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Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:06 PM Oct 2015

So, I now have very little doubt that Julian Castro will be Clinton's VP nominee

And I can't be more excited.

His endorsement of Clinton coming next week is just the next step in making that ticket happen, and it is perfect. One of the bright young stars in the Democratic party gets to position himself for his own eventual run, his addition to the ticket effectively negates Rubio's demographic strength (if he is nominated) and it gives an incredible northern/southern balance for the general election.

This was the endorsement I was waiting for. Next year's convention is going to be a blast.

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So, I now have very little doubt that Julian Castro will be Clinton's VP nominee (Original Post) Godhumor Oct 2015 OP
He is a rock star redstateblues Oct 2015 #1
Rock star? I bet he can't play two chords on any instrument. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #4
You got a problem with drummers? DanTex Oct 2015 #28
Touche. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #30
Drummers are people who hang out with musicians! Human101948 Oct 2015 #31
You're talking about bass players. DanTex Oct 2015 #32
He's got a nice smile Armstead Oct 2015 #13
I know, this isn't your first OP on it. artislife Oct 2015 #2
Keeping count? ronnykmarshall Oct 2015 #64
... artislife Oct 2015 #66
Oh that's so cute ..... ronnykmarshall Oct 2015 #69
and yet again...sadly artislife Oct 2015 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author ronnykmarshall Oct 2015 #73
Tsk tsk language... artislife Oct 2015 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author ronnykmarshall Oct 2015 #78
A certain select segment of DU has been posting about VP Castro for years, literally years. merrily Oct 2015 #128
You can't be more excited. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #3
heh! artislife Oct 2015 #6
the Texas democratic party printed these up Gothmog Oct 2015 #90
I hold very little doubt Time_Lord Oct 2015 #5
Wow! Anderson Cooper! No Kidding! nt Walk away Oct 2015 #104
I like him as well. Would be a formidable ticket. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #7
Wow. SheilaT Oct 2015 #8
You are assuming that Clinton will be the nominee. Not so fast. totodeinhere Oct 2015 #9
If you believe Sanders will be the nominee, you can get really great odds on this Gothmog Oct 2015 #93
Well, the 'smart' money has been against Sanders from the get-go. PatrickforO Oct 2015 #101
In states with 90+% white voters Gothmog Oct 2015 #115
He'll get a few university precincts in Austin okasha Oct 2015 #118
Yes, Sanders will get a few delegates in Senate Districts where he breaks 15% Gothmog Oct 2015 #138
Same in San Antonio. okasha Oct 2015 #139
Exactly! Didn't you see the poll? He has clinched this thing. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #103
Yes, if Clinton wins, Julian is it. joshcryer Oct 2015 #10
Why? Armstead Oct 2015 #11
Probably nothing jfern Oct 2015 #12
My wager is that Sanders quip was quid pro quo. joshcryer Oct 2015 #15
It was not a quip, it was an aggressive negative attack that was totally untrue. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #85
And you countered it with an untrue statement okasha Oct 2015 #111
As far as the record, yeah, not much there. joshcryer Oct 2015 #14
Well I guess I prefer unruly hair to carefully groomed coifs Armstead Oct 2015 #18
I prefer winning to anything else. DCBob Oct 2015 #19
I prefer winning with a reason bigger than blocking GOP and maintaining the status quo Armstead Oct 2015 #21
If that were a realistic option then yes. DCBob Oct 2015 #24
It is a realistic option. Armstead Oct 2015 #25
Its possible you might be right but I don't think we can take that chance. DCBob Oct 2015 #26
Only time will tell but here's how I see it Armstead Oct 2015 #27
if a party has to have large numbers of people restorefreedom Oct 2015 #22
To some maybe, he makes it harder for me to swallow that pill. n/t Autumn Oct 2015 #29
Really? NonMetro Oct 2015 #89
There are different kinds of people. joshcryer Oct 2015 #125
I see what you're talking about now. NonMetro Oct 2015 #137
"But I thought you were a yellow dog who would vote for any Democrat at all." merrily Oct 2015 #129
You are way ahead of yourself here. It is much too early to be so certain about totodeinhere Oct 2015 #16
I agree. I think he's going to be the veep candidate. nt sufrommich Oct 2015 #17
Totally agree. That is a near perfect ticket. DCBob Oct 2015 #20
It is as near a perfectly balanced ticket as possible, but Hillary is not a great top of the ticket. merrily Oct 2015 #130
I heard him speak last week Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #23
That would be interesting pinebox Oct 2015 #33
Oh, goody. okasha Oct 2015 #34
Nice pinebox Oct 2015 #36
Does the phrase "balanced ticket" okasha Oct 2015 #37
It is amazing that there are some on this board who dont get that simple concept. DCBob Oct 2015 #39
What's amazing pinebox Oct 2015 #43
Perhaps but that's the reality of the current electorate. DCBob Oct 2015 #46
It's not juzt that they want to die on that hill. okasha Oct 2015 #45
