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sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:50 AM Oct 2015

"Wow! Latest ISideWith Results Show Sanders Winning in All 50 States"

WOW!!!! Latest ISideWith Results Show Sanders Winning in All 50 States: http://thebernreport.com/latest-isidewith-results-show-sanders-winning-in-all-50-states/ … - via:@TheBernReport #FeelTheBern #Bernie2016


Latest ISIDEWITH Results Show Sanders Winning in all 50 States

As Bernie’s campaign picks up steam the latest results from isidewith.com show the momentum has carried Bernie to a commanding online lead. With 100,000 votes cast in September alone, Sanders is way out in front. Last month, according to I Side With, Sanders was ahead in 49 states with Clinton holding on to a slim lead in her home state of Arkansas but the lead there has vanished as well. Of course as we have said before, this is not a scientific poll by any stretch of the imagination but it shows just how popular the Vermont senator has become. The Summer of The Bern continues. We’d maintain this poll is however a more accurate indicator of what is happening with Bernie’s movement. Traditional polls use landlines phones and usually call people that voted along a certain party line last time – and neither one of those things represents Bernie’s massive amount of support.



State results were calculated from 98,081 voters for September 2015 for the question “If the Presidential election were held today, which candidate would you vote for?”


Click on this link and hover over each state to see the results of this poll!

Presidential Election Clinton V Sanders

Out with the OLD, in with the NEW. The Old Media is still trying to remain relevant in a world where the New Media is where people go to campaign for elections, for real activism, to get real results on what real people are thinking.

I expect that there will be cries of 'this means nothing, it's an internet poll'. Great, keep thinking that Social Media, which helped bring down a few dictators is irrelevant, no matter how wrong that may be.

Meantime this poll reflects the reality of the support for Sanders, the huge crowds are there because of the activism of those on Social Media.

I imagine when Television first started covering campaigns, the older generation dismissed that also.

Since Corporations took over the MSM their credibility has been shattered.

