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McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 12:59 PM Oct 2015

How Candidate Hillary Clinton Has Changed(Not Flip Flopped!) in Democratic Eyes Since 2008

As expected, some folks who support Clinton in 2016 are being asked to wear the negative comments they made about her in 2008 around their necks like an albatross. "How could you hate her then and like her now? What are you? A flip flopper? A tool of the DNC? Nah nah nah nah..." These same folks do not mind that Elizabeth Warren was a Republican--until she became a Democrat, after the Reagan administration. They still hold up Sen. Byrd as a paragon of virtue---even though he used to be in the KKK. Byrd voted no on Iraq and that is the only test of human character, in their books----

But this is not about those who believe that it is a crime to be Hillary Clinton. This is about the candidate herself. How did she go from being First Lady to the front runner for the job of Commander in Chief? She was not anointed. She worked her way up. Yes, her husband gave her a huge name recognition boost, allowing her to become a Sen. from New York. However, some of the folks who hate her now wanted Carolyn Kennedy to be a Sen. from New York---why? Because of her name. And because she is "classy" (actual DU quote). And because she supported Obama. If those are good enough reasons for Kennedy to be a Senator, then Clinton's tenure as First Lady probably qualified her, too. Especially since she and her husband ran as a package deal back in 1992.

Then, Hillary Clinton ran a close second to Obama in the 2008 primary, the first woman in the US to do so in a presidential major party primary. And then, she proved herself to be a good Democrat first, by embracing Obama in the general. No Kennedy 1980 tantrums for her. She practiced the solidarity that makes the Democratic Party strong. And, after the verbal excesses of the 2008 primary, no one would have blamed her had she chosen to take her toys and go home before the convention. But no. She jumped on board the Obama bandwagon.

And after the election, she joined the Obama administration. During her tenure as Secretary of State, she supported the President and the country---and the principles of Democracy which she outlined in the 1990s during her famous speech about women in Bejing. In 2012, she and her husband actively campaigned for the POTUS. The Clintons and the Obamas buried the hatchet for the good of the party. For the good of us, the people whom the party serves. And the Obama administration has served the people with their support of gays, women, minorities, the sick, the poor. With SOS Clinton right there beside him.


So, I can understand how folks who thought she was a "monster" (actual quote) an evil temptress from Hell sent to earth by Satan to "crib death" (actual quote) the Obama campaign, "Nixonian" (actual quote) in her ruthless desire for power--I can understand why some of these people changed their minds. It was not because the DNC told them to change their minds. They changed their minds, because Clinton showed them that she can be selfless, a team player who will put aside her ego in order to do what is best for all.

I consider it a sign of character when someone is willing to look and learn and change their mind based upon what they see. And if they see a Hillary Clinton that is not the same one they saw(or described) in 2008, more power to them. Being alive being able to change. Our opinions only become fixed in death.

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How Candidate Hillary Clinton Has Changed(Not Flip Flopped!) in Democratic Eyes Since 2008 (Original Post) McCamy Taylor Oct 2015 OP
Changed, evolved, flip-flopped, whatever. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #1
Core principles, moral conviction, and ethical standards AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #8
Nicely written! leftofcool Oct 2015 #2
Rationalization 101. artislife Oct 2015 #3
Bullshit. 99Forever Oct 2015 #4
The timing of her sudden epiphany is suspect AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #5
I don't think it is, anymore than Sanders coming around on race and gunz. Hoyt Oct 2015 #10
Sanders hasn't changed his positions on anything AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #11
He just did on guns. nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #13
Thanks for that handy link AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #14
He's your candidate, isn't he? Don't you know what he has said? nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #15
You are the accuser AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #17
LOL, it's the top news of the day about your candidate. You didn't know? stevenleser Oct 2015 #18
Bernie voted for an assault weapons ban 2 1/2 years ago jfern Oct 2015 #19
You haven't looked at his record, have you? AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #20
I don't have a lot of confidence in HRC to maintain any position. aikoaiko Oct 2015 #6
Yes, why should you be held to your own rhetoric? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #7
Hillary doesn't like Obama pinebox Oct 2015 #9
Oh come on. Quit trying to put lipstick on a pig. Hillary is trying to neutralize Bernie. Avalux Oct 2015 #12
Kerry has been a much better Secretary of State jfern Oct 2015 #16
She is putting a bandaid on her campaign AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #21
A note on her becoming Senator from New York planetc Oct 2015 #22
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
1. Changed, evolved, flip-flopped, whatever.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 01:09 PM
Oct 2015