It would seem that way. DCBob Oct 2015 #47
Reality check pinebox Oct 2015 #42
The huge issue okasha Oct 2015 #44
People assume that just because VP is hispanic, hispanic voters will follow LettuceSea Oct 2015 #48
Yup pinebox Oct 2015 #53
I think its good to have diversity in our leadership.. dont you?? DCBob Oct 2015 #58
Is that your definition of diversity? LettuceSea Oct 2015 #59
Its a heluva alot more diverse that the Bernie and Jillie. DCBob Oct 2015 #67
Diversity = skin color is very 1990s LettuceSea Oct 2015 #73
What makes Bernie and Jill more diverse than Hillary and Julian? DCBob Oct 2015 #83
Based on your parameters, they aren't LettuceSea Oct 2015 #84
What diversity parameters would you suggest we use? DCBob Oct 2015 #96
This Latino DonCoquixote Oct 2015 #102
Julian Castro is no lightweight.. DCBob Oct 2015 #105
Uhmm, ,,the vast majority of Hispanics okasha Oct 2015 #112
Diversity is good pinebox Oct 2015 #62
With Clinton/Castro I think we have both diversity and strong candidates in touch with the people. DCBob Oct 2015 #68
Do you have some reason okasha Oct 2015 #72
"Get in line!" Yeah, that'll help LettuceSea Oct 2015 #75
Do you have an actual answer for the questions? okasha Oct 2015 #77
Your answer was "The establishment likes him so you better get in line and like him" LettuceSea Oct 2015 #79
Ah, reading problems. okasha Oct 2015 #81
What do you know, another condescending Clinton supporter LettuceSea Oct 2015 #82
And you're still dodging the question. okasha Oct 2015 #99
Nah, millennials. leftofcool Oct 2015 #98
What exactly makes him "highly qualified"? BlueStater Oct 2015 #94
See post 105. okasha Oct 2015 #110
That wasn't persuasive at all. BlueStater Oct 2015 #114
Those are both executive positions, okasha Oct 2015 #116
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #122
Oh, hai. okasha Oct 2015 #123
And that base has changed pinebox Oct 2015 #52
The only way I'd like to see Jill Stein as VP... SidDithers Oct 2015 #50
rofl pinebox Oct 2015 #54
I spoke to Jill a while back. RoccoR5955 Oct 2015 #61
Interesting pinebox Oct 2015 #65
OMALLEY Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #100
They look great together.. DCBob Oct 2015 #35
I had crab cakes for dinner. That was more exciting than this. BlueStater Oct 2015 #38
Been asking for years now and the answers seem to focus on "good looking", "is being groomed", TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #40
He's actually very productive - as mayor of SA TBF Oct 2015 #87
La raza was not "quite liberal. " okasha Oct 2015 #113
and still not him. Andrew Cuomo isn't Mario. Evan is not Birch Bayh. Ron Reagan isn't Ronald. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #136
He's excellent - TBF Oct 2015 #86
The wrong demographic is very excited LettuceSea Oct 2015 #41
Well considering that 97% of the Hispanic population loves this guy.............. leftofcool Oct 2015 #95
Is Clinton coming to speak to the San Antonio Hispanic Chamber of Commerce since Trump DhhD Oct 2015 #49
Hillary will speak at the event --oh and keep up with the news-she opposes the tppp riversedge Oct 2015 #56
DU rec...nt SidDithers Oct 2015 #51
I hope you are right. riversedge Oct 2015 #55
Couldn't agree more! MoonRiver Oct 2015 #57
"Meh" pretty much sums up my feelings about this tularetom Oct 2015 #60
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #63
Generalities don't play as well with Hispanic voters LettuceSea Oct 2015 #70
Lechugito, mijo, okasha Oct 2015 #80
ROFLMAO! leftofcool Oct 2015 #97
Incluso cubanos están políticamente divididos, particularmente a lo largo de líneas generacionales. ColesCountyDem Oct 2015 #133
Do you even know what the term Hispanic means?? DCBob Oct 2015 #107
do you know what a hispanic person is ? like asian it covers many groups including Cubans, Rubio and JI7 Oct 2015 #109
Julian Castro is only 3 years younger than Rubio - TBF Oct 2015 #88
Having more charisma than Rubio is not a difficult task Gothmog Oct 2015 #91
Right - TBF Oct 2015 #92
We are talking the water guzzling flopsweat guy here. His isn't exactly Washington or Clooney TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #117
I have thought it since I saw him MFM008 Oct 2015 #106
Julian Castro would be a HORRIBLE pick that would speak ill of Clinton's judgment Proud Public Servant Oct 2015 #108
Who is Juan Castro? okasha Oct 2015 #119
My brain fart Proud Public Servant Oct 2015 #121
I'll take door #1 840high Oct 2015 #120
Julian would be a demographic pick for a long term path. joshcryer Oct 2015 #126
We all saw this coming when Obama appointed him HUD Sec in 2014. Good choice--for her. merrily Oct 2015 #124
I feel like I'm entering Bizarro Land here. BlueStater Oct 2015 #131
Very obviously, I don't think Hillary should be the nominee in the first place. merrily Oct 2015 #132
+1. I agree in post 108 (nt) Proud Public Servant Oct 2015 #134
ah ha azurnoir Oct 2015 #127
The first woman and first Latino would be formidable. WI_DEM Oct 2015 #135
I think it depends on how the race looks next summer. If the race looks close then she might totodeinhere Oct 2015 #140
 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
31. Drummers are people who hang out with musicians!
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 12:08 PM
Oct 2015