Obama benefited from the New Media also, while McCain had no clue how powerful a medium it is.
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"Wow! Latest ISideWith Results Show Sanders Winning in All 50 States" (Original Post) sabrina 1 Oct 2015 OP
corporations have always controlled the MSM lol nt msongs Oct 2015 #1
They were kept in check by the Fairness Doctrine. Clinton helped deregulate the media, allowing sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #2
^^^ This ^^^ 100%. nt malokvale77 Oct 2015 #134
two constituencies in this election- media consolidators and the NSA reddread Oct 2015 #331
we've been through this before - the FD was mostly an empty suit onenote Oct 2015 #334
99% in agreement with Sanders. Yep! nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #3
Wow! I'm more apt to believe this in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #4
You honestly think a candidate winning 93% of all districts is possible? Godhumor Oct 2015 #14
I'm amazed at how suddenly the polls showing Sanders 'closing in on Hillary and beating her in NH sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #138
Exactly... malokvale77 Oct 2015 #139
Yes Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #328
Pennsylvania: SANDERS-62.7%, Clinton - 37.3%, w/15,553 responses! Divernan Oct 2015 #5
They must have only polled DU people AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #23
Unscientific, online polling. This thread is giving me the giggles. Metric System Oct 2015 #25
Lol! Hillary supporters were free to vote in it. If enough Hillary supporters had voted in it sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #97
No, it wouldn't. It would still be an unscientific, online poll. Are people really this uninformed Metric System Oct 2015 #100
Shhhhhhh! zappaman Oct 2015 #101
... sheshe2 Oct 2015 #112
Yeah a few people are very angry over this poll! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #128
If by "angry" you mean "laughing uncontrollably", then yes. zappaman Oct 2015 #153
Cognitive dissonance AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #239
... zappaman Oct 2015 #244
Love that photo. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #360
Okay, laugh us thru the legitimacy aspirant Oct 2015 #104
...and ISideWith CAN be verified and proven? brooklynite Oct 2015 #316
Just like the heralded bunk MSM phone polls aspirant Oct 2015 #319
I remember Ron Paul supporters having the same reaction in 2008 NobodyHere Oct 2015 #123
Prove and verify the legitimacy of phone polls aspirant Oct 2015 #129
I remember Hillary supporters having the same reaction to polls on Obama like this also. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #130
Compare it with phone polls... MrMickeysMom Oct 2015 #115
Do you really not understand the difference between an online poll that anyone can vote in, Metric System Oct 2015 #116
No what is it? aspirant Oct 2015 #119
Answer the question... MrMickeysMom Oct 2015 #146
Most of the 'scientific polls' are done on landlines too. Who uses a landline anymore? So how sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #131
In all honesty... malokvale77 Oct 2015 #140
"Maybe that's the reason for the distress..." MrMickeysMom Oct 2015 #147
Folks at DU refuse to understand the difference between "scientific" and NOT scientific...just sad. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #151
Define a scientific poll aspirant Oct 2015 #152
Several people have asked for an explanation. So far I don't see one. Eg, how do we know sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #154
It is up to YOU, not me, to understand the statistical science behind scientific polling. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #201
Whether you agree with her or not, Sabrina is a nice person. Aerows Oct 2015 #207
Educate us, aspirant Oct 2015 #210
Here's the difference -- to some: Hepburn Nov 2015 #349
Oh my sweet God, I am getting SUCH a kick out of this. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #157
So since no one has yet asnwered the question, explain the controls on phone calls. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #158
I'm sorry the phone polls aren't giving you the results you want. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #161
We'll feel better when you prove the legitamacy of the "shit" phone polls aspirant Oct 2015 #170
I love it when people change topics and shift the burden of proof. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #176
You have presented no evidence aspirant Oct 2015 #179
I'm not defending phone polls. You placed the burden of defending them on me. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #181
"I'm not defending phone polls" aspirant Oct 2015 #184
Not what I wrote at all. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #186
No it's what I wrote aspirant Oct 2015 #188
I'm not discussing phone polls, because they're absolutely irrelevant to this topic. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #190
"not discussing phone polls" aspirant Oct 2015 #193
Why don't Hillary's supporters just vote for her in these polls? I didn't vote in this poll, but I sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #215
Would it kill you to be civil? Aerows Oct 2015 #208
I actually agree. Online polls for the lolz. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #137
Bernie is going to win all 50 states because... workinclasszero Oct 2015 #274
It's all over! Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #232
Good luck with that. Renew Deal Nov 2015 #352
share this out on whatever social media you use kenn3d Oct 2015 #6
I would hope if I shared this with people mythology Oct 2015 #107
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #7
Wow indeed!! Kick! RiverLover Oct 2015 #8
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #9
great news sabrina restorefreedom Oct 2015 #10
Adjust the settings and he sweeps all 50. MindfulOne Oct 2015 #11
K&R 99Forever Oct 2015 #12
... NuclearDem Oct 2015 #13
Like I said, out with the old, including old cliches! Like that one, old and all used up from too sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #20
Down with the old polls! "Controls" are for fascists! NuclearDem Oct 2015 #22
The S.O. and I didn't want to rig our contribution... OilemFirchen Oct 2015 #28
I love this thread. So much. Number23 Oct 2015 #111
Ooooooooh~ sheshe2 Oct 2015 #113
Lol! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #155
Me too. nt Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #350
That's right! You are obviously workinclasszero Oct 2015 #284
Prove to me unverifiable phone polls are scientific. aspirant Oct 2015 #287
What is the margin of error for the poll? Freddie Stubbs Oct 2015 #15
There is none, as it is unscientific Godhumor Oct 2015 #16
It is way, way, way larger than any DU poll. But it's true that when PEOPLE are polled sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #26
Right, scientific polls have a candidate winning by +17 when she is losing by -86 Godhumor Oct 2015 #30
Only bernie people push that site. It comes up every third thread in reddit. ChimpersMcSmirkers Oct 2015 #103
'Many people'! That's not very scientific. People are people. 33,000 in Boston the other night, how sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #133
LOL ... That made me laugh. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #31
+/- potato NuclearDem Oct 2015 #18
That’s.Fucking.Awesome. dorkzilla Oct 2015 #17
Absolutely! Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #19
Statistics professors all over the nation Skidmore Oct 2015 #21
No ... They are more likely, DEMANDING that Research Methods be a core curriculum requirement. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #32
Indeed. Skidmore Oct 2015 #37
Being dyslexic, I learned, early, in school to hate all things math-related ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #40
When I was in grad school, Skidmore Oct 2015 #44
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #47
I considered adding the latter Skidmore Oct 2015 #54
How about 33,000 people at one event this week. Are they 'dishonest'? sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #136
No. Skidmore Oct 2015 #142
Considering 87.4% of U.S citizens use the internet and 51.7% of U.S. citizens don't own or don't use in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #144
It is a convenience sample. Skidmore Oct 2015 #145
A scientific poll aspirant Oct 2015 #148
Yes. Skidmore Oct 2015 #150
ishcabible. my granmother grew up on such an island. sgtbenobo Oct 2015 #230
... sheshe2 Oct 2015 #162
"this is not a scientific poll by any stretch" No kidding! If a Hillary supporter posted a poll Metric System Oct 2015 #24
Why DON'T they post such a poll? IS there one? Maybe that's why we haven't seen them from sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #33
At least they were scientific and provided a snapshot of the race at the time. Unscientific polls Metric System Oct 2015 #57
It's scientific cuz I say so! zappaman Oct 2015 #108
Hey zappaman! sheshe2 Oct 2015 #109
At some point, we are just going to have to admit ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #163
I'll admit to no such thing tishaLA Oct 2015 #191
LOL. I don't know whether to ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #192
And I don't know now if I'm supposed to rec this thread. Duckfan Oct 2015 #197
Grouping this op with the "CNN doesn't poll under 50" and "4 Hispanics is a valid sample" Godhumor Oct 2015 #27
And don't forget that Hillary's numbers were sliding with AA's because of a poll that said that Number23 Oct 2015 #110
I still love this thread. Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #365
Any poll that is unverifiable is unscientific aspirant Oct 2015 #29
Okay. But do you really think MSM landline phone polls ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #34
Call them aspirant Oct 2015 #36
Okay. This ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #39
You starting digging this rabbit hole aspirant Oct 2015 #41
If any Hillary supporter leftynyc Oct 2015 #35
Hillary supporters post unverifiable, unscientific, MSM biased polls all the time aspirant Oct 2015 #38
Let me get this straight leftynyc Oct 2015 #42
Scientific results are verifiable and provable, aspirant Oct 2015 #48
And that has what to do leftynyc Oct 2015 #52
Prove it aspirant Oct 2015 #55
Ah leftynyc Oct 2015 #64
So, where is the proof aspirant Oct 2015 #66
That's dudette leftynyc Oct 2015 #69
Then enjoy this internet poll aspirant Oct 2015 #71
LOL leftynyc Oct 2015 #73
Then prove to me aspirant Oct 2015 #79
What part of leftynyc Oct 2015 #81
Why are you responding if I'm not worth the trouble? aspirant Oct 2015 #84
You seem to be reaching that point of ascension. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #70
I try to follow the truthful path aspirant Oct 2015 #75
Truth is good but so is comity. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #76
Funny, when Sanders began to out strip Hillary in those 'Scientific polls' they were 'not relevant sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #125
Feel free to link to any post leftynyc Oct 2015 #143
Yep ... That pretty much sums it up ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #50
Another rabbit hole aspirant Oct 2015 #56
Yep. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #61
"Unskewed polls" didn't work out for Romney in 2012 NuclearDem Oct 2015 #43
Political polls are propaganda period aspirant Oct 2015 #51
Yeah, the entire discipline of sociology would disagree with you on that, champ. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #53
Prove that the world of political pollsters is legitimate aspirant Oct 2015 #60
I have been called a few times for polls. sadoldgirl Oct 2015 #45
Huh? shenmue Oct 2015 #124
No, don't trust major joke news agencies aspirant Oct 2015 #132
Waaaay too funny not to KICK! zappaman Oct 2015 #46
This thread could end up being legendary. Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #58
As I said before, this is just the latest in hilarious poll threads Godhumor Oct 2015 #62
LOL!! DCBob Oct 2015 #49
Hey, What is the District of Columbia, BTW MrMickeysMom Oct 2015 #114
It is complicated kenfrequed Oct 2015 #59
Polls Or Not... Just Keep Asking... ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #63
Kick! zappaman Oct 2015 #65
Why aren't the Greens a choice? DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #67
Good question for some of us who sometimes vote Green. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #74
Did you agree with the results for your choice? KoKo Oct 2015 #82
It was a whole 3% difference between her Joe, and Bernie. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #86
Hillary supporters laugh, but the truth is most Dems are closer to Bernie's views. reformist2 Oct 2015 #68
I took the test. My results are above your post. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #72
Well, give Hillary a month... she'll "evolve" (nt) Ino Oct 2015 #99
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #77
"68. Hillary supporters laugh, but the truth is most Dems are closer to Bernie's views." kenn3d Oct 2015 #78
thank you very much!!!! wendylaroux Oct 2015 #80
Though it's unscientific... HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #83
That is a fun poll to take...thanks for the Heads Up! KoKo Oct 2015 #85
99% Bernie. 96% Hillary. That's the same result as when I took it over a month ago. It goes to show Metric System Oct 2015 #87
Kick! zappaman Oct 2015 #88
Yes, do you have any online polls showing Hillary winning? I'd be happy to kick them, but I sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #93
I asked 2 friends and they are both voting Clinton. zappaman Oct 2015 #94
Well there you go. You need to ask over 300,000 people, or at least a few hundred. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #95
I asked them again so it's 4 votes now! zappaman Oct 2015 #98
Internet polls are extremely accurate! NuclearDem Oct 2015 #102
post 26 aspirant Oct 2015 #106
Bookmarking! SunSeeker Oct 2015 #89
such a 'random' poll!!.. LOL! Bill USA Oct 2015 #90
Anyone can vote in it. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #96
as many times as tickles their fancy KittyWampus Nov 2015 #344
Bookmarking Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #91
Afternoon kick! zappaman Oct 2015 #92
the Bernie push poll that only knew how Bernie felt about 2/3 of the issues? LOL bettyellen Oct 2015 #105
Sigh shenmue Oct 2015 #127
You do understand this is meaningless? hrmjustin Oct 2015 #117
Just as meaningless aspirant Oct 2015 #120
No. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #121
Prove it. aspirant Oct 2015 #122
You made the claim. You prove it. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #126
Having trouble proving your meaningless phone polls aspirant Oct 2015 #135
A goodnight kick! zappaman Oct 2015 #118
Why so upset? It's just a poll! I haven't seen this much angst in a long time over a supposedly sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #156
If by "upset" you mean "finding it entertaining and hilarious", then yes...I'm "upset". zappaman Oct 2015 #159
In Ireland, they call the a Quiz Quiz! Except this one got a prize for NOT knowing the answer! bettyellen Oct 2015 #160
I can tell you that I know all the people of Ireland. zappaman Oct 2015 #189
Uh huh... malokvale77 Oct 2015 #141
This OP may be right up there with the infamous Moon bombing OP. Nt sufrommich Oct 2015 #149
Are there any online polls showing Hillary the winner? I keep looking, but Bernie seems to be sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #164
Online polls are meaningless unless they are scientific and even then I don't hrmjustin Oct 2015 #165
Prove that phone polls are scientific aspirant Oct 2015 #166
Well every candidate has the same opportunity to do well in an online poll. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #168
Because sanders supporters are more otganized on the internet. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #180
I can telll that I know a lot of people in Brooklyn who say you are wrong. Now you just made sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #182
I live in Brooklyn and can tell you he is only popular in North west Brooklyn but that is it. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #183
You might want to look up the term "click bait",which is the real explanation sufrommich Oct 2015 #167
They're all click bait. Money is the reason for the tradtional polls. I asked some questions but sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #169
Proving absolutely nothing other than lots of Sanders supporters sufrommich Oct 2015 #171
Unverified phone polls aspirant Oct 2015 #172
OK,dude. nt sufrommich Oct 2015 #173
What a scientific response aspirant Oct 2015 #174
Or the thread about the "good liberal Doctor Oz" zappaman Oct 2015 #175
WHY DO YOU HATE MICHELLE OBAMA NuclearDem Oct 2015 #177
Listen, 50 million US viewers of RT can't be wrong! zappaman Oct 2015 #178
Seriously, it's just a poll. You are getting yourself all upset over a poll. Why, if it is so sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #194
"Upset" zappaman Oct 2015 #196
Hey, come on over to my new thread. I have to leave this one for a while. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #198
This one is funnier to kick! zappaman Oct 2015 #200
Great, thanks for keeping it going. So, any online polls where Hillary, who has as much chance as sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #204
You bet! zappaman Oct 2015 #205
I understand. I know it felt when it looked like my candidate was losing ground in past elections. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #206
Kick! zappaman Oct 2015 #209
That was the best. I could not stop crying when read that thread. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #185
Feeble attempts to bash DU and DUers works better on the 'cave' the new one too. Here people tend to sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #187
cornflake coating on fried chicken tishaLA Oct 2015 #195
When even conservatives and Republicans Aerows Oct 2015 #199
Yes, you are right Aerows, that's what this poll and others online are reflecting. And that is why sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #203
Does the internet have its own president? Bucky Oct 2015 #202
Evening kick aspirant Oct 2015 #211
Thank you aspirant! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #212
I thank you, Sabrina. aspirant Oct 2015 #213
Oh, I will! They show how amazingly popular Bernie is, how enthusiastic people are about his sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #216
.. RandySF Oct 2015 #214
They should just cancel the primaries! zappaman Oct 2015 #217
A dinnertime kick. OilemFirchen Oct 2015 #218
Good kick! zappaman Oct 2015 #219
This deserves a hundred recs! (n/t) OilemFirchen Oct 2015 #220
It's close! zappaman Oct 2015 #223
This deserves 95 recs! OilemFirchen Oct 2015 #231
98! zappaman Oct 2015 #248
101! OilemFirchen Oct 2015 #272
102! zappaman Oct 2015 #279
Still angry that people prefer Bernie to Hillary? sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #221
I think you're confusing anger with zappaman Oct 2015 #222
A "good evening" kick. zappaman Oct 2015 #224
Kick! zappaman Oct 2015 #225
And you're still throwing a temper tantrum over this poll? This might be the biggest tantrum anyone sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #226
Does this look like a temper tantrum? zappaman Oct 2015 #227
It's no use denying it, this poll has you in a tizzy. Same way people threw fits when Obama was sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #228
Uh huh. zappaman Oct 2015 #229
Wow. This looks really good for Sanders. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #233
Isn't it wonderful. aspirant Oct 2015 #240
It is...he really has this thing wrapped up. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #241
No need for curtains, aspirant Oct 2015 #242
Na...the oval office needs curtains Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #243
Only to match an untransparent President. aspirant Oct 2015 #245
Oh....I don't insult democrats--this is a democratic board Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #246
Transparency is what Dems stand for, aspirant Oct 2015 #247
Are you saying Sanders is not for transparency? zappaman Oct 2015 #249
So the DNC lets a non-democrat aspirant Oct 2015 #250
Apparently the DNC is ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #251
What about HRC, aspirant Oct 2015 #253
I haven't seen anyone ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #255
What does it make him? aspirant Oct 2015 #259
It makes him a man who refuses to be a Democrat ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #262
Are these Dem debates, aspirant Oct 2015 #264
Ask the debate organizers. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #265
Simple facts: aspirant Oct 2015 #267
Ask HRC. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #276
You're a HRC supporter, aspirant Oct 2015 #281
Oh, now I see your problem. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #285
Oh, I see now, aspirant Oct 2015 #288
Again, I don't know why such simple concepts confuse you. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #290
HRC talking points and surrogates, aspirant Oct 2015 #292
Has Sanders declared as a Democrat? zappaman Oct 2015 #252
Is he in Dem debates and on the Dem primary ballots nationwide? aspirant Oct 2015 #254
It's a simple question. zappaman Oct 2015 #256
HRC is answering it for me, aspirant Oct 2015 #257
Still a non answer. zappaman Oct 2015 #258
Weird aspirant Oct 2015 #260
Sorry, I didn't mean to stump you with my simple question. zappaman Oct 2015 #261
Your turn, aspirant Oct 2015 #263
How is it my turn? zappaman Oct 2015 #266
Your turn aspirant Oct 2015 #268
Truly sorry you can't answer a simple yes or no question. zappaman Oct 2015 #269
If HRC ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #283
HRC isn't "anyone else in the universe" aspirant Oct 2015 #286
I am perfectly able to be "at odds with" my candidate. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #289
Good, as long as we know you are speaking as a "rogue" supporter aspirant Oct 2015 #291
In HRC's camp ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #293
Where have I heard of "The Family" cult before aspirant Oct 2015 #294
No one said ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #295
Hmmm aspirant Oct 2015 #297
You really don't get it. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #298
Why can't you get it. aspirant Oct 2015 #299
Uh, because they already agreed ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #300
So both Bernie and the Dem party aspirant Oct 2015 #302
BS has stated, repeatedly ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #303
The ticket aspirant Oct 2015 #304
Why don't you ask BS HQ? NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #305
Simple question aspirant Oct 2015 #306
Ask the people who made that decision. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #307
You introduced it aspirant Oct 2015 #308
If you want to know why a decision was made ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #309
Isn't Bernie Wonderful aspirant Oct 2015 #310
Are you serious? Like I said this poll has really gotten you very, very upset. I will have to watch sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #273
The DR. Oz thread was better. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #234
What is your issue with Bernie? nt Logical Oct 2015 #235
No issue with Bernie Sanders. zappaman Oct 2015 #236
You seem to be slamming a lot of posts about him. But maybe I misunderstood. nt Logical Oct 2015 #237
I'll slam any bullshit post..especially one as ridiculous as this. zappaman Oct 2015 #238
No you don't slam 'any BS posts'. You slam good Democrats not that it ever effects anyone. But let's sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #278
Lol! zappaman Oct 2015 #311
Internet poll.... workinclasszero Oct 2015 #270
Unproven phone poll aspirant Oct 2015 #275
Phone polls, really? On LANDLINES? Who uses landlines anymore? And including people who are not sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #280
Pollsters are calling cell phones, too. RandySF Oct 2015 #321
Good aspirant Oct 2015 #323
Omg...Bernie winning all 50 states workinclasszero Oct 2015 #271
Isn't Bernie wonderful? aspirant Oct 2015 #277
Yes, he is!! The best candidate I can remember ever. The People's Candidate. And a People's Poll! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #296
People for People aspirant Oct 2015 #301
thebernreport ucrdem Oct 2015 #282
Yeah, if people would vote on the issues, Sanders would win pretty handily Bradical79 Oct 2015 #312
But but......he's unelectable! pinebox Oct 2015 #313
Bunk poll RandySF Oct 2015 #314
Just like the bunk unproven phone polls aspirant Oct 2015 #318
Most of those polls ARE scientific. RandySF Oct 2015 #320
Prove it aspirant Oct 2015 #322
This thread rises from the dead again! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #315
It's like an acid flash back. ronnykmarshall Oct 2015 #317
After tonight it will be 51 states!!! zappaman Oct 2015 #324
What about Puerto Rico? Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #325
Or Guam? zappaman Oct 2015 #326
Do we know if these numbers have changed since the debate? zappaman Oct 2015 #327
With Biden out, he gets Puerto Rico and Guam too, right? zappaman Oct 2015 #329
Well now that Lincoln Chafee is out.... Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #330
In light of recent trends this thread is hysterical! StrongBad Oct 2015 #332
It upsets you to see Bernie winning every state, doesn't it? zappaman Oct 2015 #333
kick. nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #335
I like it when 3rd way types ignore the people at their peril. Kalidurga Oct 2015 #336
What about Northern Marianas? Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #337
HAHA! Cha Nov 2015 #338
It'll be a long flight from there to convention in Philadelphia Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #339
Thank you for kicking one of the greatest threads ever. zappaman Nov 2015 #340
It truly is a wonderful thread. nt Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #345
Isn't it? zappaman Nov 2015 #353
WOW!!!!! Cha Nov 2015 #341
As a fair and dispassionate observer it is my observation that the results of the poll... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #342
Thank you for your fair and dispassionate observation. Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #363
K&R Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #343
Kick! zappaman Nov 2015 #346
Stalkers are creepy! sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #348
Wow. Glad someone kicked this. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #347
You are welcome! zappaman Nov 2015 #351
Stalkers are creepy. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #354
I agree! zappaman Nov 2015 #355
Stalkers are creepy! sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #356
I agree! zappaman Nov 2015 #357
This thread deserves 117 recs! OilemFirchen Nov 2015 #358
Bernie Sanders, President of the Internet firebrand80 Nov 2015 #359
One side is more active online, the other side is more active in real life. vorgan24 Nov 2015 #361
Kick. nt Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #362
. Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #366
Damn, I love your posts, and your replies. Always informative, provacative and spot-on. Scuba Dec 2015 #364
3 States down, Clinton has won 2... brooklynite Feb 2016 #367
K&R OilemFirchen Mar 2016 #368
sorry your man lost last night. stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #369

