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unionthug

(28 posts) Tue Oct 6, 2015, 08:20 AM Oct 2015

That's the point....

So I'm listening to NPR this morning and they're echoing the new meme that gun control may be a defining issue in the Democratic primary. Gun control is finally an issue where Hillary Clinton and come in from the left of Bernie Sanders.

That means that Hillary comes in from the right on every other issue.

So, yeah, gun control is finally one issue where Hillary can come in from the left of Bernie.

That's the point.

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That's the point.... (Original Post) unionthug Oct 2015 OP

How to manipulate the masses 1.0 RiverLover Oct 2015 #1

That meme has been passing around a lot of late. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #2

The NRA supported Bernie in his first election, but tried to get him out after that. Nitram Oct 2015 #4

How did they "support" him exactly? Did he take their money? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #11

Acording to the Washington Post, the NRA paid for a direct mailing campaign. Nitram Oct 2015 #12

If there's one single issue that would cause me to support (or not) a candidate, it ... Scuba Oct 2015 #3

No, the point is that we finally have a Democratic front runner who will fight for gun control. leftofcool Oct 2015 #5

Or she may "evolve" again. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #6

And that will get us exactly what? mhatrw Oct 2015 #8

Reproductive rights? Metric System Oct 2015 #7

Hillary supported a ban on late term abortions. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #10

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)

1. How to manipulate the masses 1.0

Reply to unionthug (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 08:28 AM

Oct 2015

Yet, for this progressive, I'm confident Bernie will push for exactly what he says he will~

As he has in recent days, Sanders cited several measures he can support, including a strengthened system of instant background checks, closure of the “gun-show loophole,” a ban on semi-automatic assault weapons “designed strictly for killing human beings” and far greater investments in mental health.

I trust him to say what he means.

I trust Clinton to say what is most politically advantageous at the moment. And the Clinton Media Machine to hop on board.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)

2. That meme has been passing around a lot of late.

Reply to unionthug (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 08:31 AM

Oct 2015

On MSNBC, it's often accompanied by a non-factual statement about how the NRA has supported Bernie for a long time. (Bernie has a D- rating from the NRA, which, I guess translates into 'support' in the minds of Hillary supporters. The hidden kernel of truth is that in one race, decades ago, the NRA 'supported' Bernie in order to beat a candidate they thought was slightly more anti-gun, assuming they could make Sanders a one-termer, to be replaced by someone who was unabashedly pro-gun. They failed in the second half of their plan.

ETA: A good OP on the issue. http://www.democraticunderground.com/128059170

Nitram

(22,794 posts)

4. The NRA supported Bernie in his first election, but tried to get him out after that.

Reply to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 11:05 AM

Oct 2015

Bernie did vote against holding gun manufacturers liable for crimes committed using their products.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)

11. How did they "support" him exactly? Did he take their money?

Reply to Nitram (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:17 PM

Oct 2015

And I support his vote on the PLCAA.

Gun manufacturers can still be sued if they break the law or make a defective product.

If their legally manufactured product is used to commit a crime they are not responsible.

Nitram

(22,794 posts)

12. Acording to the Washington Post, the NRA paid for a direct mailing campaign.

Reply to beam me up scottie (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 07:59 AM

Oct 2015

A few days before Election Day in 1990, the National Rifle Association sent a letter to its 12,000 members in Vermont, with an urgent message about the race for the state’s single House seat. Vote for the socialist, the gun rights group said. It’s important. "Bernie Sanders is a more honorable choice for Vermont sportsmen than Peter Smith,” wrote Wayne LaPierre, who was — and still is — a top official at the national NRA, backing Sanders over the Republican incumbent.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-nra-helped-put-bernie-sanders-in-congress/2015/07/19/ed1be26c-2bfe-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html

Scuba

(53,475 posts)

3. If there's one single issue that would cause me to support (or not) a candidate, it ...

Reply to unionthug (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 08:46 AM

Oct 2015

... would be advocating and voting for giving GW Bush authority to go to war.

But I'm not a single-issue purist. Besides, Bernie comes closer to my positions on issues than any other Presidential candidate in my 67 years.