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artislife

(9,497 posts)
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:03 PM Oct 2015

So Hillary is going after guns

She is hoping to get some of the left's votes.

This is what happened today when President Obama visited the grieving families in Oregon. Sorry about the link source, it came on my FB feed from a very progressive friend. We are appalled. Hillary may wonder how good of a choice she made because I don't think she will gain that any more Left votes but may lose some votes she already had.

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/hours_before_obama_honors_oregon_shooting_victims_two_more_school_shootings_today_leave_2_dead


Hundreds of "gun rights" supporters who oppose gun control lined the highway into town to send a strong message to the President as he drove to meet with the families of the victims of last Thursday's massacre: "Go home!"
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So Hillary is going after guns (Original Post) artislife Oct 2015 OP
If hundreds of BLACK gun rights supporters had demonstrated guillaumeb Oct 2015 #1
They wouldn't even need guns artislife Oct 2015 #4
About what I expected to see. guillaumeb Oct 2015 #8
Yes, 2nd amendment is for primarily white people artislife Oct 2015 #10
Have you seen the cell phone carriers that look like automatics? guillaumeb Oct 2015 #20
President Bush set up fenced in free speach zones. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #11
and surrounded the "free speech" zones with police. guillaumeb Oct 2015 #21
I am completely missing whatever point is trying to be made....liberals should give up on gun Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #2
Don't worry your little head about this OP. artislife Oct 2015 #5
So, as I thought....no response because there was no point to defend to begin with! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #6
That's despicable, President Obama went there to support the families not take away their precious. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #3
They heard the president's speech the day of the college shooting yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #12
I didn't say they don't have the right, I said they were despicable and I stand by that. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #13
Maybe but a few families joined them so maybe not all families wanted the president to visit yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #14
Some families were quite vocal 840high Oct 2015 #16
Roseburg is wingnut territory, not really the "left". JaneyVee Oct 2015 #7
Maybe my point isn't clear artislife Oct 2015 #9
She has consistently voted for gun control. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #15
The political spectrum is not black and white and not one dimensional Fumesucker Oct 2015 #17
My point is, is the notion that she may lose rightwing votes... JaneyVee Oct 2015 #18
Indeed...screw a few gun lover-NRA lover Fox brainwashed RW votes! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #19

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. If hundreds of BLACK gun rights supporters had demonstrated
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:06 PM
Oct 2015

anywhere close to where WHITE President George W. Bush had been speaking, what would have been the result?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
8. About what I expected to see.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:17 PM
Oct 2015

But the white man is clearly a patriot exercising his Second Amendment rights (as a white man) to carry a gun.

The black man is clearly a Black Panther intent on armed revolution.


THIS is pornography. The intersection of white privilege, acute racism, and police repression.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
10. Yes, 2nd amendment is for primarily white people
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:21 PM
Oct 2015

I am surprised minorities like me can carry cell phones, they can look so dangerous.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
21. and surrounded the "free speech" zones with police.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 12:06 PM
Oct 2015

We would not want people thinking that the First Amendment was more important than the Second.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
2. I am completely missing whatever point is trying to be made....liberals should give up on gun
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:08 PM
Oct 2015

control because a handful of yahoos in Oregon showed up to prove how brainwashed they are??

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
6. So, as I thought....no response because there was no point to defend to begin with!
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:11 PM
Oct 2015

The "liberals should not do gun control because of all the massive loss of gun lovers votes" is tired and old and wrong and a beloved meme of the NRA.

Just pointing that out.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
12. They heard the president's speech the day of the college shooting
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:39 PM
Oct 2015

And didn't like what they heard. Their right to do so just as its are right to applaud the speech.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
13. I didn't say they don't have the right, I said they were despicable and I stand by that.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:41 PM
Oct 2015

They care more about their guns than the feelings of the families who are grieving.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
7. Roseburg is wingnut territory, not really the "left".
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:11 PM
Oct 2015

If that's the point you're trying to make. Roseburg is pretty conservative.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
9. Maybe my point isn't clear
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:19 PM
Oct 2015

Hillary, who understood the gun culture and celebrated it in 2008 especially when it helped her create a difference between her opponent during that primary race, now is again trying to create a difference between her opponent in this race. What she may not understand, besides being all over the spectrum on guns, is that her small gain in votes for the left will be off set by a large loss of votes from the right.

Why I am saying this? Because I don't believe in gun control? NO, I believe in gun control, not banning of guns. I do think most of the gun laws like right to carry have the unspoken words---as long as you are white---attached to them. I am saying this because I think Hillary is only thinking of how she can be elected. I hold very little hope that she has a moral center on a lot of things (except women issues and even that I think is pretty white and middle to upper class). But she is ready to shape shift at the drop of a hat to garner more votes.

This latest move may not be such a great vote getter as she would have hoped.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
15. She has consistently voted for gun control.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 01:14 AM
Oct 2015

And did you think she was getting votes from the rightwing?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
17. The political spectrum is not black and white and not one dimensional
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 05:32 AM
Oct 2015

Trying to reduce voters to left or right is absurdly reductionist.

For instance we have a well known poster on DU who in 2008 thought Hillary Clinton was a Rovian liar who should never be a candidate in so many words and today thinks she is the best qualified candidate for President.

People are complicated and change their minds as we can see, often for reasons that they are unable to adequately explain as we have seen the last 24 hours.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
18. My point is, is the notion that she may lose rightwing votes...
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 08:12 AM
Oct 2015

A reason to not stand up to the NRA on this important issue? It shows she's a fighter. Screw the rightwing votes.

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