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
2. They were kept in check by the Fairness Doctrine. Clinton helped deregulate the media, allowing
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:30 AM
Oct 2015

only a few Corporations to own of it. Now there are NO standards that favor the people's right to fair and honest reporting.

Since deregulation, many voices are never heard on that medium. But they didn't count on the New Media thankfully, which I'm sure, now that they are beginning to see the power the people have which they thought they had under control, they will work hard to control that also.

If the TPP passes, that will begin to happen.

Which is why it is imperative that we have a president who is not Corporate owned.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
331. two constituencies in this election- media consolidators and the NSA
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 08:25 AM
Oct 2015

unless Bernie overwhelms their machinations, they will win with their chosen ones.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
334. we've been through this before - the FD was mostly an empty suit
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 01:28 PM
Oct 2015

There are far many voices being heard today thanks to the Internet than ever were heard during any period this.

The Fairness Doctrine was repealed in 1987. Since that time, the Repubs won the WH in 1988, 2000 (sort of), and 2004. Democrats won the White House in 1992, 1996, 2008 and 2012.

In the 28 years before the FD was repealed, repubs won the WH in 1968, 1972, 1980, and 1984 (Nixon twice and Reagan twice). The Democrats won in 1960, 1964, and 1976.

Conclusion: the FD really didn't wasn't all that significant. I began practicing communications law in 1978 - I've observed it up close when it was in effect and after its repeal.

Finally, the 1996 Act was passed by nearly unanimous and overwhelmingly veto proof majorities in the House and Senate, with the support of the vast majority of Democratic members. While there are provisions in the act that I think were misguided, there also a number of provisions in the law that benefited the public. The ones that were misguided in my opinion were those that loosened certain ownership restrictions on broadcast radio and television. For example, the Act got rid of the FCC's national ownership cap for radio stations and increased the number of radio stations a single entity could control in a local market to
local radio ownership limits (allowing ownership of up to 8 stations in a market that has at least 45 stations, with lower limits for markets with fewer stations). The result of this has been more concentration in the broadcast radio industry, but it still isn't a very concentrated market by most standards. Nationally, the four largest group owners of radio stations together control around 1660 stations (roughly 11 percent of all over the air radio stations). The total number of radio stations has increased since 1995 by nearly 30 percent -- most of this growth has been in the number of FM educational stations (which increased from around 1800 stations to over 4000 stations); the number of commercial FM stations increased by over 1300 stations (from around 5300 to around 6650). I don't think relaxing the ownership limits was a good idea, particularly since it helped grow Limbaugh's distribution. But the reality is that Limbaugh is carried on around 600 stations (and dropping); NPR is syndicated to around 900 stations. Both have around 13 million listeners weekly.

Over on the broadcast television side, the act increased the national audience reach for TV station ownership to 35% from 25%, eliminated the FCC's network-cable cross ownership rule and the statutory broadcast station-cable cross ownership restriction, but left in place the FCC's broadcast-cable and broadcast-newspaper ownership bans, leaving the FCC the same power to continue or eliminate those rules as it had prior to the Act. Other provisions, not relating to broadcast television, included one that deregulated the expanded tier of cable service (but left in place regulation of the basic tier).

You'd be hard pressed to make the case that those changes in the law are the reason that the electorate is divided today. It's been divided for a long time.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
4. Wow! I'm more apt to believe this
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 06:40 AM
Oct 2015

Poll than any corporate owned MSM poll and THESE results are much more in sync with what we are witnessing on the ground and in real life. No one is ever going to convince me that the massive groundswell of support we witness at Bernie's rallies and online doesn't translate into huge poll numbers on corporate owned MSM polls.


DOES-NOT-COMPUTE








sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
138. I'm amazed at how suddenly the polls showing Sanders 'closing in on Hillary and beating her in NH
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:41 AM
Oct 2015

and Iowa which last week were 'irrelevant' are now 'scientific'. Lol! I'll remember all this when the next corporate poll shows Bernie beating Hillary and we are told again that they are not relevant!

It's just a poll, you would think he had just won the election or something seeing all the angst in this thread.

But you're right. The huge crowds, 33,000 at one event this week alone, combined with the fact that he wins nearly all internet polls, seems like a sign of something to me.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
139. Exactly...
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:44 AM
Oct 2015

DOES-NOT-COMPUTE

Everywhere I go, people look at those polls and say, "huh?".

DOES-NOT-COMPUTE.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
5. Pennsylvania: SANDERS-62.7%, Clinton - 37.3%, w/15,553 responses!
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 07:47 AM
Oct 2015

And in Hillary's home state of New York:

SANDERS - 62.8 %
Clinton - 37.2 %
w/ 24,279 responses

In Bernie's home state of Vermont:

SANDERS - 88.8 %
Clinton - 11.2 %%
w/1243 responses

Pretty sweet!

