2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI'm Voting for Bernie Sanders Because He Answers Questions. Clinton 'Breaks Her Silence' Often
In April, The Economist ran a cover with the words, "What does Hillary stand for?" Essentially, that's why Bernie Sanders will win the Democratic nomination; Democrats no longer want a moderate Republican on issues like war, trade, and Wall Street. After 9/11, when Hillary Clinton's "mistake" helped the Bush administration merge patriotism with counterinsurgency conflicts, Bernie Sanders voted against the Iraq War. Long before Clinton evolved on gay marriage "just in time" for the presidential elections (the former Secretary of State had the same views on gay marriage as Kim Davis until 2013), Sanders voted against Bill Clinton's Defense of Marriage Act and supported same-sex marriage. Sanders never had to wait until gay marriage was acceptable according to polls and never viewed his Iraq vote as a stepping stone to the presidency.
I'm voting for Bernie in large part because he is able to communicate his thoughts without consulting a team of advisers and without apologizing for his value system. Most importantly, Sanders never had to contradict himself because of political pressure, especially since the Vermont Senator has been on the right side of history.
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Unlike Jeb Bush and Dick Cheney, Bernie Sanders recently won the Congressional Award from the Veterans of Foreign Wars because he's always defended our nation's veterans. In contrast, George W. Bush charged a veterans groups $100,000 for a speaking appearance.
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Similar to Bush and Cheney, Hillary Clinton not only circumvents direct responsibility for a decision with semantics("Like with a cloth or something?" , but she continually "breaks her silence" on a number of key topics. With Bernie Sanders, you know exactly where he stands because he has nothing to hide. He's proud of his progressive value system and he's "catching up to the Clinton fundraising juggernaut" by sticking to his principles. In fact, his ability to fund a grass roots campaign with record donations is a "major problem for Hillary Clinton" according to The Washington Post.
He's a genuine human being, not a politician who craves power, and he once drove a busload of breast cancer patients to Canada so they could buy more affordable medication.
Can you imagine Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton driving a busload of cancer patients to Canada for cheaper medication?
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/im-voting-for-bernie-sanders-because-he-answers-questions_b_8243068.html
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Bernie taking women up to Canada to get their breast cancer meds was one of the high points of his career in Congress.
He has always walked the walk!
Thanks, Uncle Joe!
Uncle Joe
(58,297 posts)deadlinetony
(48 posts)He is the epitome of mensch for sure.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,297 posts)Thank you
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)I wish we had more representatives and senators in the mold of Bernie Sanders. I guess we will have to settle for having one in the white house.
randys1
(16,286 posts)As it is until the disastrous teaparty is thrown out on their ass, little to nothing can be done.
Would they work with Hillary over Bernie?
Bernie over Hillary?
Neither, I am sure.
Their stated goal is to destroy the government as we know it.
senz
(11,945 posts)As I'm sure you know, their brains got washed by rightwing media sources. Bernie's entire message rests on the premise that government exists to serve the people -- and he has cogent, detailed propositions for making it do just that. If they could compare Bernie's message with that of their rightwing media and see the difference between a straight talking, honest statesman and slick Fox/Limbaugh-styled propaganda, they might very well begin to open their eyes to the truth. Because truth is more compelling than falsehood.
No way Hillary could do that for them. But Bernie can, because he reaches people; they hear him.
That's why the oligarchs, including the Hillary campaign, are trying so hard to ignore and silence him.
randys1
(16,286 posts)This is why you see little to no difference between Cruz and Clinton?
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)The other one is a senator from Texas.
But, seriously, Hillary is fine on social issues, but her economic and FP stances are too corporate and hawkish for me.
randys1
(16,286 posts)you say the same
senz
(11,945 posts)I was responding to that -- to the teaparty's opinion of government. Government. Get it? Where did I say it was "All about economics?"
And this: "This is why you see little to no difference between Cruz and Clinton?"
I never said that, either. Although I don't care for either one, but Cruz is phony-nuts, while Clinton is phony-smart. Different flavors of phony.