Why do guitarists put drumsticks on the dash of their car?
So they can park in the handicapped spot.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
32. You're talking about bass players.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 12:14 PM
Oct 2015

So two guys are stranded on an island, and they find a tribesman who's gonna lead them to shelter. The whole time there's a drum beat in the background, and they're wondering what it is. Suddenly the drum beat stops and the tribesman starts to panic and freak out.

They ask, What's going on? Is there a fire or something? What does it mean when the drum stops?

The tribesman says, it's much worse than that. When the drum beat stops, that's when there bass solo starts!

Response to artislife (Reply #71)

Response to artislife (Reply #76)

merrily

(45,251 posts)
128. A certain select segment of DU has been posting about VP Castro for years, literally years.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 04:52 AM
Oct 2015

And in 2014, he got appointed to a federal position, which gives him national cred that his position as Mayor did not.

Draw whatever conclusions you will.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
6. heh!
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:30 PM
Oct 2015

I think if we asked him/her to name 10 things about Castro without using the internet, they would have a hard time. I would even spot them the fact that he has a brother who is in politics.



I finally had to hide another prolific if rather rambly noted prolific OP writer. Just got bored. I hope I don't have to do it again..

 

Time_Lord

(60 posts)
5. I hold very little doubt
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:29 PM
Oct 2015

that Clinton will be nominated. Just watch on Tuesday and really, really decide if you want that for your candidate or not.

She's already flip-flopped and will be called upon on it by Anderson Cooper.

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
93. If you believe Sanders will be the nominee, you can get really great odds on this
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 02:56 PM
Oct 2015

The bookies and odd makers have Biden ahead of Sanders and he is not even in the race

PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
101. Well, the 'smart' money has been against Sanders from the get-go.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:03 PM
Oct 2015

Yet he's still gaining supporters.

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
115. In states with 90+% white voters
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:32 PM
Oct 2015

So far Sanders is not doing well in Super Tuesday states. Texas has almost three times the number of delegates as New Hampshire and Iowa combined. It will be interesting to see if Sanders gets many delegates in Texas while Hillary Clinton will get close to half of the delegates in Iowa and New Hampshire

okasha

(11,573 posts)
118. He'll get a few university precincts in Austin
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:37 PM
Oct 2015

and the rich, white burbs around Dallas.

Hillary can spare them.

