2016 Postmortem
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(16,286 posts)is expressed.
After Oregon and a few other things, I truly believe we are all in danger now, real danger.
classof56
(5,376 posts)I am deeply saddened by the Umpqua tragedy, for one reason because my 18-year-old grandson, who attends a different community college in Oregon, just told me he's resigned to dying at the hands of a crazed gunman, and pretty much figures none of us is safe anywhere. He's a strong gun control advocate, but sees efforts to enact any legislation as futile. As I've done before, I apologized to him for the state of the world we've left him and his brother, my only grandchildren. Mostly I feel sick, tired and very, very sad.
FSogol
(45,355 posts)HRC 2016 sticker under it was an "OR" followed by a Bernie Sanders 2016 sticker. I snapped a picture of it, but too much rain and moisture to be legible.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)FSogol
(45,355 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)So what to do?
BlueWaveDem
(403 posts)Skinner
(63,645 posts)How about if the rest of us get on board instead of playing the blame game?
JustAnotherGen
(31,681 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)I have not seen DSB being snarky or rude or instantly dismissive.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)As for why lie, I apologize for stumbling into your department.
Number23
(24,544 posts)comment seemed to provoke. And in a thread about the unhinged level of acrimony in this forum too, no less.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)And I have never had a timeout.
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PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Only the last 90 days.
MineralMan
(146,189 posts)which reflect all hidden posts in the past 90 days. You can see yours in your profile. Just click Transparency, and then click Show me My Transparency page.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)LettuceSea
(337 posts)I'm a Biden guy but he's probably given the best rationale to why he prefers HRC as the nominee over Joe.
We've all got our biases, but he's one of the best at being civil and thoughtful of all sides when it comes to D candidates IMO.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)eom
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)ˈakrəˌmōnē/
noun
noun: acrimony
bitterness or ill feeling.
"a quagmire of lawsuits, acrimony, and finger-pointing"
synonyms: bitterness, anger, rancor, resentment, ill feeling, ill will, bad blood, animosity, hostility, enmity, antagonism, waspishness, spleen, malice, spite, spitefulness, peevishness, venom
"the meeting ended with acrimony on both sides"
16. I thought about the issue some more...
I thought about the issue some more...
I don't give a rat's ass if someone wants to marry their toaster and even if he or she wants to consummate the union with it.
As to polygamy don't expect me to stand behind you or in front of you. Just don't piggyback on the fight for marriage equality.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6941564
and many numerous posts where DSB has brought up the subject of punching people in the face.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)cut ties with those who are responsible for most of it. Everyone who does that, helps improve the site. Meantime sticking to the issues is the best way to respond to hatred and personal attacks.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)Sabrina, I have 60,000 posts so I am sure I have slipped a time or two but I try to make a conscientious effort to avoid the threads that are solely intended to annoy supporters of this candidate or that candidate.
It's kind of pointless...If I don't try to make folks mad in real life why should I want to make folks mad on the internet.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)agree it's best to stay out of them.
Primary season should be about issues. But the personal attacks on supporters and candidates that we've seen make it difficult to not respond. Sanders, eg, is not a racist and neither are his supporters. But that has been the theme here for months by a small faction who now, thankfully have their own site to go to for this kind of thing. Hopefully that will lessen the nastiness here.
Prism
(5,815 posts)I kid.
I take weekends off from reading here. By Monday, I'm no longer invested in whatever drama is happening, and it's easier to read along without getting tetchy.
Reading every single day for hours each day is liable to induce aneurysm. There's a reason a lot of time-outs come from high volume posters. People get too invested and lose perspective.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Clean up your own act before whining about other people's.
Saves one from looking like just another preachy hypocrite.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)And I have never had a timeout ! ! !
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99Forever
(14,524 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)I can't remember a time here when there were so many personal attacks. Sad state of affairs.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)But while you are saying this here you are in several other threads high fiveing the very acrimony you describe.
Have you ever told an hrc supporting poster they are over the top? I have to Bernie posters here.
