2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI am Switching To Bernie.
Bernie's non-existent Wall Street plan will show them who's boss!
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/16/opinion/democrats-republicans-and-wall-street-tycoons.html?_r=2&referer=http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251691287
And his non-existent climate plan will tackle climate change! And his non-existent economics plan will tackle income inequality! And his non-existent gun control plan will tackle gun violence! And his non-existent immigration plan will tackle reform! Etc etc etc etc
DCBob
(24,689 posts)boston bean
(36,220 posts)EVERYTHING EVERYTHING SUCKS!
Give me an O
Give me an L
Give me an I
Give me a G
Give me an A
Give me an R
Give me a C
Give me an H
Give me a Y
What do you got? OLIGARCHY OLIGARCHY OLIGARCHY!!!!! Say it again, OLIGARCHY!
And when you finish spouting that, start over again!
treestar
(82,383 posts)We are coming for you, oligarchs!
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Hillary is already one of the oligarchs herself! Bernie is going to get her too!
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)then she would be beholden to herself.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Say they vote for more regulations of the oligarchs. How do the oligarchs let their displeasure be known? Has anyone ever lost an election that can be traced to no funding from previous funders due to a particular vote?
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Is the ever evolving Hillary the one who will do it?
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)They steal your spam right off their websites after you spend all night putting that shit up in the polls!!!!
Armstead
(47,803 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... always shown the willingness to do what Americans want them to do... not
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Ron Green
(9,822 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)The powerful (and their hangers-on) heaping ridicule on the less powerful just isn't funny.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)You'll heat them again if someone punches down at them. Remember : IOKIHDI
TM99
(8,352 posts)Telling them to 'Cut it Out' was obviously not effective.
Here are just a few examples of how he has gotten things done in the House --
Corporate Crime Accountability (February 1995): A Sanders amendment to the Victims Justice Act of 1995 required offenders who are convicted of fraud and other white-collar crimes to give notice to victims and other persons in cases where there are multiple victims eligible to receive restitution.
Saving Money, for Colleges and Taxpayers (April 1998): In an amendment to H.R. 6, the Higher Education Amendments of 1998, Sanders made a change to the law that allowed the Fund for the Improvement of Postsecondary Education to make competitive grants available to colleges and universities that cooperated to reduce costs through joint purchases of goods and services.
Holding IRS Accountable, Protecting Pensions (July 2002): Sanders' amendment to the Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act of 2003 stopped the IRS from being able to use funds that violate current pension age discrimination laws. Although he faced stiff GOP opposition, his amendment still succeeded along a 308 to 121 vote.
Expanding Free Health Care (November 2001): You wouldn't think Republicans would agree to an expansion of funds for community health centers, which provide some free services. But Sanders was able to win a $100 million increase in funding with an amendment.
Getting Tough On Child Labor (July 2001): A Sanders amendment to the general appropriations bill prohibited the importation of goods made with child labor.
Increasing Funding for Heating for the Poor (September 2004): Sanders won a $22 million increase for the low-income home energy assistance program and related weatherization assistance program.
Fighting Corporate Welfare and Protecting Against Nuclear Disasters (June 2005): A Sanders amendment brought together a bipartisan coalition that outnumbered a bipartisan coalition on the other side to successfully prohibit the Export-Import Bank from providing loans for nuclear projects in China.
and in the Senate --
Protecting Our Troops (October 2007): Sanders used an amendment to win $10 million for operation and maintenance of the Army National Guard, which had been stretched thin and overextended by the war in Iraq.
Restricting the Bailout to Protect U.S. Workers (Feburary 2009): A Sanders amendment required the banking bailout to utilize stricter H-1B hiring standards to ensure bailout funds weren't used to displace American workers.
Helping Veterans' Kids (July 2009): A Sanders amendment required the Comptroller General to put together comprehensive reporting on financial assistance for child care available to parents in the Armed Forces.
Exposing Corruption in the Military-Industrial Complex (November 2012): A Sanders amendment required public availability of the database of senior Department officials seeking employment with defense contractors an important step toward transparency that revealed the corruption of the revolving door in action.
