Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Uncle Joe

(58,297 posts)
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 02:43 PM Oct 2015

I'm Voting for Bernie Sanders Because He Answers Questions. Clinton 'Breaks Her Silence' Often



In April, The Economist ran a cover with the words, "What does Hillary stand for?" Essentially, that's why Bernie Sanders will win the Democratic nomination; Democrats no longer want a moderate Republican on issues like war, trade, and Wall Street. After 9/11, when Hillary Clinton's "mistake" helped the Bush administration merge patriotism with counterinsurgency conflicts, Bernie Sanders voted against the Iraq War. Long before Clinton evolved on gay marriage "just in time" for the presidential elections (the former Secretary of State had the same views on gay marriage as Kim Davis until 2013), Sanders voted against Bill Clinton's Defense of Marriage Act and supported same-sex marriage. Sanders never had to wait until gay marriage was acceptable according to polls and never viewed his Iraq vote as a stepping stone to the presidency.

I'm voting for Bernie in large part because he is able to communicate his thoughts without consulting a team of advisers and without apologizing for his value system. Most importantly, Sanders never had to contradict himself because of political pressure, especially since the Vermont Senator has been on the right side of history.


(snip)

Unlike Jeb Bush and Dick Cheney, Bernie Sanders recently won the Congressional Award from the Veterans of Foreign Wars because he's always defended our nation's veterans. In contrast, George W. Bush charged a veterans groups $100,000 for a speaking appearance.

(snip)

Similar to Bush and Cheney, Hillary Clinton not only circumvents direct responsibility for a decision with semantics("Like with a cloth or something?&quot , but she continually "breaks her silence" on a number of key topics. With Bernie Sanders, you know exactly where he stands because he has nothing to hide. He's proud of his progressive value system and he's "catching up to the Clinton fundraising juggernaut" by sticking to his principles. In fact, his ability to fund a grass roots campaign with record donations is a "major problem for Hillary Clinton" according to The Washington Post.

He's a genuine human being, not a politician who craves power, and he once drove a busload of breast cancer patients to Canada so they could buy more affordable medication.

Can you imagine Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton driving a busload of cancer patients to Canada for cheaper medication?


(snip)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/im-voting-for-bernie-sanders-because-he-answers-questions_b_8243068.html




