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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:27 PM Oct 2015

Bernie Sanders only pulling 13% of the African American vote

Also, Biden supporters are more pro-Hillary than pro-Sanders:

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Among Biden voters, 44% say Clinton would be their second choice to only 21% who say Sanders would be. If Biden doesn't get in and you reallocate his backers to their second choice, Clinton leads Sanders 51 to 28.

The race is close with very liberal voters (Clinton gets 45% to 41% for Sanders), men (Clinton gets 35%, Sanders 28%, Biden 24%), and younger voters (Clinton and Sanders tie at 36). Clinton is dominant with seniors (51% to 23% for Biden and 15% for Sanders), African Americans (Clinton gets 51% to 30% for Biden and 13% for Sanders), and women (Clinton gets 48% to 22% for Sanders and 17% for Biden.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/10/clinton-leads-every-democrat-under-the-sun.html

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BTW, PPP was the most accurate pollster during the last presidential election cycle

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Bernie Sanders only pulling 13% of the African American vote (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 OP
Biden pulls a lot Report1212 Oct 2015 #1
Cant win without the AA vote. DCBob Oct 2015 #2
No just wait until the debates upaloopa Oct 2015 #3
Indeed that is what the Bernsters are hoping for. DCBob Oct 2015 #5
Well maybe if we can have 30 debates or 40 or 50 upaloopa Oct 2015 #11
Good thing the first votes won't be cast for another 5 months. neverforget Oct 2015 #4
Yes, it could get worse for Bernie. DCBob Oct 2015 #6
Conversely, it can get worse for Hillary. neverforget Oct 2015 #7
It could.. but I bet it wont. DCBob Oct 2015 #9
Or stay the same upaloopa Oct 2015 #14
"Cant win without the AA vote." workinclasszero Oct 2015 #8
Debates still haven't started yet. Issues aren't a major factor yet until they do... cascadiance Oct 2015 #10
I don't think enough voters watch the debates for them to make that much of a difference hack89 Oct 2015 #26
You know, you were complaining about only ~130 AA's polled when Clinton's numbers "dropped" jeff47 Oct 2015 #12
I was complaining about what exactly? Link? nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #13
Limited length on subject lines. "You" as shorthand for Clinton supporters. (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #19
Tell me how the trend can change so wildly? upaloopa Oct 2015 #17
Small numbers of people polled create large margins of error. jeff47 Oct 2015 #18
That poll showing Hillary losing AA support upaloopa Oct 2015 #20
No, there have been zero polls that have a lot of African Americans in them. jeff47 Oct 2015 #21
Well you have your opinion I have mine upaloopa Oct 2015 #23
You're drawing conclusions, not just stating facts. jeff47 Oct 2015 #24
What are polls for if not for drawing conclusions upaloopa Oct 2015 #28
This far from an election, their primary purpose is to fill dead air. jeff47 Oct 2015 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #30
Yeah...kinda my point... (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #31
Yes ... you are correct. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #32
No way! I'm correct!!! (/snark) jeff47 Oct 2015 #33
LOL ... Due where due! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #34
Well then I guess he has to keep working... Armstead Oct 2015 #15
Wrong. zappaman Oct 2015 #16
Since all voters are individuals who think for themselves if they are not chumps, the tactic of Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #22
He's gaining ground. He was in single digits a month ago. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #25
Your headline is misleading. Fearless Oct 2015 #27
The headline is accurate per the poll wyldwolf Oct 2015 #37
What percentage of AAs who know Sanders' stances on the issues mhatrw Oct 2015 #35
Sanders will win the black vote all he has to do is remind them of the Clintons' record on crime. craigmatic Oct 2015 #36

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
2. Cant win without the AA vote.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:29 PM
Oct 2015

Too bad for Bernie.. there aren't enough Vermonts and New Hampshires in the country.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
3. No just wait until the debates
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:33 PM
Oct 2015

Bernie will say something to change all the AA's minds and then they will all begin to feel the Bern.
Don't know what it could be but it is his only chance.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
6. Yes, it could get worse for Bernie.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:36 PM
Oct 2015

I think once the fake email scandal finally runs its course, Hillary will gain even more.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
10. Debates still haven't started yet. Issues aren't a major factor yet until they do...
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:42 PM
Oct 2015

THEN we'll see what the polls tell us when voters have not only name recognition but issues stances more in their hands to make decisions.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
26. I don't think enough voters watch the debates for them to make that much of a difference
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 02:30 PM
Oct 2015

according to Nielson, only about 28% of people over the age of 18 watched at least 6 minutes of the 2008 presidential debates.

