2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo, I now have very little doubt that Julian Castro will be Clinton's VP nominee
And I can't be more excited.
His endorsement of Clinton coming next week is just the next step in making that ticket happen, and it is perfect. One of the bright young stars in the Democratic party gets to position himself for his own eventual run, his addition to the ticket effectively negates Rubio's demographic strength (if he is nominated) and it gives an incredible northern/southern balance for the general election.
This was the endorsement I was waiting for. Next year's convention is going to be a blast.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)I never fail to miss at least one angle.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)Why do guitarists put drumsticks on the dash of their car?
So they can park in the handicapped spot.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)So two guys are stranded on an island, and they find a tribesman who's gonna lead them to shelter. The whole time there's a drum beat in the background, and they're wondering what it is. Suddenly the drum beat stops and the tribesman starts to panic and freak out.
They ask, What's going on? Is there a fire or something? What does it mean when the drum stops?
The tribesman says, it's much worse than that. When the drum beat stops, that's when there bass solo starts!
Armstead
(47,803 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)ronnykmarshall
(35,356 posts)No one is hold a gun to your mouse to read them.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Your point
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ronnykmarshall
(35,356 posts)artislife
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merrily
(45,251 posts)And in 2014, he got appointed to a federal position, which gives him national cred that his position as Mayor did not.
Draw whatever conclusions you will.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Sheltered life?
artislife
(9,497 posts)I think if we asked him/her to name 10 things about Castro without using the internet, they would have a hard time. I would even spot them the fact that he has a brother who is in politics.
I finally had to hide another prolific if rather rambly noted prolific OP writer. Just got bored. I hope I don't have to do it again..
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)I got my sticker almost two years ago
Time_Lord
(60 posts)that Clinton will be nominated. Just watch on Tuesday and really, really decide if you want that for your candidate or not.
She's already flip-flopped and will be called upon on it by Anderson Cooper.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Has Hillary been nominated? How did I miss that piece of news?
totodeinhere
(13,034 posts)n/t
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)The bookies and odd makers have Biden ahead of Sanders and he is not even in the race
PatrickforO
(14,516 posts)Yet he's still gaining supporters.
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)So far Sanders is not doing well in Super Tuesday states. Texas has almost three times the number of delegates as New Hampshire and Iowa combined. It will be interesting to see if Sanders gets many delegates in Texas while Hillary Clinton will get close to half of the delegates in Iowa and New Hampshire
okasha
(11,573 posts)and the rich, white burbs around Dallas.
Hillary can spare them.
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)The strong democratic districts in Harris County will require Sanders to do well with African American and/or Latino voters.
okasha
(11,573 posts)I seriously doubt he'll get anything from SA south.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)He is ahead in all 50 states. He is measuring the drapes as we "speak."
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)It should also allow a lot of liberals to swallow the pill and vote for Clinton.
He seems to be okay, but not very inspiring from a liberal standpoint. What am I missing?
jfern
(5,204 posts)If he's similar to his brother, who has a relatively conservative voting record, and pants on fire lied about whether Sanders had campaigned in Texas while he was race-baiting.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)It's not like he'd get handed the VP pick.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)It was Joaquin, not Julian but it was also a lie and not a quip. A quip is a witty remark, not a blatantly false criticism. Joaquin does not seem honorable to me.
okasha
(11,573 posts)that Hillary has not visited Texas at all this season. She'd already given a major speech (voting rights) in Houston and been to McAllen for an organizing meeting.
Look in the mirror, dude.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)But the campaign hasn't even started. If Obama taught us one thing it's how to do mass media messaging, and Julian would be, if he accepts and Clinton wins, very carefully honed to that image.
I think a lot of the "cred" would come from Rosie Castro's real world activism and that's where the imaging would come in.