86 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
I'm Voting for Bernie Sanders Because He Answers Questions. Clinton 'Breaks Her Silence' Often (Original Post) Uncle Joe Oct 2015 OP
K & R! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #1
I've seen articles describing Bernie as a "Mensch" before, this is a prime example. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #5
Yes, his picture ought to be in that definition deadlinetony Oct 2015 #16
What a Mensch... Fawke Em Oct 2015 #50
That was great, Fawke Em! Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #57
Agreed! kenfrequed Oct 2015 #2
Me too, way more, because that way we might actually get something done. randys1 Oct 2015 #29
The tea party has been brainwashed into believing that government is useless. senz Oct 2015 #37
So it is all about economics, right? randys1 Oct 2015 #41
One is right-wing on economic and foreign policy issues. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #51
Me too, but if Hillary is the nominee, you couldnt stop me from voting for her, I would hope randys1 Oct 2015 #54
Wha?? You wrote "Their stated goal is to destroy the government as we know it." senz Oct 2015 #52
So they are the same, is that right? randys1 Oct 2015 #53
Sounds like you're pursuing Camp Weathervane's meme of the day. senz Oct 2015 #58
Still no answer. Yes or no, there is little to no difference between Cruz and HRC? randys1 Oct 2015 #59
Hey. You have no right to demand answers of anyone. ANYONE. senz Oct 2015 #63
Not gonna answer then, I see. randys1 Oct 2015 #64
Damn straight. But at least you have good eyesight. senz Oct 2015 #67
There are differences between Poppy and W Bush too but they are both fucking awful. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #68
If Bernie is elected the political dynamics would change much more favorably for Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #65
Bernie is who I support kenfrequed Oct 2015 #77
k and an enthusiastic r AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #3
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #4
Absolutely K & R SoapBox Oct 2015 #6
I'm voting for Bernie because his politics azmom Oct 2015 #7
She stands for whatever the MIC and the banksters hifiguy Oct 2015 #8
Mrs Clinton seems to have no principles at all. Doctor_J Oct 2015 #9
Yup n/t FlatBaroque Oct 2015 #10
Just a question rtracey Oct 2015 #11
Get over it Android3.14 Oct 2015 #14
wow rtracey Oct 2015 #19
And that is your answer. Bernie supporters will never vote for Hillary. leftofcool Oct 2015 #39
Android said nothing whatsoever about "Bernie supporters." senz Oct 2015 #44
I'm hearing an echo in the cave Android3.14 Oct 2015 #62
pfffft. artislife Oct 2015 #72
So what? That is only one person. senz Oct 2015 #43
Pretty apparent that you know what you are doing. artislife Oct 2015 #71
Since your question has nothing to do with this discussion, senz Oct 2015 #24
Are you asking if Hillary can count on my vote? Ino Oct 2015 #25
Big LOL! Divernan Oct 2015 #38
Good one! My answer is no and further I'll never vote another Turd Wayer for that office TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #69
How many ways does this question need to be posted? artislife Oct 2015 #70
Not surprising. HA Goodman is a Rand Paul supporter, I guess he sees a lot in common with Bernie. DanTex Oct 2015 #12
So you discredit him, and doesn't bother reading the article. deadlinetony Oct 2015 #17
Attack the messanger, ignore the message, plug up your ears and go "la la la la la." senz Oct 2015 #27
You need only to looks at the issues to see Sanders and Paul and not that far apart. leftofcool Oct 2015 #40
LOL -- what in "pro-government" vs. "anti-government" do you not understand? senz Oct 2015 #45
Which issues, specifically? Please list them since you seem to be an expert. Tia! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #48
When I see "Tia" I think, "aunt." What am I missing? senz Oct 2015 #55
Tia = Thanks in advance! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #56
Ha! senz Oct 2015 #60
At least you're looking on the bright side! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #61
Oh yeah, I remember "weekends." They were nice. senz Oct 2015 #66
That is hella funny artislife Oct 2015 #73
Lol! I never thought about that! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #74
Funny how they never answered that question. Just throw the charge out there and let it neverforget Oct 2015 #79
Right? Comparisons to Paul are a HC supporter talking point, nothing else. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #81
Details? Who needs them? neverforget Oct 2015 #82
Lol! I wonder what tomorrow's meme will be? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #83
The socialist meme seems to be the go to when all else fails neverforget Oct 2015 #84
It's the default position. :) beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #85
They're light years apart on many fundamental issues, health care, climate change, the Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #49
Yeah but they're the same!! neverforget Oct 2015 #80
You just let people know exactly how much you know about politics. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #78
I will vote for Bernie Sanders because he is right and he tells the truth.. pangaia Oct 2015 #13
that is the great thing about being genuine restorefreedom Oct 2015 #15
I guess if you need a reason Gman Oct 2015 #18
Well That's Breaking News. Gamecock Lefty Oct 2015 #20
Thank you for posting this excellent discussion, Uncle Joe! Demeter Oct 2015 #21
Thank you for the kind words, Demeter. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #23
This is a great read...Fact Filled and a Good One to Bookmark! KoKo Oct 2015 #22
Thanks for passing on a good idea, KoKo. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #26
Oh, its that Goodman fella again. riversedge Oct 2015 #28
Yeh who cares wot HE says? Nothing to see here, folks. Move along! senz Oct 2015 #33
Isn't he a Rand Paul fan? leftofcool Oct 2015 #42
You really want to bring up fans of candidates? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #46
I dunno. Who cares? Judge the article on its own merits. senz Oct 2015 #47
So his premise hinges on a narrative and a phrase cooked up by the "liberal" mainstream media? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2015 #30
Do you mean like the Keystone Pipeline? Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #31
No, his premise rests on observation of the facts. Go back & read the article. senz Oct 2015 #34
Bernie is principled, honest and reliable. Hillary is nothing but blind ambition. senz Oct 2015 #32
Overall, I like Hillary spinbaby Oct 2015 #35
It's the many little things like driving a busload of cancer patients to Canada for medication Utopian Leftist Oct 2015 #36
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #75
Thank you, WillyT. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #86
I'm torn between Joe and Bernie. I don't trust Hillary. craigmatic Oct 2015 #76

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
1. K & R!
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 02:47 PM
Oct 2015

Bernie taking women up to Canada to get their breast cancer meds was one of the high points of his career in Congress.