Support for Treating Autism in Military Health Care: Sanders worked with Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) to pass an amendment by a vote of 66-29 ensuring that the military's TRICARE system would be able to treat autism.
http://act.alternet.org/go/65004?t=2&akid=13584.319429.egZCV1
All this without 'triangulation', without 'purpling', and without catchy little meaningless phrases like 'Cut it out'.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)Isn't that what y'all keep projecting on to Sanders?
That he just gesticulates wildly, gives angry speeches, but accomplishes nothing?
Yet, here is a list that proves y'all to be wrong.
Your comeback?
Well, Clinton made a speech but got nothing passed. This is comedy gold! Thanks for brightening my Saturday morning!
boston bean
(36,220 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)have preceded actual legislative accomplishments.
Do go back and read my post again and the accompanying link.
I think you must have skipped over it in your zealous attempt to try and get a gotcha zinger in on me.
boston bean
(36,220 posts)Bernies legislative prowess is pretty much zero.
TM99
(8,352 posts)Now I am not surprised. And I am quite certain that it is willful on your part.
But I did present facts which show he does have legislative prowess.
You can not counter the fact, so as per your usual MO, you will make a condescending non-post instead.
You are rather predictable.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)That she missed nothing would imply she doesn't care about the accuracy of her assertions.
TM99
(8,352 posts)boston bean
(36,220 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)Thanks for playing Bean.
boston bean
(36,220 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Ross Perot voters.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Not "co-sponsored." Wrote and got passed into law. (Adding your name to someone else's bill, meh. Bills can have over 100 co-sponsors.) Now deduct the ceremonial bills, like the ones about the remembering the Revolutionary War and Harriet Tubman or naming a federal building. What do you have?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)so much without those.
Let's see. Track record of accomplishments minus the status quo endorsements? Or 'Cut it out!' with the status quo endorsements?
I know which I choose.
thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)...of whichever Democratic candidate ends up in the White House.
Just as the congresspeople who endorsed Hillary in 2008 worked with Obama when he was elected.
mountain grammy
(26,614 posts)actually working in our Congress to represent constituents. For anyone to say he has no ideas or solutions, really? Thank you for posting this. Bernie Sanders has a record. To ignore it is to be Republican.
George II
(67,782 posts)Now, with all those amendments, were any of the bills he "amended" passed?
How about introducing legislation, not just riding on the coattails of legislators who wrote and introduced legislation?
From your examples I agree, he's a great follower, not a leader.
thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)re: your question, "Now, with all those amendments, were any of the bills he 'amended' passed? " -- If you had merely clicked the link provided, you would have seen that everything mentioned there was passed.
Again, the link is http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you which also included this...
While Sanders was an amendment king who was able to bring bipartisan coalitions together to make serious changes to laws, he also knew how to be a thorn in the side of the establishment until it offered up something in return. Sanders was able to get the first-ever audit of funds given out by the Federal Reserve, which made transparent over $2 trillion of funds handed out by the secretive organization. This was a cause that Republican congressman Ron Paul (TX) had been pursuing for decades, but Sanders was able to get the votes to do it by forging a compromise that required an audit for the bailout period alone.
When the Affordable Care Act was in danger of not having the votes to pass, Sanders used his leverage to win enough funding for free health treatment for 10 million Americans through Community Health Centers. This gutsy moveholding out until the funds were put into the billhas even Republican members of Congress requesting the funds, which have helped millions of Americans who otherwise would not have access.
Another moment came when Sanders, who was then chair of the Veterans committee, worked with Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), to overhaul the Veterans Administration. McCain praised Sanders' work on the bill in an interview with National Journal. Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI) even went so far as to say the bill would never have passed without Sanders' ability to bring the parties to a deal.
For more detail on ACA, see https://theintercept.com/2015/07/06/gop-senators-support-sanders-obamacare-expansion/
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Says she'll vote for anyone but Clinton.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)-JacknGreen
In Nov 2016 you will be voting for Bernie
-Rosa Luxemburg
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)Would be to make sure those on-line polls get the respect they deserve!