Let me be clear here, I think that Julian Castro is basically the most groomed candidate I've ever seen in my life and I'd be surprised if he wasn't picked if Clinton won. The guy pretty much has run the gambit of the political sphere, was a White House intern in Bill Clinton's tenure, was a mayor three consecutive terms, youngest cabinet member in Obama's administration.
Go back and watch his 2012 DNC speech. It's all by design.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Clinton/Castro is a winner.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)In our current situation the GOP is breathing down our necks and have the media nearly totally on their side. We need the best possible candidates to counter their advantages. If they take full control of this country it will get very very ugly.. much uglier than the current "status quo". Hillary and Julian are our best team to win this.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Another way of looking at it that 1)the GOP are going so far down Crazy St. that they are undermining their own chances. 2) Many voters (not just crazy progressives) are tired of slick corporate candidates who have succeeded by playing the game that is screwing average people.
Nothing is certain from either angle, but the GOP has been a major threat ever since Nixon. At sie time we've got to stop the 3rd Way holding action against them.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I am convinced Hillary is our best bet and we cannot afford to take any sort of chance of losing.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)If it's Hillary against one of the GOPers packaged as a "moderate centrist conservative fresh face" (o.e. Kaisak, Rubio) or one of the Establishment candidates (Bush) then it's quite possible the electorate will follow the familiar pattern of opting for a change from the party that has held the WH and vote Republican.
If the GOP goes for one of the Krazy Train candidates, the Democrats could nominate Mickey Mouse and win.
Unless he screws up, I think Sanders could well have broad appeal, plus the notion of positive change, to win under either scenario.
But if either of us knew for certain, we could make a fortune as political soothsayers with a money back guarantee.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)"swallow a pill" to vote for their nominee, that party has the wrong nominee.
i don't plan on holding my nose. never again.
but it won't matter anyway, cuz she will never be the nom
Autumn
(44,755 posts)Well, I guess since a lot of liberals have already swallowed "the pill" to support HRC in the first place, this second one should go down easier?
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)I was speaking of liberal idealist. Yes most liberals would vote for and support the nominee. Some "purists" would continue attacking her until election day. They did that to Obama in 2012.
NonMetro
(631 posts)Thanks! And I think you're right, too!
merrily
(45,251 posts)"Not in the primary."
totodeinhere
(13,034 posts)any potential VP nominee, especially since we don't have a presidential nominee yet.
But if Clinton is the nominee, I doubt if she herself even knows at this point who her VP pick will be. A lot will depend on the mood of the country next summer and how the campaign progresses between now and then. And since the Republicans go first, a lot will depend on who is on their ticket. Yes Castro is a good possibility but certainly not a lock. I would guess that right now the Clinton campaign has a pretty long list of possibilities, which probably also includes one or more African Americans.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)It be very very tough for the GOPers to match that.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)but wasn't particularly impressed.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)But a counter punch would be Dr Jill Stein to be VP for Bernie who is running for the Green Party. That would weigh that out pretty darn evenly. Check this out.
okasha
(11,573 posts)A lily-white Democratic ticket on which neither the presidential nor the VP candidate is a Democrat.
Not. Going. To. Happen.
You say it's not going to happen? Because they're white? Please check your racism at the door. Yeah they said the same thing about an AA winning the white house too lol
You keep thinking that while America sees BOTH parties as bullshit. Stein's policies are closely aligned with Sanders. Perhaps even more so than Warren's.
okasha
(11,573 posts)register with you at all? Does the fact that a very large proportion of the Democratic base are people of color get through to you?
It gets worse. Sanders and Stein are both northeasterners and both Jewish. Sanders would need a southern or western Christian running mate, preferably Hispanic or AA.
You may now launch into a tirade about anti-Semitism.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Blinded by their quest for pristine ideology.. I presume.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)is that people aren't able to look past the color of someone's skin and see what candidates truly represent. Flat out sad.
DCBob
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However, that being said what's wrong with diversity in our leadership? Seems like a good thing to me.
okasha
(11,573 posts)It's that they want everybody else to die on that hill, too.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Balanced ticket? Sure it does but let's be honest shall we?