When you congratulate misinformation and disingenuous or factually incorrect statements you add to the acrimony you so detest
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)I think I am pretty good at ignoring the anti-Bernie threads. Your point that I don't criticize those starting them is a fair one. Why do I just ignore and not criticize? Because there are so few Clinton supporters on this board I don't want to be bereft of allies when I am under attack.
demmiblue
(36,743 posts)However, they are not your allies if they would turn on you so quickly. And, yes, I have seen it done on more than one occasion. I get it.
The nature of the beast, I guess.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)Random points
-The most salient point is that if you gave a blind ideological test the lion's share of the posters here would be closer to one another than to any conservative. Anecdotally when I take the I side Tests I score higher Green than Democrat.
-There is a lot of projection on both sides. Attributing the malice that resides in one's self to others.
-There is also a lot of narcissism of small differences,i.e., some posters magnify the small differences they have with other posters to maintain some sense of identity.
-Many threads like the "Bernie hates minorities and loves guns" threads are really stupid and lack all sense of proportion or nuance. Many threads like "Hillary hates gays and loves banksters and war" are equally lacking in proportion and nuance.
- I know my plea for comity will fall on deaf ears though I got to promote some discussion
PEACE
demmiblue
(36,743 posts)Disappointing.
Oh well.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)Like the posting where I took umbrage at a DU member calling another DU member a clown:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=644071
Calling people clowns isn't very nice, ----
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Actually, it's really messed up! Out of respect for my fellow denizens of this board I used "messed up" in lieu of the colloquialism I really wanted to use.
DSB
P.S. At times I wish I had the forbearance of posters like Evergreen Emerald but alas I don't.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)That fickle I would realign
As it is you are giving them a free pass out of fear
djean111
(14,255 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Thank you for deleting your recent OP.
Maybe Skinner's commentary in this thread will help others to try a little harder as well.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)And when my fellow Bernie supporters pointed out its silliness I agreed and self deleted
I have never seen an hrc supporter do even as little as that
MineralMan
(146,189 posts)are full of that. It's not easy, but I'm trying.
PJMcK
(21,916 posts)Too often on this site, the vitriol between people who could be allies is tiresome. Some posters, it seems, feel they have to have the last word or be "right." Usually, I skip over those threads as the back and forth becomes annoying and not enlightening.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)meet DSB's face.
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polly7
(20,582 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)If the AA community doesn't need or want the help of the Progressive community, so be it. Good luck with your RWers! I hope Bernie stops trying to jump through hoops for them because nothing he does will ever satisfy them.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Those theads were the worst of the worst.
Ugly.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Yes there is too much acrimony. I try to behave, but I'm guilty of it on occasion, when my dander gets up. Unfortunately, it is a negatuve feedback loop.
But there's also a bit too much condescending dismissiveness of people either by groups or individually. When people's legitimate opinions or concerns are treated as "Boy are they stupid" or "you're stupid" rather than healthy exchange of opinions. Which can sometimes add to the negative feedback loop. (There's a difference between that and good humored bantering.)
Again, guilty of that myself sometimes, though I try to keep it within the realm of good natured bantering.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)"Chuck a rock ... The dog that yelps, be the dog done got hit."
I guess some just can't help themselves.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)BTW. you were missed.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I can attest to the fact that at least three DUers missed the shit out of me ... within a day of my return, I was called a liar, lectured to about the really, real legacy of both Martin and Malcolm, and flat out told I really pissed someone off for saying what I didn't say!
It's good to be missed!
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Calls for civility from those who've participated in the muck raking ring hollow. Many of us have been around here a long time. We'll see how sincere the OP is.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and then, his responses have been measured and non-personal.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)I remember I had this American Culture teacher when I was a senior in high school. Cool guy... He was African American. I would joke around with slogans like "west is best" and "the meek shall inherit the earth". He said "yeah, all six feet of it."
polly7
(20,582 posts)Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
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stevenleser
(32,886 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,694 posts)Can't remember the last time I posted in this forum.
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Anansi1171
(793 posts)...when you allow thinly veiled racist slurs like "nagger" , what do you expect?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Since you assert there is an undue amount, you also imply there is an amount that is due.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)SMC22307
(8,088 posts)the useless-white-supremacist-liberals-white-tears-sippers crowd has ventured over to their new site. Discussion of issues seems to be taking place again, rather than "Bernie's supporters suck" threads dominating.