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riversedge

(69,711 posts)
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 05:36 PM Oct 2015

Hmm, Clinton/Sanders in statistical tie in NH;





Eric Boehlert ?@EricBoehlert 4h4 hours ago

Hmm, Clinton/Sanders in statistical tie in NH; http://buff.ly/1Mn6LoX #narrative


October 9, 2015By Taegan Goddard37 Comments

A new Gravis Marketing poll in New Hampshire finds Donald Trump .....................

On the Democratic side, Bernie Sanders leads with 33%, followed by Hillary Clinton at 30% and Joe Biden at 11%.
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Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
1. Everything is in a holding pattern until after the first debate.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 05:44 PM
Oct 2015

Things may still be stagnant afterward. Or either of the major candidates have a chance to make real gains.

It is happening soon. Next weekend's posts will be very different from this weekend's.


 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
2. I'm not so sure debates really change much no matter who wins.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 05:50 PM
Oct 2015

Unless there is an epic f-up debates don't seem to change much. Trump hasn't won a debate yet, yet his lead is growing. Campaign stops and ground game is what moves numbers.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
9. For me, and possibly for a lot of those here on DU
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 06:01 PM
Oct 2015

the debates don't matter too much. We are already paying a lot of attention. But most voters are just barely beginning to pay attention at this point, and we're still more than a year out from the general election. For them, the debates matter.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
6. I hope it's correct but it could be an oulier...
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 05:55 PM
Oct 2015

I hope it's correct but it could be an oulier... I need to see other polls before I make any inferences. I am not going to cherry pick polls. That's what our opponents do to boost their morale. I hold myself to a higher level of intellectual honesty.


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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
10. Right now it's fair to say it is an outlier and Gravis is an average pollster at best...
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 06:06 PM
Oct 2015

They are also a landline only robo-caller so that also creates all kinds of problems.

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jfern

(5,204 posts)
11. Gravis is a crappy pollster
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 06:09 PM
Oct 2015

And the last 2 polls had 9 and 16 point leads for Sanders. So no, it's not a statistical tie.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
14. Bill didn't win NH either--didn't stop him.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 07:11 PM
Oct 2015

If Sanders does not show well in a predominantly white, gun-loving small state that is Right Next Door, then he is not even slightly viable. And I think he will show well there. He's a 'right over the border' known quantity and has been for decades, now.

I'd frankly be surprised if he didn't win or strongly place there.

IA and NH are really harbingers for the GOP, because they have a population that is very representative of their base.

Super Tuesday is the harbinger for the Dems.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
17. I think much of it, frankly, is unstated gender prejudice.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 10:33 PM
Oct 2015

There are people who don't like women leaders. They FEAR them--because they are SMARTER. Sharper. More thoughtful. More intense. Less blinded by testosterone.

I happen to think they do a better job--they aren't stressing about who has the biggest gonads/sexual organs, the most height, the thickest hair, whatever. They don't do stupid things like pose shirtless (even without riding bears), showing off their moobs, or try to affect "manly" tough-guy poses, pretending they are better at sports than they actually are.

Women get crapped on for their looks, but there comes a tipping point when they reach a certain age where they play the "Oh, fuck off" card and just don't give a shit. And once they do, it's like they've put on a suit of armor, and all the petty little insults just don't resonate anymore.

Indira Ghandi, Golda Meir, Angela Merkel... the attitude with all of them was (is) "You don't like my looks? Oh, FUCK OFF!"

HRC is in that window now. They don''t like her pant suits? Her "cankles?" Her hair dos? Well... they can all just fuck right off~!

People who like her see how absolutely RADIANT she is--her intelligence, judgment, and acumen just shine like a beacon. And people who don't like her?

Well--what I said!

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