocation in the market while the underlying issues were being considered by Congress.


Congress in late 2000 did end up implementing the Summers approach, when Senator Phil Gramm, then the head of the Senate banking committee, used a back-room maneuver to slip into a must-pass spending bill a measure that prevented the CFTC or the SEC from regulating derivatives..."


http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009...

"WILLIAM K. BLACK: There were two really big things, under the Clinton administration. One, they got rid of the law that came out of the real-world disasters of the Great Depression. We learned a lot of things in the Great Depression. And one is we had to separate what's called commercial banking from investment banking. That's the Glass-Steagall law. But we thought we were much smarter, supposedly. So we got rid of that law, and that was bipartisan. And the other thing is we passed a law, because there was a very good regulator, Brooksley Born, that everybody should know about and probably doesn't. She tried to do the right thing to regulate one of these exotic derivatives that you're talking about. We call them C.D.F.S. And Summers, Rubin, and Phil Gramm came together to say not only will we block this particular regulation. We will pass a law that says you can't regulate. And it's this type of derivative that is most involved in the AIG scandal. AIG all by itself, cost the same as the entire Savings and Loan debacle..."




cui bono

(19,926 posts)
163. I wish cali was still here if this is what we have to endure when you're not busy stalking her.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 08:36 PM
Oct 2015

Dude, seriously... do you not care how ridiculous this is?

I thought the alert stalking cali post over at the Clinton Cave would have shamed you at least a little bit, but this OP is just embarrassing. I think this one might even get ridiculed on Freeperville.

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