If all you're doing is basing things on someone's color of skin then you may want to check your ideals and wind up supporting Ben Carson for POTUS. Sorry BUT there are far far FAR greater issues in this race than simply someone's color of skin. Real issues. Huge issues. Nice way to project about anti-semitism lol Hilarious, coming from someone who says color of skin is a huge matter. You know what? I don't give a flying fuck what color of skin someone is as long as they represent me and what I seek in a candidate. It's also hilarious that you slam both of them for being northeast Jews. Pathetic. Never mind the fact that Sanders is actually an atheist lol
Herman Cain called, he's looking for his lost Clinton supporter.
okasha
(11,573 posts)in this election is getting a Democrat elected. Everything else flows from that.
Getting a Democrat elected means turning out the Democratic base. End of story.
LettuceSea
(337 posts)I'm sure they have zero ability to recognize pandering.
My god the establishment is out of touch.
n/t
DCBob
(24,689 posts)LettuceSea
(337 posts)I'm sure Hispanics won't care that he doesn't...uh...speak Spanish.
Do you guys really think you can shove that down their throats?
I encourage you guys to leave the country club every now and then.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)BTW, I don't go to country clubs.
LettuceSea
(337 posts)If the majority of HRC supporters are taking that simplistic line of thinking, we're going to be humbled in 2016.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)LettuceSea
(337 posts)But many of us think it's silly and out of touch that we should only use those parameters to determine our 'best' ticket. Our voting base is MUCH smarter than that.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,615 posts)see Castro as a lightweight, especially as there are plenty of Latinos that could fill the bill better than a flunky.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Here are some of his accomplishments:
-- Thomas Jefferson High School. Graduated in 3 years and was ranked 9th in his class. SAT 1210.
-- Stanford University graduate
-- Harvard Law School graduate.
-- Akin Gump Associate.
-- Started own law firm.
-- Mayor of San Antonio. 7th most populous city in America. Youngest sitting mayor at the time.
-- Secretary of the US Department of the Housing and Urban Development.
-- Youngest member of President Obama's Cabinet.
And was raised by a single mother, Rosie Castro, who during the 70s, was among the leaders of the La Raza Unida movement, which was dedicated to defending the civil rights of Mexican-Americans and promoting a strong Chicano identity.
I think all that qualifies him as a decent candidate for VP.
okasha
(11,573 posts)in the US speak English. I suggest you drop the stereotypes right now.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)However I think it's even better to have truly strong candidates who are in touch with the people as a whole.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)to oppose a highly qualified Hispanic candidate who is also highly charismatic and has the support of the Texas Democratic Party?
Or do you just not like Democrats and the Democratic Party?
LettuceSea
(337 posts)That only works for the older generations. Sorry.
okasha
(11,573 posts)LettuceSea
(337 posts)Do you think that is worthy of a response?
okasha
(11,573 posts)Sorry, I didn't realize.
LettuceSea
(337 posts)I'm sure that'll play well.
okasha
(11,573 posts)You might want to consider that millenials and their children will bear the brunt of Republican pollicies and court decisions should you choose to sit on your hands and pout because your greatest concern is ideological purity.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)BlueStater
(7,596 posts)Mayor and HUD Secretary? Really? That's the sweeping resume we're looking for in someone first in line to the presidency?
okasha
(11,573 posts)Jill Stein's resume consists of losing every election she's run in except for town council.
Well, mayor of SA rates considerably above mayor of Burlington. San Antonio is a large, rather fractious multicultural city that is, outside the gated communities, only very slightly less weird than Austin. I love the place. Nowhere else will the reservations desk in a luxury hotel ask you whether you want a room in the haunted wing or the more modern addition. Not to mention having once featured a juvenile alligator in a pool in the lobby.