I don't want a POTUS who needs on the job training before they get it right. I want a POTUS with core principles, who gets it right the first time. Even if not a popular position at the time, passage of time proves them right. That is leadership. Blowing in the wind is a tumbleweed. Let's put a leader in the WH, not merely an occupant.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
2. Nicely written!
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 01:14 PM
Oct 2015

You are going to get the usual "she's just a flip flopper" which is exactly what the right wing did to John Kerry, so it shouldn't be a surprise to see it here. If no one ever evolved on anything, if no one ever changed their minds about something, what a stagnant world this would be. What you have described is the exact reason Hillary is so respected among her colleagues. She listens, she learns, she compromises, she cultivates relationships and she can change her mind when she is shown to be wrong. Those who can not evolve, those who can not be persuaded to compromise, those who remain stagnant on issues, do not make good leaders.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
5. The timing of her sudden epiphany is suspect
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 01:21 PM
Oct 2015

She adopts Sanders positions just before the first debate? lol This will backfire on her so badly. He will be speaking from the heart and she will be trying to regurgitate memorized talking points.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
20. You haven't looked at his record, have you?
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 11:50 PM
Oct 2015

He came out against assault weapons decades ago. You are not a serious person. Have a good evening.

aikoaiko

(34,162 posts)
6. I don't have a lot of confidence in HRC to maintain any position.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 01:28 PM
Oct 2015

I also get that people like her because Bill and Barack like her; two really good Democratic presidents given the contexts of what they inherited and worked with.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
7. Yes, why should you be held to your own rhetoric?
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 01:33 PM
Oct 2015

You're a Clinton supporter, you are beyond the concept of standards!

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
9. Hillary doesn't like Obama
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 01:46 PM
Oct 2015

And I don't think there's any kind of question about that. When she supported him as SOS, it was a case of "don't speak bad about your employer publicly" going on. She knows very well what sort of firestorm that would cause.

However, the truth IS out there.





Avalux

(35,015 posts)
12. Oh come on. Quit trying to put lipstick on a pig. Hillary is trying to neutralize Bernie.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 10:16 PM
Oct 2015

It's a political strategy; she's betting that the hit she takes for changing her mind and parroting Bernie and assuming Bernie's positions will be manageable, and not enough to keep her from winning.

It's all a calculation and Hillary is nothing if not calculating. The ends justify the means to her.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
16. Kerry has been a much better Secretary of State
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 11:42 PM
Oct 2015

than the Secretary of state who supported the coup against the democratically elected President of Honduras.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
21. She is putting a bandaid on her campaign
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:05 AM
Oct 2015

So she can get through the primaries. It could potentially backfire on her, IMHO.

planetc

(7,788 posts)
22. A note on her becoming Senator from New York
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:04 AM
Oct 2015

You say: "She worked her way up. Yes, her husband gave her a huge name recognition boost, allowing her to become a Sen. from New York."

She did indeed have huge name recognition, but clinging to her name were years of insults to her husband. There were many New Yorkers who believed Maureen Dowd and the rest of the pundits that both the Clintons were evil people--he was a serial rapist and she was his enabler. (I am summarizing an ltte in our local paper.) Among the believers in anything bad said about the Clintons was Rick Lazio, her opponent for the senate seat, whose entire campaign message seemed to boil down to "You can't possibly be thinking about voting for another *Clinton*!" Mrs. Clinton, for her part, traveled around the state finding out what was on people's minds, and her campaign talked about issues and solutions. Enough NY voters believed that the bad Clinton press might have been a little exaggerated to send her to the senate. It was not just her tendency to talk about issues and avoid personalities altogether; it was the numerous weaknesses of her opponent that won her the senate seat. Name recognition, if the name is Clinton, is a two-edged sword. Some New Yorkers cast a perfectly rational vote for her.

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