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
23. They must have only polled DU people
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:21 PM
Oct 2015

Cuz everybody knows what happens on DU doesn't happen in the rest of the country!!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
97. Lol! Hillary supporters were free to vote in it. If enough Hillary supporters had voted in it
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 08:15 PM
Oct 2015

to make her the winner, I bet it would become 'SCIENTIFIC' instantly

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
100. No, it wouldn't. It would still be an unscientific, online poll. Are people really this uninformed
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 08:45 PM
Oct 2015

about polling methodology? It's no laughing matter.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
128. Yeah a few people are very angry over this poll!
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:16 AM
Oct 2015

Not my fault if there are no UNscientific polls where Hillary is the winner. I looked to be fair but just couldn't find one.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
104. Okay, laugh us thru the legitimacy
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 10:01 PM
Oct 2015

of a so-called scientific poll that can't be verified and/or proven. Prove the methodology of the poll by revealing the contact names and numbers so the methodology can stand up to scrutiny.

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
123. I remember Ron Paul supporters having the same reaction in 2008
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:10 AM
Oct 2015

"We were underpolled because we didn't have land lines"

"We won all the internet polls"

Yet their candidate lost big

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
129. Prove and verify the legitimacy of phone polls
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:18 AM
Oct 2015

because I'm sure you're not proposing these phone polls have been 100% accurate all the time.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
130. I remember Hillary supporters having the same reaction to polls on Obama like this also.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:18 AM
Oct 2015

Why are they so angry, it's just a poll!

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
116. Do you really not understand the difference between an online poll that anyone can vote in,
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 12:06 AM
Oct 2015

including multiple times, and a scientific poll?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
131. Most of the 'scientific polls' are done on landlines too. Who uses a landline anymore? So how
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:21 AM
Oct 2015

'scientific' are polls that leave out more than half the voters they should be polling? Regardless, Bernie wins hands down in all Internet polls, scientific or not.

They are free to post some internet polls Hillary has won. I couldn't find any. Maybe that's the reason for the distress.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
140. In all honesty...
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 02:07 AM
Oct 2015

I do have a landline. It is for my blind brother. He could never figure out a cell phone.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
147. "Maybe that's the reason for the distress..."
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 06:51 AM
Oct 2015

That, plus, I could not get the smallest amount of information in answer to my question above, which you helped to answer.

Sounds like posing any question or trying to analyze the comparison provokes that distress. It's just a question, and any question is met with anger.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
154. Several people have asked for an explanation. So far I don't see one. Eg, how do we know
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 11:27 AM
Oct 2015

that phone polls don't call the same number several time? How many polls are contacting people who don't use land lines anymore. They have acknowledged that with the increase of cell phone use, they are not getting to an awful lot of voters.

Pollsters themselves say they are concerned about their methology considering how wrong they got several major elections recently

If they are so scientific how come they got the UK election so wrong? Seeing the rising up of the people against neoliberal policies everywhere, you don't even need a poll to make an educated guess at the possibility that neolibs are likely to be thrown out of office wherever they are running.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
207. Whether you agree with her or not, Sabrina is a nice person.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 06:22 PM
Oct 2015

There is no reason to be so rude.

Every voter should be as enthusiastic about a candidate in the election. We all need to turn out and vote, otherwise we will keep getting the same recycled candidates that do little besides feather their own nests at the expense of the people.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
349. Here's the difference -- to some:
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 03:36 PM
Nov 2015

It is scientific if it gives Hillary a horrendous and insurmountable lead over everyone; it is not scientific if Sanders is ahead.

Source: Take a guess.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
157. Oh my sweet God, I am getting SUCH a kick out of this.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 11:34 AM
Oct 2015


Yes, please continue lecturing other people on what "scientific" is. It's not as if posting an Internet poll with absolutely no controls completely undercuts your credibility at all!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
158. So since no one has yet asnwered the question, explain the controls on phone calls.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 11:51 AM
Oct 2015

How eg, are the dealing with the fact that a majority of voters no longer use landlines? Yes, we know, some of them are adding a % of cell phone users now trying to catch up with the technology.

And how do we know that they are not calling the same numbers more than once?

How come they are getting it so wrong lately, acknowledged by the 'scientific' pollsters themselves?

I am getting lots of kicks out of this poll, thanks for yours btw.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
161. I'm sorry the phone polls aren't giving you the results you want.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 11:56 AM
Oct 2015

Maybe if you post another few shit internet polls you'll feel better.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
170. We'll feel better when you prove the legitamacy of the "shit" phone polls
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 12:38 PM
Oct 2015

60. "Prove that the world of political pollsters is legitimate

Bring to DU lists of contact names and numbers from individual polls so we can verify these numbers and make sure one respondent didn't get counted multiple times or if they just made up the numbers to please their MSM payers. I'll be waiting champ"

Still waiting champ

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
176. I love it when people change topics and shift the burden of proof.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:07 PM
Oct 2015

Or fail to understand that simply poking holes in another method doesn't validate theirs.

Whether phone polls are accurate or not is irrelevant. There's been no evidence presented that this internet poll is reliable, controlled for duplicate responses, or randomly sampled.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
179. You have presented no evidence
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:17 PM
Oct 2015

that phone polls are "reliable, controlled for duplicate responses, or randomly sampled."

I'll continue to wait champ.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
181. I'm not defending phone polls. You placed the burden of defending them on me.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:32 PM
Oct 2015

The person making a claim has to provide evidence. Even at that, reliability of phone polls has absolutely zero bearing on the reliability of Internet polls.

You're the one calling an important element of the social sciences "propaganda." You provide the evidence, not me.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
184. "I'm not defending phone polls"
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:47 PM
Oct 2015

good so you think they are meaningless too, glad we agree

"Reliability," it seems to be the common thread among polls, so I'm delighted that you think phone polls are unreliable too.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
186. Not what I wrote at all.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:58 PM
Oct 2015

I didn't say phone polls were unreliable. I said I'm not defending them because, again, the reliability of phone polls has nothing to do with the reliability of Internet polls.

You brought up the topic to deflect from how utterly unreliable this poll is.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
190. I'm not discussing phone polls, because they're absolutely irrelevant to this topic.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 02:23 PM
Oct 2015

You're the one who keeps trying to change the topic.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
193. "not discussing phone polls"
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 02:34 PM
Oct 2015

So they must not be worth your time and unreliable, I'm glad your not a wobbler.

Polls are polls are polls and are naturally related

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
215. Why don't Hillary's supporters just vote for her in these polls? I didn't vote in this poll, but I
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 12:48 AM
Oct 2015

will from now on. Voters are voting in all these online polls and Bernie is winining in all of them.

No one from the 'accepted' poll companies will be calling me, eg, because I have a cell phone. My MIL, otoh, a lifelong Dem was called consistently while I received no calls from pollsters.

E' xplain how 'scientific' it is to eliminate a huge part of he electorate in polls?

Face it, people like Sanders, millions of people. Hundreds of thousands are volunteering their time and professional skills to help him win this race. They are voting in online polls obviously, though not all of them, I haven't eg.

So, explain how 'scientific' a Primary poll is when half the population isn't being polled.

And how 'scientific' is it to include people who are not even in the race.

THIS poll focused only on those who are actually running.

Your 'scientific' polls are skewing the results by including Biden who isn't running.

How scientific is that?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
208. Would it kill you to be civil?
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 06:24 PM
Oct 2015

My God. Some folks around here are acting like the Democratic Primary is the Super Bowl, and yelling at the TV somehow makes their favored team play better.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
137. I actually agree. Online polls for the lolz.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:40 AM
Oct 2015

'Course, pretending that polls from September the year before the convention are meaningful towards the final outcome is pretty fucking hilarious too, but that hasn't stopped any of the Hillaryclintonsupporters.

So let Sabrina have her fun.

kenn3d

(486 posts)
6. share this out on whatever social media you use
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 08:13 AM
Oct 2015

Thanks sabrina 1,

This went up on my G+ first thing this morning.
Hope everybody will share this out on whatever social media you use.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
107. I would hope if I shared this with people
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 10:30 PM
Oct 2015

they would be informed enough to understand that this is literally worthless as a measure of public opinion. I would be embarrassed to show this to people as some representation of a candidate's support.

Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

 

MindfulOne

(227 posts)
11. Adjust the settings and he sweeps all 50.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 09:02 AM
Oct 2015

It's hard to tell where the colors go from HRC to Bernie, so I played with the settings and got this:

http://iSideWith.com/map/kc-y

State results from 352,790 voters since Jul 2015
for the question "If the Presidential election were held today, which candidate would you vote for?"

Bernie Sanders: 51/51 (100%) states won
Hillary Clinton: 0/51 states won

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
20. Like I said, out with the old, including old cliches! Like that one, old and all used up from too
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:08 PM
Oct 2015

much over usage!

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
22. Down with the old polls! "Controls" are for fascists!
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:15 PM
Oct 2015

If one person wants to vote in a poll two thousand times, who should we be to stop him?

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
28. The S.O. and I didn't want to rig our contribution...
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:38 PM
Oct 2015

so we only voted seven times: my five email addies and her two.

Shame on any who might have gamed this by cheating.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
284. That's right! You are obviously
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:59 PM
Oct 2015

A revolutionary in the Bernie army ND!

It's sweeping the nation with woo! Down with science , nobody's got time for that!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
26. It is way, way, way larger than any DU poll. But it's true that when PEOPLE are polled
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:33 PM
Oct 2015

on any forum on the internet, Bernie wins hands down. And that's what matters in the end, how the VOTERS, not just members of the Dem Base who are still using Landlines, view the candidates.

I haven't seen Hillary win a single online poll yet. Not to say she hasn't, but I haven't seen it.

This is the future of polling, the old ways are too flawed, admitted now by the pollsters themselves who were unable to predict eg, the UK elections, the Greek elections.