He has always walked the walk!

Thanks, Uncle Joe!



kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
2. Agreed!
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 02:47 PM
Oct 2015

I wish we had more representatives and senators in the mold of Bernie Sanders. I guess we will have to settle for having one in the white house.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
29. Me too, way more, because that way we might actually get something done.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:52 PM
Oct 2015

As it is until the disastrous teaparty is thrown out on their ass, little to nothing can be done.

Would they work with Hillary over Bernie?

Bernie over Hillary?

Neither, I am sure.

Their stated goal is to destroy the government as we know it.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
37. The tea party has been brainwashed into believing that government is useless.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:37 PM
Oct 2015

As I'm sure you know, their brains got washed by rightwing media sources. Bernie's entire message rests on the premise that government exists to serve the people -- and he has cogent, detailed propositions for making it do just that. If they could compare Bernie's message with that of their rightwing media and see the difference between a straight talking, honest statesman and slick Fox/Limbaugh-styled propaganda, they might very well begin to open their eyes to the truth. Because truth is more compelling than falsehood.

No way Hillary could do that for them. But Bernie can, because he reaches people; they hear him.

That's why the oligarchs, including the Hillary campaign, are trying so hard to ignore and silence him.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
41. So it is all about economics, right?
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:40 PM
Oct 2015

This is why you see little to no difference between Cruz and Clinton?

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
51. One is right-wing on economic and foreign policy issues.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 06:12 PM
Oct 2015

The other one is a senator from Texas.



But, seriously, Hillary is fine on social issues, but her economic and FP stances are too corporate and hawkish for me.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
54. Me too, but if Hillary is the nominee, you couldnt stop me from voting for her, I would hope
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 06:22 PM
Oct 2015

you say the same

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
52. Wha?? You wrote "Their stated goal is to destroy the government as we know it."
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 06:20 PM
Oct 2015

I was responding to that -- to the teaparty's opinion of government. Government. Get it? Where did I say it was "All about economics?"

And this: "This is why you see little to no difference between Cruz and Clinton?"

I never said that, either. Although I don't care for either one, but Cruz is phony-nuts, while Clinton is phony-smart. Different flavors of phony.

Ohhhh .... I see what you're doing. You're falling back on hackneyed memes about1) Bernie Supporters caring only about the rich vs. the poor and 2) the meme du jour: Bernie supporters won't vote for Hillary over a Republican. Right? Well I don't want to dance around with these boring memes. I thought we were having a reasonable discussion. Sorry I misjudged the situation.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
58. Sounds like you're pursuing Camp Weathervane's meme of the day.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 06:39 PM
Oct 2015

It's a boring, hackneyed meme. It makes y'all sound like dutiful, programmed little foot soldiers, insincere and incapable of genuine discussion or any kind of authenticity. Which, sadly, describes your candidate.

Do they send you out on a mission to grill Bernie supporters about whatever it is you've decided to obsess over this week? Have you nothing better to do?

May you break free, randys1. May you step out on your own and be your own person, never, ever to let Hillary-land dictate your commenting behavior again.

FREE RANDY!!

randys1

(16,286 posts)
59. Still no answer. Yes or no, there is little to no difference between Cruz and HRC?
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 06:42 PM
Oct 2015

THis is important because if you believe that, I will assume you wont vote for HRC if she is the nominee.
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
63. Hey. You have no right to demand answers of anyone. ANYONE.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 07:02 PM
Oct 2015

Take that authoritarian filth back to Camp Weathervane.

Now quit harrassing me or I'll write you off as a troll.

TheKentuckian

(25,020 posts)
68. There are differences between Poppy and W Bush too but they are both fucking awful.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 07:52 PM
Oct 2015

I don't give a single fucking about being the more inclusive and secular wing of the Republican party, that weak shit will no longer hold my vote.

Uncle Joe

(58,297 posts)
65. If Bernie is elected the political dynamics would change much more favorably for
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 07:18 PM
Oct 2015

Last edited Tue Oct 6, 2015, 07:51 PM - Edit history (1)

the Democratic Party than if Hillary were elected.

