2016 Postmortem

portlander23

(2,078 posts) Sat Oct 10, 2015, 01:53 PM Oct 2015

NYT: In Debate Preview, Bernie Sanders Criticizes Hillary Clinton for Iraq Vote

If there was any question about how Senator Bernie Sanders would go after Hillary Rodham Clinton in the first Democratic presidential primary debate on Tuesday evening, it was answered on Saturday in the form of a press release attacking his rival’s vote authorizing the Iraq War.

Mrs. Clinton’s vote in 2002 authorizing the use of force of Iraq, which then-President George W. Bush sought, became a defining issue in her 2008 presidential primary against then-Senator Barack Obama. Mr. Obama used that vote to raise questions about Mrs. Clinton’s judgment and her character.

Mrs. Clinton never explicitly called that vote a mistake during that primary, despite pleas from some of her advisers to do just that. Instead, she moved away from it slowly, ultimately saying that had she known then what she later knew, she wouldn’t have voted that way.

She finally said she was “wrong” in her memoir, “Hard Choices,” which was released in 2014. But this debate will be the first event with her fellow candidates where she will make that point.

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NYT: In Debate Preview, Bernie Sanders Criticizes Hillary Clinton for Iraq Vote (Original Post) portlander23 Oct 2015 OP

Her excuses, "wrong", consigns the death of 100s of thousands to a "whoopsie". K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #1

Exactly, you said what most of us say when we see a politician call such a disastrous vote sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #2

I think America will want to hear about Hillary's policies that go Forward instead of Sanders riversedge Oct 2015 #3

I think people know that the past is prologue. Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #5

But we live for the future. riversedge Oct 2015 #6

It may be that she can't pass the Commander In Chief threshold. Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #4

There's also her Kyl Liberman Iran war vote in 2007 jfern Oct 2015 #7

Warning: No Dem candidate better come off looking wobbly on national oasis Oct 2015 #9

And Clinton will hit him back with his vote for legislation in support of minutemen.... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #8

she's already threatening Iran--and does anyone REALLY think she'll let Carson out-hawk her? MisterP Oct 2015 #10

not just sanders restorefreedom Oct 2015 #11

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)

1. Her excuses, "wrong", consigns the death of 100s of thousands to a "whoopsie". K&R

Reply to portlander23 (Original post)

Sat Oct 10, 2015, 01:57 PM

Oct 2015

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)

2. Exactly, you said what most of us say when we see a politician call such a disastrous vote

Reply to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 10, 2015, 02:39 PM

Oct 2015

a 'mistake'. So many lives lost, the region now in turmoil with more lives lost evey day, that is no mistake, it is a massive error in judgement the cost of which we see no end to.

riversedge

(70,094 posts)

3. I think America will want to hear about Hillary's policies that go Forward instead of Sanders

Reply to portlander23 (Original post)

Sat Oct 10, 2015, 02:40 PM

Oct 2015

hitting Clinton. And I trust Hillary will try to gear the debate toward fixing problems instead of rehashing of old votes.

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)

5. I think people know that the past is prologue.

Reply to riversedge (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 10, 2015, 06:29 PM

Oct 2015

If you liked the Iraq war, then vote for someone who not only voted for it but also gave a 19 minute speech asking others to vote for it too.

riversedge

(70,094 posts)

6. But we live for the future.

Reply to Motown_Johnny (Reply #5)

Sat Oct 10, 2015, 06:37 PM

Oct 2015

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)

4. It may be that she can't pass the Commander In Chief threshold.

Reply to portlander23 (Original post)

Sat Oct 10, 2015, 06:28 PM

Oct 2015

The Iraq war speech, and the vote, is damaging to her. Although her loyalists have forgiven her for them, they are the only ones. The whole stupid "no fly zone over Syria" which she supports now is even worse. Her comment about Gaddafi's death hurts too. Then there is Snipergate which is a series of RW attack ads already pre-made. Comments about Iran. Voting consistently for a bigger military. The list goes on and on.

Yes, I will even admit to what I shouldn't. It will be harder for a woman to clear that hurdle than a man. It is wrong that things are that way, but they are.

The Democrats need to consider the possibility that she will not be electable in the General because she can't be seen by a majority of Americans as a viable Commander In Chief.

jfern

(5,204 posts)

7. There's also her Kyl Liberman Iran war vote in 2007

Reply to Motown_Johnny (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 10, 2015, 06:42 PM

Oct 2015

She's a hawk, plain and simple.

oasis

(49,339 posts)

9. Warning: No Dem candidate better come off looking wobbly on national

Reply to Motown_Johnny (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 10, 2015, 09:32 PM

Oct 2015

Defense. If they do, the Foxbots and MSM will be all over it. If it's one thing American voters hate, it's weakness in the ability to keep the country safe.

For certain, Hillary won't be the one dropping the ball.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)

8. And Clinton will hit him back with his vote for legislation in support of minutemen....

Reply to portlander23 (Original post)

Sat Oct 10, 2015, 09:20 PM

Oct 2015

... Cause Sanders throwing stones makes no sense

MisterP

(23,730 posts)

10. she's already threatening Iran--and does anyone REALLY think she'll let Carson out-hawk her?

Reply to portlander23 (Original post)

Sat Oct 10, 2015, 11:03 PM

Oct 2015

(especially with so much experience?)

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)

11. not just sanders

Reply to portlander23 (Original post)

Sat Oct 10, 2015, 11:29 PM

Oct 2015

chafee has basically made it his mission in life to keep reminding people of that awful war of choice. and i think om has come out against it, so those three v. clinton on her major hawk views

good luck with that.

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