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
138. Yes, Sanders will get a few delegates in Senate Districts where he breaks 15%
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 12:26 PM
Oct 2015

The strong democratic districts in Harris County will require Sanders to do well with African American and/or Latino voters.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
103. Exactly! Didn't you see the poll? He has clinched this thing.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:40 PM
Oct 2015

He is ahead in all 50 states. He is measuring the drapes as we "speak."

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
10. Yes, if Clinton wins, Julian is it.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 01:42 AM
Oct 2015

It should also allow a lot of liberals to swallow the pill and vote for Clinton.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
12. Probably nothing
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 01:48 AM
Oct 2015

If he's similar to his brother, who has a relatively conservative voting record, and pants on fire lied about whether Sanders had campaigned in Texas while he was race-baiting.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
85. It was not a quip, it was an aggressive negative attack that was totally untrue.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 02:34 PM
Oct 2015

It was Joaquin, not Julian but it was also a lie and not a quip. A quip is a witty remark, not a blatantly false criticism. Joaquin does not seem honorable to me.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
111. And you countered it with an untrue statement
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:59 PM
Oct 2015

that Hillary has not visited Texas at all this season. She'd already given a major speech (voting rights) in Houston and been to McAllen for an organizing meeting.

Look in the mirror, dude.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
14. As far as the record, yeah, not much there.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 02:06 AM
Oct 2015

But the campaign hasn't even started. If Obama taught us one thing it's how to do mass media messaging, and Julian would be, if he accepts and Clinton wins, very carefully honed to that image.

I think a lot of the "cred" would come from Rosie Castro's real world activism and that's where the imaging would come in.

Let me be clear here, I think that Julian Castro is basically the most groomed candidate I've ever seen in my life and I'd be surprised if he wasn't picked if Clinton won. The guy pretty much has run the gambit of the political sphere, was a White House intern in Bill Clinton's tenure, was a mayor three consecutive terms, youngest cabinet member in Obama's administration.

Go back and watch his 2012 DNC speech. It's all by design.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
24. If that were a realistic option then yes.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 11:19 AM
Oct 2015

In our current situation the GOP is breathing down our necks and have the media nearly totally on their side. We need the best possible candidates to counter their advantages. If they take full control of this country it will get very very ugly.. much uglier than the current "status quo". Hillary and Julian are our best team to win this.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
25. It is a realistic option.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 11:25 AM
Oct 2015

Another way of looking at it that 1)the GOP are going so far down Crazy St. that they are undermining their own chances. 2) Many voters (not just crazy progressives) are tired of slick corporate candidates who have succeeded by playing the game that is screwing average people.

Nothing is certain from either angle, but the GOP has been a major threat ever since Nixon. At sie time we've got to stop the 3rd Way holding action against them.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
26. Its possible you might be right but I don't think we can take that chance.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 11:28 AM
Oct 2015

I am convinced Hillary is our best bet and we cannot afford to take any sort of chance of losing.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
27. Only time will tell but here's how I see it
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 11:37 AM
Oct 2015

If it's Hillary against one of the GOPers packaged as a "moderate centrist conservative fresh face" (o.e. Kaisak, Rubio) or one of the Establishment candidates (Bush) then it's quite possible the electorate will follow the familiar pattern of opting for a change from the party that has held the WH and vote Republican.

If the GOP goes for one of the Krazy Train candidates, the Democrats could nominate Mickey Mouse and win.

Unless he screws up, I think Sanders could well have broad appeal, plus the notion of positive change, to win under either scenario.

But if either of us knew for certain, we could make a fortune as political soothsayers with a money back guarantee.





restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
22. if a party has to have large numbers of people
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 11:09 AM
Oct 2015

"swallow a pill" to vote for their nominee, that party has the wrong nominee.

i don't plan on holding my nose. never again.

but it won't matter anyway, cuz she will never be the nom

NonMetro

(631 posts)
89. Really?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 02:52 PM
Oct 2015

Well, I guess since a lot of liberals have already swallowed "the pill" to support HRC in the first place, this second one should go down easier?

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
125. There are different kinds of people.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 04:05 AM
Oct 2015

I was speaking of liberal idealist. Yes most liberals would vote for and support the nominee. Some "purists" would continue attacking her until election day. They did that to Obama in 2012.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
129. "But I thought you were a yellow dog who would vote for any Democrat at all."
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 04:56 AM
Oct 2015

"Not in the primary."

totodeinhere

(13,034 posts)
16. You are way ahead of yourself here. It is much too early to be so certain about
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 11:00 AM
Oct 2015

any potential VP nominee, especially since we don't have a presidential nominee yet.