Their methods are old and haven't caught up with the new tech world we live in.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
30. Right, scientific polls have a candidate winning by +17 when she is losing by -86
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:45 PM
Oct 2015

This actual pollsters are going to be so redfaced when Bernie sweeps 50 states by the largest percentage of modern time.

And, no, it is a big DU poll with zero to do with reality. Just like DU GDP, in fact.

ChimpersMcSmirkers

(3,328 posts)
103. Only bernie people push that site. It comes up every third thread in reddit.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 09:43 PM
Oct 2015

It's trash and many people think it artificially pushes people to bernie.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
133. 'Many people'! That's not very scientific. People are people. 33,000 in Boston the other night, how
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:24 AM
Oct 2015

many do you think were 'artificially pushed' to be there?

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
17. That’s.Fucking.Awesome.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:06 PM
Oct 2015

The more people know about Bernie, the more they realize he is REALLY on their side. No slick media campaign, no measured, focus-group approved answers, just a man with a vision. A vision that has been 100% consistent for decades.

I’m sorry but my big issues are women’s health, the environment, reinstating Glass-Steigall and the TPP. TPP was a deal-breaker for me. I wouldn’t support anyone who supports the TPP.

Our only hope is that the other countries haven’t been bamboozled into accepting this fast track BS and they soundly reject it. Money doesn’t trump everything else.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
40. Being dyslexic, I learned, early, in school to hate all things math-related ...
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:06 PM
Oct 2015

until Grad school, when I was FORCED to take a Research Methods course. It was so eye opening to the basic misuse of polling and numbers (in general), that I took 3 or 4 more grad-level Statistics courses.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
44. When I was in grad school,
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:16 PM
Oct 2015

they treated Stats and Research Methods as a block within my area of study, so I tend to think of them that way. I took three stat courses and the methods course. I never considered myself a math whiz but the methods course was invaluable to understanding applications.

The poll referenced in this thread has been all over on FB and is just so dishonest that it could be considered malpractice.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
54. I considered adding the latter
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:35 PM
Oct 2015

but was uncertain as to how it would be received. It's probably both at this point.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
136. How about 33,000 people at one event this week. Are they 'dishonest'?
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:36 AM
Oct 2015

How so, and how is THAT 'scientific'? Are DU polls 'dishonest' too? DK polls? I remember Obama winning internet polls also.

Nearly all online polls show Bernie winning.

All it is is a reflection of how people who use the internet feel about the election.

No reason for people to be so angry.



Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
142. No.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 04:30 AM
Oct 2015

That poll isn't a reflection of how people use the internet either. It is a reflection of the dishonesty and/or ignorance of its creators only what the people who took that quiz are said to support.

As for people in a crowd, I don't take that as a representation of any more than people being curious at this point. I've been in crowds at political speeches and never voted for the person I came to listen too. In Iowa, that is quite common. The caucus is more than three months away. Lots can happen in that time period and the scientifically taken polls will go up and down. I'll track on them. At least they have methodology and their skew can be tracked.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
144. Considering 87.4% of U.S citizens use the internet and 51.7% of U.S. citizens don't own or don't use
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 06:11 AM
Oct 2015

a LANDLINE PHONE, this poll represents a much more ACCURATE overview of who voters will vote for.

Not only do the 87.4% internet users have to deliberately go to this web site to take the poll, but they do it WILLINGLY. While the ONLY 48% who still use landline phones are interrupted at dinnertime, while working, helping kids with homework and are more likely given leading questions to answer that will favor whichever CORPORATE OWNED CANDIDATE is Paying for that particular Corporate Owned poll.

Not only is the internet a much, much larger sampling - it's more accurate. REAL PEOPLE ANSWERING REAL QUESTIONS - because they want to, not because some CORPORATE OWNED pollster interrupted their dinner to ask them leading questions that favor the Corporate Owned candidate.

87.4% U.S. CITIZENS USE THE INTERNET
51.7% U.S. CITIZENS DO NOT OWN OR USE A LANDLINE PHONE

The INTERNET is a larger sampling of voters and therefore - MORE ACCURATE. "Scientific" or not. Sampling landline users isn't "scientific" either and much, much less accurate because of the small sampling.

The CORPORATE OWNED MSM is pretty much just obsolete. Bernie knew that. He also knew the Corporate Owned MSM would be pushing their CORPORATE OWNED CANDIDATE, so he BRILLIANTLY chose to tap into the POWER OF THE INTERNET. Looks like he did the right thing.

Only CORPORATE OWNED MSM "scientific" polls can be trusted? Bull. No CORPORATE OWNED MSM poll should be trusted. Period. Our MSM is CORRUPT. Why is it corrupt? Because it's owned by CORPORATIONS.

Have a nice day-

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
148. A scientific poll
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 08:42 AM
Oct 2015

Last edited Wed Oct 7, 2015, 09:28 AM - Edit history (1)

must be able to be proven and verified

It is not "trust me" from the pollster that their #'s are correct without bias.

These pollsters have no governmental oversight and oversee themselves, ripe for corruption

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
24. "this is not a scientific poll by any stretch" No kidding! If a Hillary supporter posted a poll
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:25 PM
Oct 2015

showing her at 93% they'd be accused of propaganda and alert-stalked off DU.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
33. Why DON'T they post such a poll? IS there one? Maybe that's why we haven't seen them from
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:50 PM
Oct 2015

Hillary supporters?

Actually they WERE posting polls every week showing Hillary at OVER 80% in the polls before Bernie and O'Malley entered the race.

Scientific polls no less! No one ran them off the board, we just pointed out that when you are the ONLY candidate, it might not be wise to believe those polls will remain at over 80%.

Scientifically we were proven to be correct.

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
57. At least they were scientific and provided a snapshot of the race at the time. Unscientific polls
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:43 PM
Oct 2015

are not, well, scientific and are meaningless. I don't think any Hillary supporter believed her numbers would stay above 80%. That's just unheard of and completely unrealistic.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
163. At some point, we are just going to have to admit ...
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 12:13 PM
Oct 2015

(some of) the left is JUST AS anti-intellectual, as the right ... that we mock.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
191. I'll admit to no such thing
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 02:30 PM
Oct 2015

because threads like these are what makes life worth living. Colbert couldn't do better than some of these rationalizations.

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
197. And I don't know now if I'm supposed to rec this thread.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 03:11 PM
Oct 2015

Was planning on it till I read the above argument.

Oh, what the hell. K & R

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
27. Grouping this op with the "CNN doesn't poll under 50" and "4 Hispanics is a valid sample"
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:35 PM
Oct 2015

Silliness.

Never change GDP. Never change.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
110. And don't forget that Hillary's numbers were sliding with AA's because of a poll that said that
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 11:33 PM
Oct 2015

its margin of error was over ten percent, but just with AAs. The very group that the headline was actually about.

And even though it showed more black people voting for UNDECIDED than supporting Bernie Sanders, that didn't stop several GDP denizens from screaming that black people were now FINALLY!!!! "feeling the Bern." Surreal, it was. SURREAL.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
29. Any poll that is unverifiable is unscientific
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:44 PM
Oct 2015

MSM landline phone polls that don't reveal names and contact #'s to verify results are estimates and guesses at best

No way to determine if the pollsters use the same respondent multiple times.

Pollsters have no govt oversight and please point out the multiple times pollsters were sued for dispensing invalid #'s or faulty methods.

Its all propaganda so criticizing one is criticizing all.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
34. Okay. But do you really think MSM landline phone polls ...
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:52 PM
Oct 2015

(the few that exist) don't retain the numbers called?

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
36. Call them
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:58 PM
Oct 2015

and ask for the contact list with numbers to verify their polls, then get back with the responses

Please point out the laws that require them to retain these numbers so they aren't overseeing themselves.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
39. Okay. This ...
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:03 PM
Oct 2015
Please point out the laws that require them to retain these numbers so they aren't overseeing themselves.


Has me not wanting to go down your rabbit hole.

Good day.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
41. You starting digging this rabbit hole
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:07 PM
Oct 2015

by suggesting they retain these people and numbers

Good Day to you too

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
35. If any Hillary supporter
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:56 PM
Oct 2015

had posted this unscientific piece of shit poll, they'd get laughed off DU.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
38. Hillary supporters post unverifiable, unscientific, MSM biased polls all the time
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:03 PM
Oct 2015

MSM pays for these polls

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
42. Let me get this straight
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:11 PM
Oct 2015

You're calling all the media polls - ALL of them scientific - unverified - because you don't like the outcome? Has it really come to this with the Bernie supporters? That you will discount scientific polls and use this piece of crap?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
52. And that has what to do
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:27 PM
Oct 2015

with my question. Those polls reported on in the media are scientific polls - the information on the who, what, where and how they were contacted is available, a margin of error is available. And you want to compare that with this poll where plenty of DUers have already claimed they were able to vote at least a dozen times on? Seriously?:

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
55. Prove it
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:39 PM
Oct 2015

"the information on the who, what, where and how they were contacted is available, a margin of error is available.

Get lists of names and contact numbers from these pollsters so we can call and verify their results. I will be waiting

"claimed they were able to vote at least a dozen times on? Seriously?" Prove to me that these pollsters didn't use the same respondent multiple times or even just made up the numbers without calling anybody. I will be seriously waiting for these lists.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
64. Ah
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:04 PM
Oct 2015

I see we have come to the delusional part of the program and I'll just remind you what happened in 2012 with the unskewed polls dude. Maybe you will get that pony.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
66. So, where is the proof
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:25 PM
Oct 2015

"come to the delusional part of the program" The only delusion here is your inability to provide proof of the legitimacy of political pollsters.