Laser102
(816 posts)TBF
(32,041 posts)The Robin Hood Tax swooped into Americas national spotlight when presidential contender Sen. Bernie Sanders joined with National Nurses United and student groups in Washington, D.C. at a press conference today to announce his introduction of two Senate bills - the College for All Act and the Robin Hood tax bill that would levy a small tax on Wall Street financial transactions in order to fund free tuition at every public college and university in the United States, as well as slash interest rates on existing student loans.
The College for All Act and the Robin Hood Tax would set a 0.5 percent tax on most stock transactions, and a lesser tax on bond and derivative trades. Such a tax has been championed for years by NNU, the countrys largest organization of registered nurses, and other healthcare and climate change groups and is already in effect in more than 40 countries around the world, including Britain, Germany, Switzerland, and China. A similar Robin Hood Tax bill, H.R. 1464, introduced by Rep. Keith Ellison, is pending in the House of Representatives. The tax is estimated to raise about $300 billion per year to fund programs such as free higher education, healthcare for all, and a reversal of climate change.
http://www.robinhoodtax.org/news/blog/sen-bernie-sanders-officially-introduces-robin-hood-tax-act
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Which is why I'm so glad Hillary will be our next President!
bvf
(6,604 posts)You're welcome.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)"baited breath" is the more correct description.
Good point.
B. Kliban
longship
(40,416 posts)I have no dog in this hunt. But I will call out bullshit when it raises its head.
This post is bullshit.
Just like many of the anti-Hillary posts here are bullshit.
Children, behave for once. We have months until the primaries and over a year until the election. Please try to behave like adults.
Thank you.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Oh yeah, THAT'S gonna happen.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)That you weren't backing anyone. Guess you changed your mind huh?
tularetom
(23,664 posts)This ones just goofy. Nice try though.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/15/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-says-she-called-wall-street-regula/
That post was meant to be funny, mine is meant to spread truth. Truth > funny.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)But I'd suggest you not tell them that you've chosen to say he has no plans for anything without bothering to do any research into his actual record of legislative actions, proposals, speeches, writings, appearance at hearings, executive performance as Mayor, etc.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Your demand for a link reminds me of the old phrase :You can lead a horse to water but you can;t make them drink."
I really couldn't care less whether you agree or disagree with Sanders policies. That's fine. Variety is the spice of life.
But you are totally full of shit with these repeated claims that he has no specifics, simply because his campaign has not issued a 300 page "white paper" filled with micropolicies that no one reads and which always get tossed into the waste basket after election day.
His campaign has issued basic proposals. And people here have given plenty of information about specifics.
More important, there is ample information about what you claim to want to know out there already.
I'm too busy to waste time leading you to water you wonlt bother to drink.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)A waste of time. I'm not going to take the time to dig out links to prove the sun rises in the east either.
There is this thing called Google. It' a wonderful tool. There are otehr wonderful tools out there.
kjones
(1,053 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)....trying to demonstrate to the horse of the existence of water.
thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)kjones
(1,053 posts)The "Just Google it, stupid" types of responses always annoy me, regardless of who they come from.
One of the purposes of DU is sharing information, and it's never a bad thing to share that information
freely, no matter how easily it can be found. That's why there are "knock on door" campaigns. You'll
catch more flies with honey than vinegar...and a lot more if you bring that honey right to their door.
I think everybody all around on DU needs a good vacation...I do.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)it gets tiresome trying to explain that the sun rises in the east yet again.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)( before she didn't), and probably cannot even decide what to have for breakfast without consulting a focus-group....
Oh, you really haven't switched? Not to worry- plenty of time left for you to get it right, and...
Feel The Bern!!
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Didn't your sig line used to read:
Bernie Sanders 2016 Fuck yeah
Before Bad Bernie Supporters made a bunch of Good Bernie Supporters switch to Hillary?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Bernie Sanders is an A+ senator who I admire. Hillary will make an A+ president.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)let me ask another question: looking back, which "plans" that a Presidential candidate ran on, then enacted, are your favorites?