The Republican and Tea party opposition would be greatly weakened should Bernie make it to the Oval Office.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
77. Bernie is who I support
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 11:09 PM
Oct 2015

If they are going to refuse to work with any Democratic candidate then we may as well have the most progressive possible candidate in office.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
7. I'm voting for Bernie because his politics
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:06 PM
Oct 2015

Are genuine. He has always worked for the average American. In a time when Wall Street, Corporations and Bankers own our government, we need someone like Bernie to stand up for our interests. We need him.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
8. She stands for whatever the MIC and the banksters
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:09 PM
Oct 2015

want her to stand for. They say "Jump!" and she asks "How high?" Apart from that, the only thing she stands for is her own self-advancement.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
9. Mrs Clinton seems to have no principles at all.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:13 PM
Oct 2015

I don't know how anyone can trust a word she says, when she's changed her stance on so many cut and dried issues. Anyone with a brain knows she'll pander to the banks and other oligarchs once she's in office.

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
11. Just a question
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:27 PM
Oct 2015

I am not a Bernie supporter, but will vote for him in the general election if he wins the nomination. Will Sanders supporters vote for Hillary in the general election if she wins the nomination? Many of my Sanders supporters friends have said they hear a vote for Sanders is a vote for Republicans. I am here to say I believe that false.... Will Party win out, or will complacency win out?

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
14. Get over it
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:50 PM
Oct 2015

Why do they continue to trot out this stupidity?

Blah-blah-blah-not a Bernie supporter-blah-blah-will you vote for the lesser of two evils-blah-blah.

Let me put it to you this way. If I have a choice between an original home cooked meal or a McDonald's heartstopper super-sized fuck-me-over burger, and the corporate media keeps shoving that godawful piece of over processed corporate filth into my face until it is time for dinner, I will give that dilemma the thought it deserves before I take a bite.

I suggest you do the same.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
39. And that is your answer. Bernie supporters will never vote for Hillary.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:38 PM
Oct 2015

As soon as March 1 when Bernie drops out, he will support Hillary though. Count on it.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
44. Android said nothing whatsoever about "Bernie supporters."
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:48 PM
Oct 2015

Is that all that matters to you? Don't you have anything more productive to do with your online time? Why don't you try to make a cogent argument for why anyone should vote for Hillary Clinton? At least that might be pertinent.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
43. So what? That is only one person.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:43 PM
Oct 2015

Do you think for one second that you can control the feelings and decisions of other people? What are you going to do now? Badger him/her?

This is ridiculous.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
71. Pretty apparent that you know what you are doing.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 08:09 PM
Oct 2015

Try to have some creativity, it will alleve the boredom.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
24. Since your question has nothing to do with this discussion,
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:42 PM
Oct 2015

perhaps you could start a separate OP to address it?

Besides, it makes no sense to try to associate Bernie with "complacency." If anything, Democrats who fall back on the familiar image of Hillary Clinton, despite the fact that she is about as close to Republican as any so-called Democrat could get, are the very definition of "complacent."

TheKentuckian

(25,020 posts)
69. Good one! My answer is no and further I'll never vote another Turd Wayer for that office
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 08:02 PM
Oct 2015

so quit even trying to force feed them because I aim to spit them out with extreme prejudice.

If that sort is who you want to elect then get to work getting TeaPubliKlans to start breathing through their noses and to stop seeing free market Jesus riding dinosaurs to the rescue of Muricka.

Clean up the conservative party instead of working to give it two wings.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
70. How many ways does this question need to be posted?
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 08:07 PM
Oct 2015

It isn't just a question. It seems to be the main question.


Next!

 

deadlinetony

(48 posts)
17. So you discredit him, and doesn't bother reading the article.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:05 PM
Oct 2015

H.A. Goodman happens to be a very good journalist. He is 100% for Bernie, not Rand. So go find another one meme to cling onto..

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
27. Attack the messanger, ignore the message, plug up your ears and go "la la la la la."
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:45 PM
Oct 2015

Becoming predictable, DanTex.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
55. When I see "Tia" I think, "aunt." What am I missing?
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 06:26 PM
Oct 2015

It's so hard to keep up. (There doesn't seem to be a smilie for abject ignorance.)

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
60. Ha!
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 06:51 PM
Oct 2015

Don't you get sick of them? I'm totally fed up. What a cynical, bland, boring lot they are. They've been sent out today to grill Bernie supporters on who they're going to support in the GE -- and that is ALL they want to talk about. I wish there were a gif showing a cat kicking sand over its you-know-what. Shot from behind the cat so the viewer feels like the you-know-what. That would be a nice response to their lizard-level blather.