Call pollsters now or in the past, I don't care, and get the contact names and numbers of all poll respondents for verification and legitimacy and if you can't then ride your delusional pony that farts out unproven numbers, dude.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
69. That's dudette
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:39 PM
Oct 2015

You seem to think I give a shit if you believe the polls. I'm all for allowing anyone any delusion they wish to engage in. Enjoy.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
71. Then enjoy this internet poll
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:51 PM
Oct 2015

as "I'm for allowing anyone" to believe also in these unproven, delusional, political, phone polls, dudette.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
73. LOL
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:54 PM
Oct 2015

I guess the fact those scientific polls do tend to match up with election results has escaped your attention. Whatev. Internet polls are nothing but a complete joke but if you think a poll where you can vote more than once is legitimate, knock yourself out.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
79. Then prove to me
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:04 PM
Oct 2015

by getting a list of contact names and #"s that phone poll respondents weren't counted multiple times also. Without this proof, phone polls aren't legitimate either.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
81. What part of
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:08 PM
Oct 2015

you aren't worth the trouble are you having a problem with? If you wish to think that internet polls where you can vote multiple times are more accurate than scientific polls done by actual polling companies, you are welcome to your delusion. I'll just continue to laugh at you.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
84. Why are you responding if I'm not worth the trouble?
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:15 PM
Oct 2015

Just simply prove that the phone polls don't count respondents multiple times and are legitimate and we can be done with this.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
70. You seem to be reaching that point of ascension.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:41 PM
Oct 2015

You seem to be reaching that point of ascension:

Call pollsters now or in the past, I don't care, and get the contact names and numbers of all poll respondents for verification and legitimacy and if you can't then ride your delusional pony that farts out unproven numbers, dude.



We're all friends here, am I right?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
125. Funny, when Sanders began to out strip Hillary in those 'Scientific polls' they were 'not relevant
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:13 AM
Oct 2015

at this point' or whatever.

I'm laughing at how upset you all are by an 'unscientific' poll.

It is a poll.

I don't know who is being contacted in those scientific polls either other than most of them are registered Dems, which means they are not registering the support Sanders has from other demographics.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
143. Feel free to link to any post
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 05:08 AM
Oct 2015

of mine that called polls irrelevant. That's quite simply a lie. You also have a very strange definition of upset. That would be entirely your problem since we've already determined you don't mind lying about my posting history.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
43. "Unskewed polls" didn't work out for Romney in 2012
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:14 PM
Oct 2015

Why do you think it will for Sanders in 2016?

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
60. Prove that the world of political pollsters is legitimate
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 02:15 PM
Oct 2015

Bring to DU lists of contact names and numbers from individual polls so we can verify these numbers and make sure one respondent didn't get counted multiple times or if they just made up the numbers to please their MSM payers. I'll be waiting champ

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
45. I have been called a few times for polls.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:20 PM
Oct 2015

I have always given my main vote to Trump,
just because my vote is my own and not that
of a pollster.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
58. This thread could end up being legendary.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:47 PM
Oct 2015

Walt Starr's thread and the moon bombing thread come to mind.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
62. As I said before, this is just the latest in hilarious poll threads
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 02:42 PM
Oct 2015

And measures up with the" CNN only polls people over 50" insanity, as well as the "Hispanics are breaking for Sanders" gambit based off a sample of four Hispanics.

And it with pointing out these threads both happened recently. The lack of basic understanding of how number systems work on GDP is staggering.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
114. Hey, What is the District of Columbia, BTW
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 11:50 PM
Oct 2015

... It should have a section in Disney World, it's so fantasy...

Thank you for playing.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
59. It is complicated
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:48 PM
Oct 2015

I don't think this polling is representative or accurate, but I do think it represents an interest in the Sander's campaign that the mainstream media has been failing to adequately cover at every stop. Even some reporters have recently admitted that they need to start treating Bernie as a serious candidate. CNN so desperately wants Biden to run that they have been pimping for him every step of the way for some crazy reason. I think a lot of people in the mainstream media really don't want to have to cover Bernie Sanders at all.

And as was previously stated the great CNN poll that trumpeted Hillary's recovery only managed to garner a statistically viable number of 50-64 year olds. All other age groups were not collected at statistically useful numbers. This probably suggests absolute incompetence in polling which resulted in a poll that never should have been published.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
63. Polls Or Not... Just Keep Asking...
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 02:43 PM
Oct 2015

Do YOU Feel The Bern??

Those of us who support Bernie have a gut feeling that SOCIAL MEDIA is doing what MSM can't! Spreading Bernie's message! I know I only used FB for minor issues, mostly tennis, but more and more I keep posting BERNIE SANDERS clips and rallies!

People are getting to know him. He's now getting huge attacks from TPTB and MSNBC seems to have been bought by Hillary! Just my simple opinion!

kenn3d

(486 posts)
78. "68. Hillary supporters laugh, but the truth is most Dems are closer to Bernie's views."
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:02 PM
Oct 2015

Yes. And many independents, and disaffected Republicans, and others who simply haven't had any incentive to cast a vote for anyone of any party for years, may also find that their answers to this survey lead them to elect Bernie Sanders.

ISideWith is really not a poll at all of course. It's a guide for low-info, ill-informed, lazy, fed-up, angry, clueless, and energized "will be" voters of 2016.
If we get out the vote... if enough uninvolved estwhile non-voters come to the polls with a mind toward saving our democracy...
It might just make a difference. No matter what the establishment says.

Share it, I say!

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
83. Though it's unscientific...
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:11 PM
Oct 2015

I think it's eye-opening. I have a hunch many of the respondents are young, or perhaps voters who had given up, and probably aren't polled by the 'establishment' pollsters. This is a huge hidden sea of untapped voters who are heavily in Bernies favor. Get them out to the polls, and Bernie is going to win in a cakewalk. Hillary offers them nothing.

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
87. 99% Bernie. 96% Hillary. That's the same result as when I took it over a month ago. It goes to show
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:24 PM
Oct 2015

there really is little difference between our candidates. I don't remember what I got for Biden last time but this time it's 83%.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
93. Yes, do you have any online polls showing Hillary winning? I'd be happy to kick them, but I
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 07:05 PM
Oct 2015

couldn't find one.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
106. post 26
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 10:15 PM
Oct 2015

"This is the future of polling, the old ways are too flawed, admitted now by the pollsters themselves who were unable to predict eg, the UK elections, the Greek elections.

Their methods are old and haven't caught up with the new tech world we live in".

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
105. the Bernie push poll that only knew how Bernie felt about 2/3 of the issues? LOL
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 10:05 PM
Oct 2015

I had a feeling they were going to use it to push some propaganda, like it means actual votes.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
135. Having trouble proving your meaningless phone polls
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:35 AM
Oct 2015

All we need is the names and contact #'s of all poll respondents in each poll.

It shouldn't be hard for a believer like you to obtain these lists from your friendly pollsters.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
156. Why so upset? It's just a poll! I haven't seen this much angst in a long time over a supposedly
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 11:32 AM
Oct 2015

not credible poll!
T
Have you seen the thread where people were asked who they supported, Trump or Hillary, and they ALL said Bernie! Lol!

Sometimes you just have to accept that the people find Bernie to be the most qualified, viable, electable and best representative of the people in this race.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
160. In Ireland, they call the a Quiz Quiz! Except this one got a prize for NOT knowing the answer!
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 11:55 AM
Oct 2015

IIRC, it didn't "know" most candidates stances except for Sanders, so he got all the points. LOL.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
189. I can tell you that I know all the people of Ireland.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 02:16 PM
Oct 2015

And they would not appreciate you maligning them.
Also, they love Sanders.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
141. Uh huh...
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 02:25 AM
Oct 2015

I live in Dallas, Texas. Everywhere I go, anyone who cares wants Bernie Sanders.

They all say the same thing. Bernie really cares.

Thanks sabrina 1.

Go Bernie.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
164. Are there any online polls showing Hillary the winner? I keep looking, but Bernie seems to be
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 12:14 PM
Oct 2015

the winner in every online poll, which btw, is where most political activism takes place in this century. Amazing to see the enthusiasm, the activism, these 'moon bombers' are responsible for the huge crowds going to Bernie's events.

Maybe we're imagining 33,000 people at his last big event this week?

These online activists are also responsible for his consistent upward trending in the polls to where he is now beating not just the Dem front runner but all of the Republicans also.

However, I'm not going to complain about how the other candidates are still using old fashioned methods to judge this election. The less they know about the new world we live in re technology and the power it has on major event, the better it is for my candidate.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
168. Well every candidate has the same opportunity to do well in an online poll.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 12:32 PM
Oct 2015

The rules are the same for all of them.

So why are there so many polls showing Bernie the winner?

Here on DU eg, no one can vote more than once, we get to see who is voting.

If the results were the other way around, I have a feeling we wouldn't be hearing how irrelevant they are.

All polls are irrelevant at this point imo.

What they do is show where the enthusiasm is for a candidate.

Young people eg, who are a driving force in Bernie's campaign, using the internet to campaign for him, helping people to know when there are events in their areas.

What is so 'scientific' about traditional polls? Most of the ones we see here are polling only registered Dems and mostly of that number, Dems still using landlines. That leaves out a whole lot of voters who are not being polled.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
180. Because sanders supporters are more otganized on the internet.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:30 PM
Oct 2015

You can run around and think this is important but you are only kidding yourself.

I can tell you here in Brooklyn Sanders will not win.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
182. I can telll that I know a lot of people in Brooklyn who say you are wrong. Now you just made
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:38 PM
Oct 2015

a very unscientific prediction. And with such certainty. Which is ironic considering your objection to unscientific predictions.

Sanders has a very active on the ground volunteer army across the country who are very tech savvy and are using the tools available to them to promote their candidate.

Surely Hillary has people who are organized on the internet also? With all that corporate money to spend if you think that Social Media is irrelevant to a political campaing these days, you and her campaign, are kidding themselves.

Actually she is on Social Media along with her supporters. The fact is, Bernie has more supporters at this point.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
183. I live in Brooklyn and can tell you he is only popular in North west Brooklyn but that is it.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:42 PM
Oct 2015

Come here and get involved in Brooklyn politics and you will see he can't win.

South Brooklyn, central Brooklyn, and Eastern Brooklyn will overwhelm any support he has in the hipster areas.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
167. You might want to look up the term "click bait",which is the real explanation
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 12:31 PM
Oct 2015

for every online poll on the internet.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
169. They're all click bait. Money is the reason for the tradtional polls. I asked some questions but
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 12:36 PM
Oct 2015

got no responses.