But if Clinton is the nominee, I doubt if she herself even knows at this point who her VP pick will be. A lot will depend on the mood of the country next summer and how the campaign progresses between now and then. And since the Republicans go first, a lot will depend on who is on their ticket. Yes Castro is a good possibility but certainly not a lock. I would guess that right now the Clinton campaign has a pretty long list of possibilities, which probably also includes one or more African Americans.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
130. It is as near a perfectly balanced ticket as possible, but Hillary is not a great top of the ticket.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 04:58 AM
Oct 2015
 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
33. That would be interesting
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 01:12 PM
Oct 2015

But a counter punch would be Dr Jill Stein to be VP for Bernie who is running for the Green Party. That would weigh that out pretty darn evenly. Check this out.



okasha

(11,573 posts)
34. Oh, goody.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 06:39 PM
Oct 2015

A lily-white Democratic ticket on which neither the presidential nor the VP candidate is a Democrat.

Not. Going. To. Happen.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
36. Nice
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 08:44 PM
Oct 2015

You say it's not going to happen? Because they're white? Please check your racism at the door. Yeah they said the same thing about an AA winning the white house too lol
You keep thinking that while America sees BOTH parties as bullshit. Stein's policies are closely aligned with Sanders. Perhaps even more so than Warren's.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
37. Does the phrase "balanced ticket"
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 11:04 PM
Oct 2015

register with you at all? Does the fact that a very large proportion of the Democratic base are people of color get through to you?

It gets worse. Sanders and Stein are both northeasterners and both Jewish. Sanders would need a southern or western Christian running mate, preferably Hispanic or AA.

You may now launch into a tirade about anti-Semitism.



DCBob

(24,689 posts)
39. It is amazing that there are some on this board who dont get that simple concept.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:49 AM
Oct 2015

Blinded by their quest for pristine ideology.. I presume.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
43. What's amazing
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:19 PM
Oct 2015

is that people aren't able to look past the color of someone's skin and see what candidates truly represent. Flat out sad.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
46. Perhaps but that's the reality of the current electorate.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:39 PM
Oct 2015

Last edited Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:14 PM - Edit history (1)

However, that being said what's wrong with diversity in our leadership? Seems like a good thing to me.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
45. It's not juzt that they want to die on that hill.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:27 PM
Oct 2015

It's that they want everybody else to die on that hill, too.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
42. Reality check
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:18 PM
Oct 2015

Balanced ticket? Sure it does but let's be honest shall we?
If all you're doing is basing things on someone's color of skin then you may want to check your ideals and wind up supporting Ben Carson for POTUS. Sorry BUT there are far far FAR greater issues in this race than simply someone's color of skin. Real issues. Huge issues. Nice way to project about anti-semitism lol Hilarious, coming from someone who says color of skin is a huge matter. You know what? I don't give a flying fuck what color of skin someone is as long as they represent me and what I seek in a candidate. It's also hilarious that you slam both of them for being northeast Jews. Pathetic. Never mind the fact that Sanders is actually an atheist lol
Herman Cain called, he's looking for his lost Clinton supporter.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
44. The huge issue
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:24 PM
Oct 2015

in this election is getting a Democrat elected. Everything else flows from that.

Getting a Democrat elected means turning out the Democratic base. End of story.

LettuceSea

(337 posts)
48. People assume that just because VP is hispanic, hispanic voters will follow
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:54 PM
Oct 2015

I'm sure they have zero ability to recognize pandering.

My god the establishment is out of touch.

LettuceSea

(337 posts)
59. Is that your definition of diversity?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:23 PM
Oct 2015

I'm sure Hispanics won't care that he doesn't...uh...speak Spanish.

Do you guys really think you can shove that down their throats?

I encourage you guys to leave the country club every now and then.

LettuceSea

(337 posts)
73. Diversity = skin color is very 1990s
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:54 PM
Oct 2015

If the majority of HRC supporters are taking that simplistic line of thinking, we're going to be humbled in 2016.