That is not enough undecided voters to make a huge swing.

https://www.princeton.edu/~mprior/PriorPOQ2012%20Debates.pdf

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
12. You know, you were complaining about only ~130 AA's polled when Clinton's numbers "dropped"
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:45 PM
Oct 2015

This poll has about 115 African Americans in it.

So...is that poll still bad because of how few African Americans were in it, or is it OK now?

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
17. Tell me how the trend can change so wildly?
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:52 PM
Oct 2015

Hillary always led Bernie with the AA vote. That poll showing her losing it was bogus.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
18. Small numbers of people polled create large margins of error.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 02:02 PM
Oct 2015

This poll have 551 total people in it, 21% identify themselves as African American. Or about 115 African Americans.

A couple weeks ago there was a poll that had something like 130 African Americans and showed a 30(?) point drop in African American support for Clinton going to Sanders. (Uncertainty is because I'm going from memory)

In both cases, there are not very many African Americans in the poll, leading to a very large margin of error among African Americans.

In this particular poll, the relatively small margin of error is only on the "headline" number, with all 551 people. The margin of error among only African Americans is going to be much higher. Calculating that margin of error would require information they did not release.

Anyway, in discussion of the earlier poll, Clinton supporters were complaining about the small number of African Americans in the poll and thus the large margin of error. The same posters are now praising this poll, which has an even smaller number of African Americans.

Also, many of the posters above deride all "online" polls as utterly unreliable. They apparently didn't notice that this poll is 20% online, since they are praising it.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
20. That poll showing Hillary losing AA support
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 02:10 PM
Oct 2015

was an outlier. It is clear if you look at the trend since the beginning of the primary.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
21. No, there have been zero polls that have a lot of African Americans in them.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 02:13 PM
Oct 2015

As a result, we don't have the data to call any of them outliers.

Additionally, polls are only now showing an increase in people who have heard about Sanders. You can't expect support from people who have not heard about you, so the trend from 6 months ago isn't particularly meaningful either.

And finally, my point was the selective dismissal of polls. Like the results = "Good poll!!". Don't like the results = "Sample's too small" or "Online poll LOL".

Fact is, we know jack shit about who's really doing better. We have hints and nudges, but there's still way too much in flux to say much nationally. Especially when you factor in later states will know the results from earlier states.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
24. You're drawing conclusions, not just stating facts.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 02:28 PM
Oct 2015

Doesn't mean I can't point out the flaws in the conclusions you are drawing.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
29. This far from an election, their primary purpose is to fill dead air.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:05 PM
Oct 2015

Especially national polls and primary elections. Since later states see the results from earlier states, that can cause very large swings in those later states.

Essentially, if it isn't the first 3-ish states and isn't around a month before that state votes, it's only for giving pundits something that sounds insightful.

Response to jeff47 (Reply #12)

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
15. Well then I guess he has to keep working...
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:49 PM
Oct 2015

Just as he has to keep working to get more recognition and win more votes from all ethnic groups.

It's called a political campaign.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
16. Wrong.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:50 PM
Oct 2015

Latest polls have him winning 50 states, so the percentage of AAs must be higher.

And why are you calling Bernie a racist?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
22. Since all voters are individuals who think for themselves if they are not chumps, the tactic of
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 02:14 PM
Oct 2015

claiming segments of voters long in advance of an election is a very risky choice. Never define your potential by something with can change without any hope of control from the prediction makers. Small turns of the tide appear to be major movement once you have insisted 'he can't win those votes' the moment he starts winning some you start playing explain the support and that's when the verbiage usually really starts slipping up and even more voters switch sides.
So good luck with it, kid.

I know the OP that said 'Hillary owns the gay vote' is that which made me put O'Malley in my second spot. I don't want to party with folks who think they 'own' me. Fuck that noise and those who make it.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
25. He's gaining ground. He was in single digits a month ago.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 02:30 PM
Oct 2015

If he keeps picking up 8-10% per month, he'll be in good shape when the primaries begin. It pleases me to see Camp Weathervane so desperate....and they'll no doubt double down on the smears since there's nothing positive they can say about HRH.

 

craigmatic

(4,510 posts)
36. Sanders will win the black vote all he has to do is remind them of the Clintons' record on crime.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 08:39 PM
Oct 2015

Many black people I talk to like him better than Clinton particularly the young while older black voters favor her.

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