Every candidate has the chance to win any of these polls. Regardless of how 'unscientific' they are, or whether they are click bait or not, it doesn't change the fact that there is enough enthusiasm for one candidate to cause him to be the winner in every one I've seen.

So really, all the snark and claims of 'who cares' doesn't change the fact that hundreds of thousands of people are voting in these polls.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
171. Proving absolutely nothing other than lots of Sanders supporters
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 12:38 PM
Oct 2015

are willing to spend time voting in silly internet click bait polls. So good for you,I guess.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
194. Seriously, it's just a poll. You are getting yourself all upset over a poll. Why, if it is so
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 02:48 PM
Oct 2015

irrelevant? Just get to work, like Bernie's supporters are promoting your own candidate rather than than helping OUR candidate, which is fine with me, btw.

I hope you know that inane barbs have zero effect on me, my strategy is and always was to USE them to kick good threads. That's why I respond to them. I never waste a good opportunity to promote my candidate.

How's the new 'cave' going btw?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
198. Hey, come on over to my new thread. I have to leave this one for a while.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 03:27 PM
Oct 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251654436

It needs some kicks to get it started! I hope it doesn't upset you as much as this one did though.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
204. Great, thanks for keeping it going. So, any online polls where Hillary, who has as much chance as
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 05:56 PM
Oct 2015

Bernie in these polls, actually won any?

If you can find one and post it in your OP I will return the favor and kick it for you.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
206. I understand. I know it felt when it looked like my candidate was losing ground in past elections.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 06:06 PM
Oct 2015

Pretend laughter, bravado etc. I guess it's one way to handle it!


 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
185. That was the best. I could not stop crying when read that thread.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:52 PM
Oct 2015

The Dr. OZ contingent here gave us a good laugh.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
187. Feeble attempts to bash DU and DUers works better on the 'cave' the new one too. Here people tend to
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 02:07 PM
Oct 2015

engage in more intelligent discussions.

So I take it the fact is, Hillary and Bernie are using the internet to promote their candidacies and Bernie is beating her hands down.

I see no credible argument so far to disprove that.

Obama used the internet also, I know I was an Obama supporter back then and heard the same arguments. See that worked out.

Btw, I thought those who personally attack this site and its members had their own site now and were leaving the one they clearly despise?

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
195. cornflake coating on fried chicken
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 02:49 PM
Oct 2015

it's more in that league. Or maybe Olive Garden dining in Times Square.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
199. When even conservatives and Republicans
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 03:36 PM
Oct 2015

are supporters of Bernie, I think Hillary and her supporters should take a step back and analyze why that is the case.

I live in one of the most conservative states in the US, and a very conservative county, too.

When people around here are supporting Bernie, you *KNOW* he has broad spectrum appeal.



sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
203. Yes, you are right Aerows, that's what this poll and others online are reflecting. And that is why
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 05:50 PM
Oct 2015

we are seeing so much anger at the poll.

I am thrilled to hear about your state, same thing where I am, a conservative area of NY. He has so much cross over appeal, Hillary not so much.

The so called 'scientific polls' are not polling Bernie's actual supporters because they can't. But even in those limited polls he is trending upwards every month.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
216. Oh, I will! They show how amazingly popular Bernie is, how enthusiastic people are about his
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 01:43 AM
Oct 2015

candidacy.

Not to mention they appear to upset all the Right people! Lol!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
226. And you're still throwing a temper tantrum over this poll? This might be the biggest tantrum anyone
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 12:55 AM
Oct 2015

on DU has ever thrown over their candidate not winning a single Internet poll.

I'm going to watch this poll now and post the results whenever I see them.

I remember people throwing fits over Obama winning internet polls also.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
228. It's no use denying it, this poll has you in a tizzy. Same way people threw fits when Obama was
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 01:22 AM
Oct 2015

winning every internet poll. And guess happened in that election.

This is a great sign for Bernie!





Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
246. Oh....I don't insult democrats--this is a democratic board
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:31 PM
Oct 2015

And I am not sure exactly what you mean? We somehow got off track. I was talking about the inevitability of Sanders that is obvious from the polls and the posts here.

He must be so excited that he has won this thing.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
247. Transparency is what Dems stand for,
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:38 PM
Oct 2015

not non-transparent, unverifiable pollsters.

Yes the revolution is very "excited".

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
249. Are you saying Sanders is not for transparency?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:42 PM
Oct 2015

Since he's not a Democrat?
Not sure I agree with that...

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
250. So the DNC lets a non-democrat
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:50 PM
Oct 2015

into a Democratic debate, is that what DWS says?

So all the pollsters are non-democratic in their actions too?

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
251. Apparently the DNC is ...
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:56 PM
Oct 2015

... letting a non-Democrat into a Democratic debate.

BS is NOT a member of the Democratic Party, and by his own choice. That's simply a fact.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
253. What about HRC,
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:01 PM
Oct 2015

has she spoken out against allowing Bernie into the debates and on primary ballots?

Or is this just a handful of her supporters?

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
255. I haven't seen anyone ...
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:11 PM
Oct 2015

... objecting to BS participating in the debates.

But his participation doesn't make him a Democrat.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
259. What does it make him?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:25 PM
Oct 2015

These are Dem debates and Dem nationwide primary ballots.

Are you protesting to HRC to remove him from all dem. debates and elections and what has been her responses?

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
262. It makes him a man who refuses to be a Democrat ...
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:39 PM
Oct 2015

... but wants all the benefits of being one.

Who said anything about removing him from the Dem debates - other than you?

All I'm pointing out is that BS is not a Democrat, and participating in debates doesn't magically transform him into one.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
264. Are these Dem debates,
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:47 PM
Oct 2015

Independent debates, Green debates, Repub debates?

If you don't qualify as a Dem, how do get accepted to a Dem debate?

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
265. Ask the debate organizers.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:58 PM
Oct 2015

Do you think BS will be magically transformed into a Democrat by being there?

He has refused to join the Democratic Party. Ergo, he is not a Democrat. I don't know why you're so confused by the simple facts.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
267. Simple facts:
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:10 PM
Oct 2015

The debate organizers are the Dem party and Bernie doesn't have to be transformed, he's been welcomed by the Democratic people.

If tomorrow Nader decides to run as an independent, will he be included in the Dem debates?

Stop avoiding HRC's stance on this, is she for or against Bernie running as a Dem?

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
276. Ask HRC.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:45 PM
Oct 2015

We're not talking about who's welcome to debate and who's not.

I merely pointed out to you that BS is not a Democrat.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
281. You're a HRC supporter,
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:53 PM
Oct 2015

are you following her lead or are you going rogue?

Does HRC think Bernie is not a Dem?

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
285. Oh, now I see your problem.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:06 PM
Oct 2015

Well, the thing is that HRC supporters are free to think for themselves. They don't have to check-in with headquarters to find out what they're supposed to say, or what position they're allowed to take. They are not expected to "follow her lead", and holding differing opinions is not considered "going rogue".

I understand it's different for BS supporters, who are expected to lockstep behind their leader and never deviate from the prescribed way of thinking - or so it seems, and very obviously so, from the way the BS supporters here conduct themselves.




aspirant

(3,533 posts)
288. Oh, I see now,
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:23 PM
Oct 2015

you think Bernie isn't a Dem and HRC thinks he is.

Conclusion: you aren't speaking for her or her campaign and are going "rogue"

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
290. Again, I don't know why such simple concepts confuse you.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:41 PM
Oct 2015

I don't know whether HRC considers BS a Dem or not - nor does it matter. He has REFUSED to join the party, and that isn't changed by what anyone "considers" him to be.

Where did you ever get the idea I was speaking for Hillary or her campaign? Why would you think I was?

And again I note your perception that if a supporter holds a different position or opinion than their candidate, they are "going rogue". And again I will point out to you that while that may be true for BS supporters, Hillary supporters are not locked-into the positions or opinions held by their candidate-of-choice.

I understand it's different for BS supporters, who apparently are considered "going rogue" if they deviate from the sacred script decreed by Bernie. That's your problem right there - you can't comprehend people who think for themselves and are not expected to lockstep behind their candidate.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
254. Is he in Dem debates and on the Dem primary ballots nationwide?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:06 PM
Oct 2015

Has HRC publicly said Bernie should be removed from the Dem debates and Dem ballots?

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
260. Weird
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:31 PM
Oct 2015

If he is participating in Dem debates and Dem primary ballots, he's a Dem and now show me where HRC says he isn't a DEM.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
263. Your turn,
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:41 PM
Oct 2015

time to phone your friend HRC so she can let her supporters know if she thinks Bernie should be removed from DEM debates and Dem ballots.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
268. Your turn
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:15 PM
Oct 2015

"If he is participating in Dem debates and Dem primary ballots, he's a Dem"

Tell me HRC's stance on Bernie participating in Dem debates and ballots

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
283. If HRC ...
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:57 PM
Oct 2015

... or anyone else in the universe, says that BS is a member of the Democratic Party, does that make him one?

HE chose not to join the party. If I choose not to join the Catholic Church, do I become a Catholic because someone says I am?

This is pretty simple stuff - I don't understand why it confuses you so.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
286. HRC isn't "anyone else in the universe"
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:14 PM
Oct 2015

she's your beloved candidate

If you don't choose "to join the catholic church", you don't participate in their masses, communion and confessions. This is simple stuff.

Bernie is participating and welcomed with open arms in Dem debates and Dem primary ballots

Since you are unwilling or unable to state HRC stance I'm concluding she is welcoming Bernie as a Dem in the Dem debates and Dem primary ballots. This puts you at odds with your candidate

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
289. I am perfectly able to be "at odds with" my candidate.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:30 PM
Oct 2015

That seems to be the difference between being an HRC supporter and a BS supporter.