LettuceSea

(337 posts)
84. Based on your parameters, they aren't
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 02:22 PM
Oct 2015

But many of us think it's silly and out of touch that we should only use those parameters to determine our 'best' ticket. Our voting base is MUCH smarter than that.



DonCoquixote

(13,615 posts)
102. This Latino
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:31 PM
Oct 2015

see Castro as a lightweight, especially as there are plenty of Latinos that could fill the bill better than a flunky.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
105. Julian Castro is no lightweight..
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:18 PM
Oct 2015

Here are some of his accomplishments:

-- Thomas Jefferson High School. Graduated in 3 years and was ranked 9th in his class. SAT 1210.
-- Stanford University graduate
-- Harvard Law School graduate.
-- Akin Gump Associate.
-- Started own law firm.
-- Mayor of San Antonio. 7th most populous city in America. Youngest sitting mayor at the time.
-- Secretary of the US Department of the Housing and Urban Development.
-- Youngest member of President Obama's Cabinet.

And was raised by a single mother, Rosie Castro, who during the ’70s, was among the leaders of the La Raza Unida movement, which was dedicated to defending the civil rights of Mexican-Americans and promoting a strong Chicano identity.

I think all that qualifies him as a decent candidate for VP.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
112. Uhmm, ,,the vast majority of Hispanics
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:04 PM
Oct 2015

in the US speak English. I suggest you drop the stereotypes right now.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
62. Diversity is good
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:37 PM
Oct 2015

However I think it's even better to have truly strong candidates who are in touch with the people as a whole.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
68. With Clinton/Castro I think we have both diversity and strong candidates in touch with the people.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:46 PM
Oct 2015

okasha

(11,573 posts)
72. Do you have some reason
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:54 PM
Oct 2015

to oppose a highly qualified Hispanic candidate who is also highly charismatic and has the support of the Texas Democratic Party?

Or do you just not like Democrats and the Democratic Party?

LettuceSea

(337 posts)
79. Your answer was "The establishment likes him so you better get in line and like him"
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 02:01 PM
Oct 2015

Do you think that is worthy of a response?

okasha

(11,573 posts)
99. And you're still dodging the question.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 05:00 PM
Oct 2015

You might want to consider that millenials and their children will bear the brunt of Republican pollicies and court decisions should you choose to sit on your hands and pout because your greatest concern is ideological purity.



BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
94. What exactly makes him "highly qualified"?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 03:06 PM
Oct 2015

Mayor and HUD Secretary? Really? That's the sweeping resume we're looking for in someone first in line to the presidency?

okasha

(11,573 posts)
110. See post 105.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:52 PM
Oct 2015

Jill Stein's resume consists of losing every election she's run in except for town council.

Well, mayor of SA rates considerably above mayor of Burlington. San Antonio is a large, rather fractious multicultural city that is, outside the gated communities, only very slightly less weird than Austin. I love the place. Nowhere else will the reservations desk in a luxury hotel ask you whether you want a room in the haunted wing or the more modern addition. Not to mention having once featured a juvenile alligator in a pool in the lobby.


BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
114. That wasn't persuasive at all.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:19 PM
Oct 2015

For a vice presidential candidate, his resume is extremely weak and the arguments for why he should be Vice President are weak too. Mayor and HUD Secretary are credentials a VP does not make. If Hillary is stupid enough to pick him should she get the nomination, he'll be one of the least qualified VP candidates in history.

And I wasn't talking about Jill Stein. I don't even know who she is.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
116. Those are both executive positions,
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:33 PM
Oct 2015

as is the presidency. Both are geared toward addressing urban and poverty issues, two subjects high on the to-do list for a Democratic administration.

Response to okasha (Reply #110)

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
52. And that base has changed
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:01 PM
Oct 2015

Drastically. It's NOT 1980 anymore. Issues have changed a lot and the base includes many new people who are more concerned with the cost of student loans and education. Is immigration and BLM issues a concern? Sure. However as I already said, you may as well vote for Ben Carson then. People decide who stands to best represent them. Keep in mind that along with all that, it takes a lot more than just the dem base to show up, it takes indy voters like myself who happen to be the largest voting block in all of America.
Without that, dems lose even if the base shows up.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
50. The only way I'd like to see Jill Stein as VP...
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:55 PM
Oct 2015

is if she were running with Al Franken.

Just imagine the bumper stickers.

