Which part of "Bull shit" is a personal attack exactly??

a pollster. While the organization is not a person, you are attacking their inherent claim to be competent at what they do.


Also, your two word criticism is harsh but without any analysis or explanation. Thus, a 'personal attack' on the competence of the pollster without any argument or evidence.

Limelight rules.

That is what your poll says. The poll is wrong.

Pepsi!
4 out of 5 Dentists who chew gum.

Just another product being hyped.

But I am sure they will find a Facebook page to back them up.

Its on the way, no doubt.

Take a gander at their methodology.

were interviewed by phone.

Im sure Hillary is doing overwhelmingly well among people with aol email addresses, too.

I see 80% phone.

How do you know those are all landlines?

PPP said a few years ago they would start polling cell phones.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ppp-to-start-polling-cell-phone-users

You'll quickly notice they say things like "If you are a woman, press 1". Thus demonstrating it was not a live person conducting the poll.

Guess what's illegal to do over cell phones?

seems to be questioning polling methodology?

It's also not 2012 anymore, as upsetting as that may be to the people who still think the macarena is cutting edge of hipness.

http://www.statista.com/chart/2072/landline-phones-in-the-united-states/

132 people. Who answered their land lines.

I wouldnt get too excited about this one, if i were you.

And they were polled by land line, the societal shifts around which polling methodology has still not caught up.

However, I would caution Bernie supporters who are attempting to "unskew" scientific polls conducted by well-respected and experienced polling firms.

We saw that horror movie in 2012 and it turned out to be a bloody night for GOPers. Karl Rove was in utter disbelief on live television.

You don't want that to be you, trust me.

Pollsters like PPP and analysts like Nate Silver had the last laugh.

Probably be the nominee.

So if you're expecting to see me weep on MSNBC on super tuesday, you will be disappointed.



Sometimes i think my estimation of her chances is greater than the secret fears of some of her more "enthusiastic" backers here- otherwise how to explain the full court press here, throwing every random fucking thing at the wall against bernie sanders (and his supporters) .. Seems a little desperate, for people claiming such certainty and "inevitability".

I get it, some folks are still traumatized by 2008 or otherwise nursing random grudges or deep personal issues that have diddly to do with next years election. Still, the rational response would be "glad Sanders is in the mix, he is elevating the terms of the discussion"

If you see the attachment, you'll see they refer to 80% phone.

There's no distinction between cell phones and land lines.

In fact, PPP said a few years ago they would start polling cell phones:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ppp-to-start-polling-cell-phone-users

Hold on, just got something coming in over the fax...

People are so stupid.

They vote in droves you can't count on young people to vote

are you shitting me

Kewl stary bro.

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I haven't questioned our cat about it.

exactly what does that entail?

perhaps a restatement will clarify

a. Assumes he or she knows nothing of others plight, that if someone from another group tells them bananas are round like apples in their world, then bananas are round like apples in their world

b. Realizes capitalism is all but completely unworkable, that we must do everything in our power to take *for profit motives out of many areas of life - not all but many

c. Comes down on the side of rights for all unless said rights specifically deny others

d. Last thing a very liberal person would do is promote or support war, unless there was no other option...America has not had a NO OTHER option situation since WWII


That is for starters...













*for profit to me means shareholder and CEO profits that are obscene...profits that allow working people to make more and more money, great...profits that allow one person to make 700 times more than the people doing the actual work, not great.

Boy, with a sample size that massive, you can really trust these results.

Im sure that included a generous helping of millennials. Cough.

Millennials response "uh, we were in grade school"

Why does no one tell me these things?

You're part of the 41% if you're very liberal and you support Bernie.

This comes out in the same news wave that Hillary all of a sudden has surged to 20 more points above Sanders and now this..

Very Liberal voters will stay home if Hillary is nominated.
The Rutgers poll showing the Hillary surge doesnt give the number of samplings. If you notice there aren't many replied to question those results, because if one is not a Hillary supporter than they are blocked from postingin this Hillary groups original post.

Cali_Democrat's making a separate post for every demographic she can take from one poll.

of hearing that seniors favor Hillary....Not this senior. Feel the Bern!

"Do you consider yourself very liberal, somewhat liberal.....?"

Thanks.

but looked to see if someone already had. I was talking to an old friend who I see only once in a decade who she was thinking about in this election. She calls herself a very liberal person. She would really like to vote for Ted Cruz, she loved McCain and Palin. When I ask her how she sees herself as liberal it is in comparison to the people in her community. It is a small place in a very large rural area in a very conservative state. To them she is almost a socialist, lol. They prefer Huckabee apparently. She does not keep up with all of this however so who knows. Anyway, if asked she is a very liberal person. As a registered Democrat she loves Hillary but prefers Cruz for some unheard reason, my ears started buzzing and I saw her mouth move but......

So, a dead heat.

so there's a much higher MOE on "very liberal".

Thanks!

every candidate but Bernie and every Democrat but themselves as the next thing to conservative.

I'm not surprised at this at all. "Very liberal voters" like me socially were around long before Real-Deal Elizabeth Warren and then Bernie energized a crowd of discontented, previously unengaged citizens to grab onto and rally around one name.

Sure they do

But the meaning is very subjective.

It would be interesting if they asked people's positions on different policies and then asked them their preferences. Probably would see a lot of chickens voting for Col. Sanders as is usually the case.

The vast majority of voters don't know about policy issues and don't care about where candidates stand on them, from what I've seen.

Like I said, I suspect he's polling disproportionately badly with the "younger voters" who have aol.com email addresses, too, or who can't get enough of Hall and Oates or Frampton comes alive.

So is this the breakdown of the people polled?

Bernie is doing just as well as Hillary with Latinos?

self-defined in this poll. It people were asked their views on issues to categorize them, I bet the poll results amongst very liberal voters would have been different.

Is being manipulated by corporatists, third Wayers, and DINOs

and who did they ask?

I asked her about Bernie, she didn't know who he was! I told her to check him out. She's also is appalled that Trump is ahead in the GOP. She watches the regular news at night and likes Hillary.

The MSM is trying to suppress Bernie and push Hillary. I actually like Hillary and will vote for her if she is the nominee but in the primary I'm voting for Bernie.

My views on issues have not changed but my self-label has. That's the problem with letting peoples' self-labels define them when you're trying to measure something.

liberals, conservatives, libertarians etc. It's been like that for as long as I can remember.

Do you have a better methodology in mind?

Start asking a variety of issues questions to determine where people really are.

liberal, conservative etc?

Also, how much weight do you give to each question/answer and who would determine that? At that point there's too much input from the polling firm. That's probably why they use self-identification.

I'm sure polling firms might have considered this in the past, but perhaps it proved to be too difficult.

Maybe you should start your own polling firm considering the fact that you think they don't know what they're doing.

Although it is interesting that pollsters like PPP prove to be very accurate post election.

Last week it was only the far left that liked Sanders.

You're as...er...flexible as Mrs Clinton.

Hillary is no liberal.

Sorry.

All the "very liberal" folks on here who hated the QWS, and voiced approval when the cops assaulted them, are Hillary supporters. The ones who like the idea of the NSA monitoring everyones' communications, they also seem to be Hillary supporters. The people with the most venomous hatred for Snowden. Private Manning, Assange and Greenwald, are - guess who...
But I'm sure they consider themselves the most liberal people in existence, and that's what counts...

on the most important issues facing our nation.

Very few liberal voters prefer Hillary Clinton's voting record to Bernie Sander's voting record.

This is why corporate media refuses to cover issues, stances and voting records.