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)For a vice presidential candidate, his resume is extremely weak and the arguments for why he should be Vice President are weak too. Mayor and HUD Secretary are credentials a VP does not make. If Hillary is stupid enough to pick him should she get the nomination, he'll be one of the least qualified VP candidates in history.
And I wasn't talking about Jill Stein. I don't even know who she is.
okasha
(11,573 posts)as is the presidency. Both are geared toward addressing urban and poverty issues, two subjects high on the to-do list for a Democratic administration.
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okasha
(11,573 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Drastically. It's NOT 1980 anymore. Issues have changed a lot and the base includes many new people who are more concerned with the cost of student loans and education. Is immigration and BLM issues a concern? Sure. However as I already said, you may as well vote for Ben Carson then. People decide who stands to best represent them. Keep in mind that along with all that, it takes a lot more than just the dem base to show up, it takes indy voters like myself who happen to be the largest voting block in all of America.
Without that, dems lose even if the base shows up.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)is if she were running with Al Franken.
Just imagine the bumper stickers.
Sid
That would be gold
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)She has no plans to work with Congress, and does not know how she will get on the ballot in all 50 states. She does not believe that the Green Party should work on getting members in Congress and Senate before electing a president.
She would never get my vote for these reasons alone!
pinebox
(5,761 posts)because I've heard quite the opposite. I like her stances on the issues and it would be nice to see another outsider to join Sanders who people can relate to. Other than Warren, I'm not really sure who Bernie would tap as a VP nominee.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)BlueStater
(7,596 posts)Seriously, what's so great about this damn guy and how is he remotely prepared to be Vice President? I'm just not seeing it.
TheKentuckian
(24,943 posts)"mother was quite liberal", and "Hispanic".
If pressed beyond this then the standard response is accusations of "purity".
TBF
(31,921 posts)(San Antonio) he brought many manufacturing jobs to the city and gave the developers on the west side a run for their money. His grandmother was the immigrant, his mother (single mom) is an activist. I've been a fan for awhile but I'm pretty pissed at his brother for his lies about Bernie. I know where it's coming from though because Clinton was visiting Julian a couple of years ago already in preparation for this run (I think it's back in Dec. of 2013 in my journal - he had a pic on his Facebook page of them meeting).
The only question is why Hillary would need him when she already has the current Latino vote in TX tied up. Unless it is the pick of the party because he's a future presidential candidate, and a hispanic pick to guard against Rubio or Bush as candidates. He's 40 - and yes he is most definitely being groomed. The big factors are his charisma and his age. By the time he's 55-60 he is definitely the guy to watch because that is when demographics in TX will also be in line for a blue Texas.
okasha
(11,573 posts)It was radical, pretty much on a level with the Panthers.
TheKentuckian
(24,943 posts)Castro himself does not come off as radical, quite liberal, somewhat liberal, or indeed anything but another establishment approved and groomed "centrist".
I'm not getting restrained radical from the brother either so maybe the apples fell a little further from the tree than some are willing to admit.
TBF
(31,921 posts)very popular ex-mayor of San Antonio who is now heading HUD.
I wish he were partnered with Bernie because he is indeed a great candidate for the dems.
LettuceSea
(337 posts)This pick seems to excite a lot of white collar, 40-60 year old democrats.
Don't be surprised when this VP pick doesn't have the effect you guys expect.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Don't you be surprised that the outcome is exactly what the Hispanic people want.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)decided not to come to Texas last week? Is the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce backing the working poor of Texas? Do the working poor of Texas support Hillary Clinton after she worked to privatize the Mexican national oil industry (2012) in which the oil workers were moved out of the way so PEMA could be controlled by the Mexican 1%. Clinton's team, who worked on the privatization, went through a revolving door, according to many media sources. Mexicans demonstrate all the time on the devastation brought by US trade agreements. Workers in both countries are very against the TPP and other T-trade agreements between corporations around the world. Please feel free to research this well known fact. Workers, working in both countries, have friends, family, neighbors, teachers, clergy and many others who know what is going on.