Sid

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
61. I spoke to Jill a while back.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:35 PM
Oct 2015

She has no plans to work with Congress, and does not know how she will get on the ballot in all 50 states. She does not believe that the Green Party should work on getting members in Congress and Senate before electing a president.
She would never get my vote for these reasons alone!

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
65. Interesting
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:40 PM
Oct 2015

because I've heard quite the opposite. I like her stances on the issues and it would be nice to see another outsider to join Sanders who people can relate to. Other than Warren, I'm not really sure who Bernie would tap as a VP nominee.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
38. I had crab cakes for dinner. That was more exciting than this.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:20 AM
Oct 2015

Seriously, what's so great about this damn guy and how is he remotely prepared to be Vice President? I'm just not seeing it.

TheKentuckian

(24,943 posts)
40. Been asking for years now and the answers seem to focus on "good looking", "is being groomed",
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:40 AM
Oct 2015

"mother was quite liberal", and "Hispanic".

If pressed beyond this then the standard response is accusations of "purity".

TBF

(31,921 posts)
87. He's actually very productive - as mayor of SA
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 02:47 PM
Oct 2015

(San Antonio) he brought many manufacturing jobs to the city and gave the developers on the west side a run for their money. His grandmother was the immigrant, his mother (single mom) is an activist. I've been a fan for awhile but I'm pretty pissed at his brother for his lies about Bernie. I know where it's coming from though because Clinton was visiting Julian a couple of years ago already in preparation for this run (I think it's back in Dec. of 2013 in my journal - he had a pic on his Facebook page of them meeting).

The only question is why Hillary would need him when she already has the current Latino vote in TX tied up. Unless it is the pick of the party because he's a future presidential candidate, and a hispanic pick to guard against Rubio or Bush as candidates. He's 40 - and yes he is most definitely being groomed. The big factors are his charisma and his age. By the time he's 55-60 he is definitely the guy to watch because that is when demographics in TX will also be in line for a blue Texas.

TheKentuckian

(24,943 posts)
136. and still not him. Andrew Cuomo isn't Mario. Evan is not Birch Bayh. Ron Reagan isn't Ronald.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 09:17 AM
Oct 2015

Castro himself does not come off as radical, quite liberal, somewhat liberal, or indeed anything but another establishment approved and groomed "centrist".

I'm not getting restrained radical from the brother either so maybe the apples fell a little further from the tree than some are willing to admit.

TBF

(31,921 posts)
86. He's excellent -
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 02:41 PM
Oct 2015

very popular ex-mayor of San Antonio who is now heading HUD.

I wish he were partnered with Bernie because he is indeed a great candidate for the dems.

LettuceSea

(337 posts)
41. The wrong demographic is very excited
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:53 AM
Oct 2015

This pick seems to excite a lot of white collar, 40-60 year old democrats.

Don't be surprised when this VP pick doesn't have the effect you guys expect.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
95. Well considering that 97% of the Hispanic population loves this guy..............
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 03:50 PM
Oct 2015

Don't you be surprised that the outcome is exactly what the Hispanic people want.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
49. Is Clinton coming to speak to the San Antonio Hispanic Chamber of Commerce since Trump
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:55 PM
Oct 2015

decided not to come to Texas last week? Is the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce backing the working poor of Texas? Do the working poor of Texas support Hillary Clinton after she worked to privatize the Mexican national oil industry (2012) in which the oil workers were moved out of the way so PEMA could be controlled by the Mexican 1%. Clinton's team, who worked on the privatization, went through a revolving door, according to many media sources. Mexicans demonstrate all the time on the devastation brought by US trade agreements. Workers in both countries are very against the TPP and other T-trade agreements between corporations around the world. Please feel free to research this well known fact. Workers, working in both countries, have friends, family, neighbors, teachers, clergy and many others who know what is going on.

I think that Castro should run for president on his own, to show who his supporters are and what they represent, then he would be a real viable VP source, in my opinion.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
57. Couldn't agree more!
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:11 PM
Oct 2015

And if Rubio isn't their nominee, whichever cretin they pick will undoubtedly choose an Hispanic VP.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
60. "Meh" pretty much sums up my feelings about this
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:28 PM
Oct 2015

We haven't even had a debate yet, it's way early to be talking about VP nominees.