Ohhhh .... I see what you're doing. You're falling back on hackneyed memes about1) Bernie Supporters caring only about the rich vs. the poor and 2) the meme du jour: Bernie supporters won't vote for Hillary over a Republican. Right? Well I don't want to dance around with these boring memes. I thought we were having a reasonable discussion. Sorry I misjudged the situation.
randys1
(16,286 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)It's a boring, hackneyed meme. It makes y'all sound like dutiful, programmed little foot soldiers, insincere and incapable of genuine discussion or any kind of authenticity. Which, sadly, describes your candidate.
Do they send you out on a mission to grill Bernie supporters about whatever it is you've decided to obsess over this week? Have you nothing better to do?
May you break free, randys1. May you step out on your own and be your own person, never, ever to let Hillary-land dictate your commenting behavior again.
FREE RANDY!!
randys1
(16,286 posts)THis is important because if you believe that, I will assume you wont vote for HRC if she is the nominee.
senz
(11,945 posts)Take that authoritarian filth back to Camp Weathervane.
Now quit harrassing me or I'll write you off as a troll.
randys1
(16,286 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,020 posts)I don't give a single fucking about being the more inclusive and secular wing of the Republican party, that weak shit will no longer hold my vote.
Uncle Joe
(58,297 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 6, 2015, 07:51 PM - Edit history (1)
the Democratic Party than if Hillary were elected.
The Republican and Tea party opposition would be greatly weakened should Bernie make it to the Oval Office.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)If they are going to refuse to work with any Democratic candidate then we may as well have the most progressive possible candidate in office.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)Are genuine. He has always worked for the average American. In a time when Wall Street, Corporations and Bankers own our government, we need someone like Bernie to stand up for our interests. We need him.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)want her to stand for. They say "Jump!" and she asks "How high?" Apart from that, the only thing she stands for is her own self-advancement.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)I don't know how anyone can trust a word she says, when she's changed her stance on so many cut and dried issues. Anyone with a brain knows she'll pander to the banks and other oligarchs once she's in office.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)rtracey
(2,062 posts)I am not a Bernie supporter, but will vote for him in the general election if he wins the nomination. Will Sanders supporters vote for Hillary in the general election if she wins the nomination? Many of my Sanders supporters friends have said they hear a vote for Sanders is a vote for Republicans. I am here to say I believe that false.... Will Party win out, or will complacency win out?
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Why do they continue to trot out this stupidity?
Blah-blah-blah-not a Bernie supporter-blah-blah-will you vote for the lesser of two evils-blah-blah.
Let me put it to you this way. If I have a choice between an original home cooked meal or a McDonald's heartstopper super-sized fuck-me-over burger, and the corporate media keeps shoving that godawful piece of over processed corporate filth into my face until it is time for dinner, I will give that dilemma the thought it deserves before I take a bite.
I suggest you do the same.
I pretty much know what you would do.....
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)As soon as March 1 when Bernie drops out, he will support Hillary though. Count on it.
senz
(11,945 posts)Is that all that matters to you? Don't you have anything more productive to do with your online time? Why don't you try to make a cogent argument for why anyone should vote for Hillary Clinton? At least that might be pertinent.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Do you think for one second that you can control the feelings and decisions of other people? What are you going to do now? Badger him/her?
This is ridiculous.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Try to have some creativity, it will alleve the boredom.
senz
(11,945 posts)perhaps you could start a separate OP to address it?
Besides, it makes no sense to try to associate Bernie with "complacency." If anything, Democrats who fall back on the familiar image of Hillary Clinton, despite the fact that she is about as close to Republican as any so-called Democrat could get, are the very definition of "complacent."
Ino
(3,366 posts)I'll let her know after the election.
TheKentuckian
(25,020 posts)so quit even trying to force feed them because I aim to spit them out with extreme prejudice.
If that sort is who you want to elect then get to work getting TeaPubliKlans to start breathing through their noses and to stop seeing free market Jesus riding dinosaurs to the rescue of Muricka.
Clean up the conservative party instead of working to give it two wings.
artislife
(9,497 posts)It isn't just a question. It seems to be the main question.
Next!