I think that Castro should run for president on his own, to show who his supporters are and what they represent, then he would be a real viable VP source, in my opinion.
riversedge
(69,721 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
riversedge
(69,721 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)And if Rubio isn't their nominee, whichever cretin they pick will undoubtedly choose an Hispanic VP.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)We haven't even had a debate yet, it's way early to be talking about VP nominees.
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LettuceSea
(337 posts)It's not like the Hispanic vote is this monolithic bloc that will see Julian's smile and go, "HE'S THE ONE!!! WE MUST VOTE FOR A HISPANIC OVER THE CUBAN!!!"
As silly as that sounds, I get the impression that there are a lot of white, well-educated, well-off Democratic voters who assume that's what they're gonna do without much resistance. They won't admit it, because it demonstrates how out of touch they are with the real world and real voters.
okasha
(11,573 posts)los cubanos son hispanos.
Debes aprender mas de este pueblo.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Clearly you don't from a comment in your post above.
JI7
(89,174 posts)Castro are both hispanics.
TBF
(31,921 posts)and he has a lot more charisma than Rubio. I think he could take him on his own, rather than pair him with Hillary. That's what I was hoping would happen. That Julian would step up and run. But no one was brave enough to take on Hillary besides Bernie. (I know Martin O'Malley is running but my view is that he is jockeying for VP).
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)lol
TheKentuckian
(24,943 posts)I guess if you are talking a comparison to Jindal, Kaisch, or Walker then there is a point but still seemingly a nearly flat one.
MFM008
(19,776 posts)speak at the convention.
A terrific choice.
Proud Public Servant
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Castro has no real governing experience. None. The real power in San Antonio's government rests with their city manager; the mayor is a figurehead whose executive powers would make most European monarchs laugh. And HUD? Leaving aside the fact that the Obama White House has curtailed even the limited autonomy cabinet secretaries are used to (with the exception of Justice, which they've allowed to run amok), it's not like HUD is awash in recent accomplishments.
Here's a true fact: Sarah Palin had more executive and governing experience in 2008 than Castro will have in 2016. Castro's smarter than Palin, but his nomination would be more reminiscent hers than of any VP nominee, in either party, in living memory.
So if Castro ends up as the nominee, count on it reflecting only two things:
1) The Clinton's are cynical, calculating politicians without peer, and they're more than willing to put an underqualified running mate a heartbeat (or blot clot, in Hillary's case) away from the presidency solely -- and it will be solely -- because of his ethnicity; and
2) The Democratic Party is so incredibly bad at recruiting and sustaining talent that it can find no one from its fastest-growing and arguably most important demographic to run credibly as vice president. The fact that the GOP has a likely Hispanic presidential nominee in the offing and a plausible Hispanic veep (Susana Martinez) as a back-up, while we've got no one comparable, should shame our whole party.
okasha
(11,573 posts)Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)Juan Castro used to play for the Dodgers
840high
(17,196 posts)joshcryer
(62,265 posts)To keep the Democrats in power until 2032.
His experience would very much be a sticking point. But playing that against the Hispanic vote would be very risky. The way campaigns are run now are as mass media events. As long as he comes off as intelligent, which he can and will, it's not that big of a deal to todays voters.
merrily
(45,251 posts)BlueStater
(7,596 posts)A 42 year old upstart with minimal (and I mean *minimal*) executive experience being first in line to the presidency behind a nearly 70 year old woman with some recent health problems. And many people here seem to think this is a good idea.
All I can do is just shake my head.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)Plus she needs a younger exciting running mate.
totodeinhere
(13,034 posts)be forced to pick someone from a swing state who could put her over the top in that state. But if it's obvious she is going to win then she can pick whomever she wants. The problem with Castro is he is from Texas and she will probably lose Texas with him on the ticket or not.
And since the Republican convention is first she will know exactly who is on their ticket. And that might influence her VP pick.