Your top three should suffice, thanks.
Of course, I think that these don't exist, at least within the past few decades - but I look forward to your showing me otherwise.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Long before anyone announced. Which presidential candidate?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Thanks.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)from supporters and running a faux campaign. He will drop out when the well runs dry. The debate made that clear.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Bernie's well is deep.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)BooScout
(10,406 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)n the third quarter, only 17 percent of Clintons cash came from donors who gave $200 or less. By contrast, donors who gave the maximum donation of $2,700 for the primary election ― and who, as such, wont be able to donate again in the primary ― provided more than 50 percent of the former secretary of states haul.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-fec-filing-cash-flow-problem-214870#ixzz3oqKqbJn6
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Bernie won't be able to pay off her debts like Obama did.
MsLeopard
(1,265 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)If he was so serious, he would have started this process YEARS ago.
Maineman
(854 posts)political operative. I lack respect for your smart ass tactic.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)retrowire
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George II
(67,782 posts)..and Russia/Ukraine.
Those alone are worth my vote.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)That said, I'm switching to Hillary!
Her "crossing fingers behind my back" plan to control Wall st will show them who's boss! "Cut it out guys teehee!"
Her focus on Climate Change when she said the biggest threat to America was Nuclear war! Ahh war! teehee!
Her plan to fight economic inequality also has crossed fingers behind her back because no "Expand" is a much more committed word than "Enhance" lmao
Her plan to tackle gun control is the same as O'Malley's and Bernie's so....
Her immigration plan is also vague.
Thank god for vague, sneaky politicians.
Go Hillary!
LMAO
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JaneyVee
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merrily
(45,251 posts)Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Stop wasting our time with these frivolous alerts!
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Explanation: retrowire did not call Janey Vee a troll. He said she was trolling. Trolling is a behavior and often in the eye of the beholder.
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Explanation: It's no worse than the OP.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)Unlike Hillary who did. Until she faced the voters in her 2008 campaign she refused to admit she was wrong until Iowans proved she wasn't going to get their votes.
Bernie was also correct on the patriot act and on not bailing out the Banksters. The banks should have been broken up and management replaced.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)"There will be more police on the street, a hundred thousand more police officers, with flexibility given to local communities to determine how best to use them. We will be able to say, loudly and clearly, that for repeat, violent, criminal offenders three strikes and youre out. We are tired of putting you back in through the revolving door.
So all in all, this crime bill tries to take a bottoms-up approach, because it is built on the experience of people who have actually been there, people like yourselves."
Hillary Clinton in 1994
Also of course, Hillary voted for both Afghanistan and Iraqi wars. If the one is bad, the both is worse.
It's best not to criticize your rivals for things you also did. That seems self evident, but apparently it is not.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)mountain grammy
(26,614 posts)Please tell us you are being sarcastic, because the Krugman column you link to says none of the above.
jalan48
(13,855 posts)"Cut it out you big meanies!"
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/15/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-says-she-called-wall-street-regula/
It will save you every time.
jalan48
(13,855 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)enid602
(8,610 posts)It's amazing that he can do all these things, and provide universal Medicare, without cost! He's a real multi tasker.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Bernie's plans are not difficult to find. Why not criticize them instead of pretending that they don't exist?
bvf
(6,604 posts)No thinking required.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)That kind of loud and bizarre logic is just what I'm looking for in a Commander and Chief!
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)is...Quit Shouting.
I'm sure his supporters think that's fine. Double standards and all.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)with people calling me to laugh about it. Now, whenever any of us can't decide what to order for lunch or we're arguing about what to have for dinner someone invariably yells... "SHOUTING WON'T HELP". Too funny!
P.S. Please, let's have more debates! The country wants to hear Bernie shout out his stump speech again!
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)the half hour comedy hour on Fox, which was it';s attempt to counter the Daily Show. The "humor" these folks produced only reminded you that yes, the opposition was not only clueless, but not even funny.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)... somebody....