Oh well. Hi bmus! Hope you're having a good Tuesday. I woke up this morning thinking it was Saturday, so now it's like getting three extra days.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
61. At least you're looking on the bright side!
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 06:54 PM
Oct 2015

When I wake up thinking it's the weekend and it's not I'm a little sore.

All's good here, little hot today but considering what's happening in SC I can't complain.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
66. Oh yeah, I remember "weekends." They were nice.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 07:22 PM
Oct 2015

But I'm retired, bmus; it's just one undifferentiated day after another.

Yes, SC is on the receiving end of man-made climate change caused by global warming. Just searched my bookmarks for one of the warnings about just this sort of thing and located one from 3 years ago but am pretty sure I read about it earlier.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/jul/10/extreme-weather-manmade-climate-change

Too bad "Hillary and the Republicans" (my favorite music group, has this middle-aged blonde out in front of backup singers in tuxedos, top hats and spats) don't dare antagonize the fossil fuel industry or any other big donors.



beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
81. Right? Comparisons to Paul are a HC supporter talking point, nothing else.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 11:23 PM
Oct 2015

Apparently the memo didn't include details.

The picture they made of Red Scare Bernie Minion shows they don't know the difference between Communism and Democratic Socialism either.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
83. Lol! I wonder what tomorrow's meme will be?
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 11:29 PM
Oct 2015

Gun nut last week, didn't support lgbt rights was yesterday and today, maybe EEK HE'S A SOCIALIST! tomorrow?

Got to keep that compost churned.


Uncle Joe

(58,297 posts)
49. They're light years apart on many fundamental issues, health care, climate change, the
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 06:01 PM
Oct 2015

environment, civil rights, tax policy, unionization and government's role being just a few.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Bernie_Sanders.htm

http://www.ontheissues.org/Rand_Paul.htm

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
13. I will vote for Bernie Sanders because he is right and he tells the truth..
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:44 PM
Oct 2015

the same truth.. every time.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
21. Thank you for posting this excellent discussion, Uncle Joe!
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:34 PM
Oct 2015

I've noticed you posting a lot lately, and every one a gem! You are one of the stars in the DU firmament.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
47. I dunno. Who cares? Judge the article on its own merits.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:52 PM
Oct 2015

You can do it, leftofcool. I know you can.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
30. So his premise hinges on a narrative and a phrase cooked up by the "liberal" mainstream media?
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:54 PM
Oct 2015

You know, that media that is so "in the bag" for her, but takes Trey Gowdy and Lindsay Graham seriously on Benghazi.

Has Hillary Clinton ever issued a press release stating she's "Breaking her silence today/tomorrow/next week"?

Uncle Joe

(58,297 posts)
31. Do you mean like the Keystone Pipeline?
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:05 PM
Oct 2015


The democratic presidential candidate on Thursday expressed frustration over the Obama administration's delay on making a decision on Keystone XL pipeline, and said that she is “putting the White House on notice” and will make her position known “soon” —- something she so far refused to do.

“I have been waiting for the administration to make a decision. I thought I owed them that,” Clinton said during a town hall at the Concord Boys and Girls Club, when asked by a female voter about the multi-billion dollar pipeline that runs from Canada to the Gulf Coast. "I can’t wait too much longer. I am putting the White House on notice. I am going to tell you what I think soon.”

(snip)

(While campaigning in New Hampshire in July, Clinton told a voter, who asked for her position, this: "If it is undecided when I become president, I will answer your question.”)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141209777





 

senz

(11,945 posts)
32. Bernie is principled, honest and reliable. Hillary is nothing but blind ambition.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:15 PM
Oct 2015

The choice should be obvious.

Thanks for posting this highly relevant article, Uncle Joe.

spinbaby

(15,088 posts)
35. Overall, I like Hillary
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:30 PM
Oct 2015

But I feel like we haven't seen the real Hillary in years. It's like she's been focus-grouped and micromanaged out of existence. We're seeing the real Bernie.

Utopian Leftist

(534 posts)
36. It's the many little things like driving a busload of cancer patients to Canada for medication
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:36 PM
Oct 2015

that add up to me thinking Bernie is more than just another politician: he is a LEADER!

Go, Bernie!

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»I'm Voting for Bernie San...