And by the way, many non-Catholics participate in Catholic weddings, baptisms, etc. Thousands of non-Catholics attend at mass at churches and cathedrals all over the world, especially tourists and those interested in seeing particular ceremonies taking place - and they aren't transformed into Catholics by doing so.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
291. Good, as long as we know you are speaking as a "rogue" supporter
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:48 PM
Oct 2015

and against HRC's position on Bernie as a Dem.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
293. In HRC's camp ...
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:06 PM
Oct 2015

... there is no such thing as a "rogue supporter".

Look, it's obvious that you, as a BS supporter, don't understand the concept of people supporting a candidate without lockstepping in unison and adopting every single thing that candidate says or does as being their own position.

This discussion is pointless. The minute you started talking about people "going rogue" because they don't parrot every opinion held by their candidate, you made it abundantly clear that you think that's what supporters are bound to do.

Maybe you are - I'm not. And neither is any other HRC supporter - or O'Malley supporter, or Chafee supporter, etc. It's only the BS supporters who allow their candidate to dictate their thoughts and actions, and obediently follow his lead without question or hesitation.

It's cult behaviour - and if you're happy with that, that's fine. But other people haven't drunk the Kool-Aid, and don't intend to. So stop pointing your finger and yelling "ROGUE!!!!" every time you see someone who disagrees with their candidate, because outside of the BS Cult, that word is meaningless.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
294. Where have I heard of "The Family" cult before
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:27 PM
Oct 2015

I'm glad HRC and the Dem party considers Bernie a Dem and only a handful of her "rogue supporters" vocally dispute this. Oh well, just as long as they don't pretend they are speaking for her and the party.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
295. No one said ...
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:43 PM
Oct 2015

... that HRC and/or the Dem Party considers Bernie to be a Dem.

And no one is pretending "to speak for her or the party".

Being as you want to argue with things not said and points not raised, why don't you just continue this discussion with yourself?

Just be careful not to say anything rogue - for people like you, that has consequences.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
297. Hmmm
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:59 PM
Oct 2015

"No one said that HRC and/or the Dem Party considers Bernie to be a Dem".

That's why the Dem party and HRC are going thru with the Dem debates including Bernie and also not challenging Bernie's Dem primary ballots. Is what happens when someone agrees with you.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
298. You really don't get it.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 12:10 AM
Oct 2015

Bernie REFUSES to be a member of the Democratic Party. It's not like he forgot to sign-up, or figured he would be magically transformed into one if he ran on the Dem ticket, or participated in Dem debates.

He REFUSES to BE a Democrat - and has said so himself. So if you want to pretend that he is now a Democrat against his own oft-expressed desire to NOT be one, that's your prerogative.

Just be sure to check-in with BS HQ to be sure you're thinking that will not be considered a "rogue" move. Gotta stay in lockstep, unless you want to draw undue attention to yourself.

Nighty-night!

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
299. Why can't you get it.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 12:21 AM
Oct 2015

The Dem Party and HRC welcomes Bernie as a Dem candidate. Have you told the Dem party and HRC that Bernie "refuses to be a democrat"? What are their responses or are you just speaking for a small "rogue" community.

If Bernie doesn't choose to run as a Dem, why doesn't the party and HRC grant him that option and release him from the debates and state ballots? Simple, isn't it.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
300. Uh, because they already agreed ...
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 12:43 AM
Oct 2015

... to his running on the Dem ticket? Do you keep up with politics at all?

They are also well aware that he has refused to become a Democrat. Do you think these people just fell off the back of a turnip truck? BS has made it abundantly clear that he doesn't want to BE a Democrat. I don't know why everyone seems to know that - except you.

I don't think you realize how telling it is to keep using the term "rogue". As I've told you repeatedly, there is no such animal in the HRC camp - only the BS camp considers supporters who go off-script "rogue". The supporters of all other candidates are free to agree or disagree with any position their candidate takes.

It's only the BS supporters who apparently are "not allowed" to do so, and therefore consider people who hold their own opinions - in agreement with, or contrary to their candidate's opinions - as "going rogue".

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
302. So both Bernie and the Dem party
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 01:15 AM
Oct 2015

agree he is a Dem "running on the Dem Ticket". So why would they agree to such a thing if Bernie "refused to become a Democrat? This is silliness and must have its roots in a band of rouges

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
303. BS has stated, repeatedly ...
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 01:23 AM
Oct 2015

... that he is NOT a member of the Democratic Party, nor does he want to be.

I don't know why I am explaining this, over and over, to someone who purports to be a BS supporter. How could you NOT know what he himself has said on the subject?

Did you just start following politics yesterday? I only ask, because it sounds like this is all news to you.

The Party agreed to allow BS to run on their ticket. They did not agree that this made him a member of the Party, nor did BS agree that this somehow made him a member of the Party - which he has expressly stated he is NOT a member of.

Hey, the Democrats get it, Bernie gets it - why don't you get it?

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
305. Why don't you ask BS HQ?
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 01:39 AM
Oct 2015

If you didn't know that BS has refused to be a member of the Democratic Party, you have a lot of catching up to do.

Perhaps they have webinars you can participate in. That way you can actually learn something about your own candidate.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
309. If you want to know why a decision was made ...
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 02:28 AM
Oct 2015

... your best source of information would be the people who made the decision.

You obviously don't even know what party your candidate belongs to, so I find discussing anything political with someone that ignorant of the facts rather pointless.

I do confess that the only reason I kept this exchange going for as long as I have is to keep this particular thread active for all to see.

Believing that a poll that Shows Sanders Winning in All 50 States is a valid one is comedy gold, and I just wanted to spread the laughter!

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
310. Isn't Bernie Wonderful
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 02:47 AM
Oct 2015

We're all waiting to know why a national party would say to a candidate, come and be on our ticket. The candidate allegedly replies that he isn't a Dem and refuses to become one. The party says no problem, we want you just as you are. They both agree and live happily ever after.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
273. Are you serious? Like I said this poll has really gotten you very, very upset. I will have to watch
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:45 PM
Oct 2015

for the next one and post it as soon as it comes out.

Great poll, great result. Clearly the PEOPLE want Bernie. Hundreds of thousands voting for Bernie.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
278. No you don't slam 'any BS posts'. You slam good Democrats not that it ever effects anyone. But let's
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:50 PM
Oct 2015

be honest at least.

This is a real indication of the REAL support there is out there for Bernie Sanders.

I love this poll because it is a true reflection of what the PEOPLE want.

If the people felt the same way about Hillary, she would be winning these polls. She isn't, period.

You should relax, if it's such a BS poll why are you so obsessed as to still be throwing a fit over it days later? Seriously, this is bad for you.



sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
280. Phone polls, really? On LANDLINES? Who uses landlines anymore? And including people who are not
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:53 PM
Oct 2015

even running?

I remember the same thing with Obama. He was winning all the internet polls. And we got the same 'oh, it's an internet poll'. We live in the 21st Century now, people don't use landlines, they use the internet and this poll shows how enthusiastic people are about Bernie.

Why don't you post some internet polls that Hillary is winning?

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
323. Good
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 12:22 AM
Oct 2015

Provide the names and cell phone numbers of all who were polled so we can verify and not accept the unscientific "trust us" from the pollsters

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
271. Omg...Bernie winning all 50 states
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:36 PM
Oct 2015

That's really funny. I'd like to see him win any state other than Iowa or NH. And he probably won't even win those two.

I'll give this a rec just for the comedy value

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
312. Yeah, if people would vote on the issues, Sanders would win pretty handily
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 12:09 PM
Oct 2015

We would also pretty much never have a Republican controlled presidency or Senate again. Just more reason to fight harder. It's not just about Sanders vs. Clinton either, since the Democratic party has been an absolute disaster when it comes to local and state politics, which has really hurt Congress too. Win or lose, we have to keep fighting.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
322. Prove it
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 12:18 AM
Oct 2015

Provide the names and contact #'s of all polled in every poll so we can verify that 1 respondent wasn't counted multiple times

Polls that are not verifiable are not scientific

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
315. This thread rises from the dead again!
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 02:48 PM
Oct 2015

Well it is comedy gold for sure!

All the clickbait internet polls say Bernies got it locked up!



zappaman

(20,606 posts)
333. It upsets you to see Bernie winning every state, doesn't it?
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 01:07 PM
Oct 2015

He will be the first candidate to sweep all 50!
Feel the Bern!

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
336. I like it when 3rd way types ignore the people at their peril.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:03 PM
Oct 2015

I love how they substitute smilies for substance. It's wonderful. Instead of talking issues they would talk optics. Let's see how their optics work out in the primaries and caucuses.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
337. What about Northern Marianas?
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 08:36 PM
Nov 2015

They will be seating a delegation at the 2016 convention.

Is Bernie ahead in Northern Marianas also?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
342. As a fair and dispassionate observer it is my observation that the results of the poll...
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 10:02 AM
Nov 2015

As a fair and dispassionate observer it is my observation that the results of the poll in the seminal post are totally legitimate.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
346. Kick!
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 03:11 PM
Nov 2015

I'm assuming this is still true since Bernie is winning some online polls regarding the second debate!!!

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
347. Wow. Glad someone kicked this.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 03:16 PM
Nov 2015

Last week I accused a Clinton supporter of being full of shit when they told me you posted this. You acted as if you hadn't either. You really were deceptive in the things you said to me last week with respect to this. Love the transparency of du.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
351. You are welcome!
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 04:11 PM
Nov 2015

It's one of my favorite threads and I happened to notice some folks seemed to have forgotten about it.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
354. Stalkers are creepy.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 01:20 AM
Nov 2015

To everyone else, I love this thread. It corroborates all the other online polls AND two studies we now have to move forward into the 21st Century regarding the old, outdated polling methodology which has those old pollsters admitting now they may become obsolete if they don't start updating their now failing methodology.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
355. I agree!
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 12:01 PM
Nov 2015

To everyone else, I love this thread.
It's right up there with the Moon Bombing and Olive Garden threads!

Yes, an all time classic!

 

vorgan24

(50 posts)
361. One side is more active online, the other side is more active in real life.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:09 AM
Nov 2015

Sanders is doing well in online polls, but in real life... Well, I think both candidates endorsements speak for which of the two is doing better in the real world.

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