Response to Godhumor (Original post)

LettuceSea

(337 posts)
70. Generalities don't play as well with Hispanic voters
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:50 PM
Oct 2015

It's not like the Hispanic vote is this monolithic bloc that will see Julian's smile and go, "HE'S THE ONE!!! WE MUST VOTE FOR A HISPANIC OVER THE CUBAN!!!"

As silly as that sounds, I get the impression that there are a lot of white, well-educated, well-off Democratic voters who assume that's what they're gonna do without much resistance. They won't admit it, because it demonstrates how out of touch they are with the real world and real voters.



ColesCountyDem

(6,943 posts)
133. Incluso cubanos están políticamente divididos, particularmente a lo largo de líneas generacionales.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 07:15 AM
Oct 2015

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
107. Do you even know what the term Hispanic means??
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:26 PM
Oct 2015

Clearly you don't from a comment in your post above.

JI7

(89,174 posts)
109. do you know what a hispanic person is ? like asian it covers many groups including Cubans, Rubio and
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:26 PM
Oct 2015

Castro are both hispanics.

TBF

(31,921 posts)
88. Julian Castro is only 3 years younger than Rubio -
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 02:51 PM
Oct 2015

and he has a lot more charisma than Rubio. I think he could take him on his own, rather than pair him with Hillary. That's what I was hoping would happen. That Julian would step up and run. But no one was brave enough to take on Hillary besides Bernie. (I know Martin O'Malley is running but my view is that he is jockeying for VP).

TheKentuckian

(24,943 posts)
117. We are talking the water guzzling flopsweat guy here. His isn't exactly Washington or Clooney
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:35 PM
Oct 2015

I guess if you are talking a comparison to Jindal, Kaisch, or Walker then there is a point but still seemingly a nearly flat one.

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
108. Julian Castro would be a HORRIBLE pick that would speak ill of Clinton's judgment
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:37 PM
Oct 2015

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Castro has no real governing experience. None. The real power in San Antonio's government rests with their city manager; the mayor is a figurehead whose executive powers would make most European monarchs laugh. And HUD? Leaving aside the fact that the Obama White House has curtailed even the limited autonomy cabinet secretaries are used to (with the exception of Justice, which they've allowed to run amok), it's not like HUD is awash in recent accomplishments.

Here's a true fact: Sarah Palin had more executive and governing experience in 2008 than Castro will have in 2016. Castro's smarter than Palin, but his nomination would be more reminiscent hers than of any VP nominee, in either party, in living memory.

So if Castro ends up as the nominee, count on it reflecting only two things:

1) The Clinton's are cynical, calculating politicians without peer, and they're more than willing to put an underqualified running mate a heartbeat (or blot clot, in Hillary's case) away from the presidency solely -- and it will be solely -- because of his ethnicity; and

2) The Democratic Party is so incredibly bad at recruiting and sustaining talent that it can find no one from its fastest-growing and arguably most important demographic to run credibly as vice president. The fact that the GOP has a likely Hispanic presidential nominee in the offing and a plausible Hispanic veep (Susana Martinez) as a back-up, while we've got no one comparable, should shame our whole party.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
126. Julian would be a demographic pick for a long term path.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 04:17 AM
Oct 2015

To keep the Democrats in power until 2032.

His experience would very much be a sticking point. But playing that against the Hispanic vote would be very risky. The way campaigns are run now are as mass media events. As long as he comes off as intelligent, which he can and will, it's not that big of a deal to todays voters.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
131. I feel like I'm entering Bizarro Land here.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 05:40 AM
Oct 2015

A 42 year old upstart with minimal (and I mean *minimal*) executive experience being first in line to the presidency behind a nearly 70 year old woman with some recent health problems. And many people here seem to think this is a good idea.

All I can do is just shake my head.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
135. The first woman and first Latino would be formidable.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 08:56 AM
Oct 2015

Plus she needs a younger exciting running mate.

totodeinhere

(13,034 posts)
140. I think it depends on how the race looks next summer. If the race looks close then she might
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 02:36 PM
Oct 2015

be forced to pick someone from a swing state who could put her over the top in that state. But if it's obvious she is going to win then she can pick whomever she wants. The problem with Castro is he is from Texas and she will probably lose Texas with him on the ticket or not.

And since the Republican convention is first she will know exactly who is on their ticket. And that might influence her VP pick.

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