DanTex
(20,709 posts)deadlinetony
(48 posts)H.A. Goodman happens to be a very good journalist. He is 100% for Bernie, not Rand. So go find another one meme to cling onto..
senz
(11,945 posts)Becoming predictable, DanTex.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)It's so hard to keep up. (There doesn't seem to be a smilie for abject ignorance.)
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Asking for proof of a poster's claim, usually met with *crickets*.
senz!
senz
(11,945 posts)Don't you get sick of them? I'm totally fed up. What a cynical, bland, boring lot they are. They've been sent out today to grill Bernie supporters on who they're going to support in the GE -- and that is ALL they want to talk about. I wish there were a gif showing a cat kicking sand over its you-know-what. Shot from behind the cat so the viewer feels like the you-know-what. That would be a nice response to their lizard-level blather.
Oh well. Hi bmus! Hope you're having a good Tuesday. I woke up this morning thinking it was Saturday, so now it's like getting three extra days.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)When I wake up thinking it's the weekend and it's not I'm a little sore.
All's good here, little hot today but considering what's happening in SC I can't complain.
senz
(11,945 posts)But I'm retired, bmus; it's just one undifferentiated day after another.
Yes, SC is on the receiving end of man-made climate change caused by global warming. Just searched my bookmarks for one of the warnings about just this sort of thing and located one from 3 years ago but am pretty sure I read about it earlier.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/jul/10/extreme-weather-manmade-climate-change
Too bad "Hillary and the Republicans" (my favorite music group, has this middle-aged blonde out in front of backup singers in tuxedos, top hats and spats) don't dare antagonize the fossil fuel industry or any other big donors.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Because when someone wrote that to me, I thought they knew I was Latina.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)neverforget
(9,436 posts)sit.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Apparently the memo didn't include details.
The picture they made of Red Scare Bernie Minion shows they don't know the difference between Communism and Democratic Socialism either.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)They evolve with the polls!!!!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Gun nut last week, didn't support lgbt rights was yesterday and today, maybe EEK HE'S A SOCIALIST! tomorrow?
Got to keep that compost churned.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)He's unelectable!!!!!!!!!!!!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,297 posts)environment, civil rights, tax policy, unionization and government's role being just a few.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Bernie_Sanders.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Rand_Paul.htm
neverforget
(9,436 posts)I swear!!
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)the same truth.. every time.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)you never have to think about it.
thanks uncle joe!
Gman
(24,780 posts)That's as good as any.
Gamecock Lefty
(700 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)I've noticed you posting a lot lately, and every one a gem! You are one of the stars in the DU firmament.
Uncle Joe
(58,297 posts)Peace to you.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Thanks, Uncle Joe.
Uncle Joe
(58,297 posts)I will bookmark this as well.
riversedge
(70,089 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)You can do it, leftofcool. I know you can.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)You know, that media that is so "in the bag" for her, but takes Trey Gowdy and Lindsay Graham seriously on Benghazi.
Has Hillary Clinton ever issued a press release stating she's "Breaking her silence today/tomorrow/next week"?
Uncle Joe
(58,297 posts)The democratic presidential candidate on Thursday expressed frustration over the Obama administration's delay on making a decision on Keystone XL pipeline, and said that she is putting the White House on notice and will make her position known soon - something she so far refused to do.
I have been waiting for the administration to make a decision. I thought I owed them that, Clinton said during a town hall at the Concord Boys and Girls Club, when asked by a female voter about the multi-billion dollar pipeline that runs from Canada to the Gulf Coast. "I cant wait too much longer. I am putting the White House on notice. I am going to tell you what I think soon.
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(While campaigning in New Hampshire in July, Clinton told a voter, who asked for her position, this: "If it is undecided when I become president, I will answer your question.)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141209777
senz
(11,945 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)The choice should be obvious.
Thanks for posting this highly relevant article, Uncle Joe.
spinbaby
(15,088 posts)But I feel like we haven't seen the real Hillary in years. It's like she's been focus-grouped and micromanaged out of existence. We're seeing the real Bernie.
Utopian Leftist
(534 posts)that add up to me thinking Bernie is more than just another politician: he is a LEADER!
Go, Bernie!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,297 posts)Peace to you.