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JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:45 AM Oct 2015

I am Switching To Bernie.

Bernie's non-existent Wall Street plan will show them who's boss!

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/16/opinion/democrats-republicans-and-wall-street-tycoons.html?_r=2&referer=http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251691287

And his non-existent climate plan will tackle climate change! And his non-existent economics plan will tackle income inequality! And his non-existent gun control plan will tackle gun violence! And his non-existent immigration plan will tackle reform! Etc etc etc etc

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I am Switching To Bernie. (Original Post) JaneyVee Oct 2015 OP
Details, details, details.. Bernie will figure all that stuff out later. DCBob Oct 2015 #1
REVOLUTION BABY!!!! EVERYTHING IS CORRUPT and BOUGHT AND PAID FOR!!! boston bean Oct 2015 #2
Down with the oligarchs! treestar Oct 2015 #4
Hilllary is coming for the oligarch's.....CASH! virtualobserver Oct 2015 #51
I don't understand treestar Oct 2015 #90
she does not believe in funding her own campaign virtualobserver Oct 2015 #97
Are they really beholden? treestar Oct 2015 #98
I don't know of any politicians who have stood up to the interests of the people who funded them. virtualobserver Oct 2015 #103
Don't forget the eeeevil cOrPoRaShUnZ!!!!!!!!!!" R B Garr Oct 2015 #57
+1 Jamaal510 Oct 2015 #109
How about proving it isn't? (Unless you think Oligarchy is a GOOD thing) Armstead Oct 2015 #108
+1, All he has to say is "we have to", "we must" & "we will". No need for plans cause the GOP has... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #3
CNN paid you to say that. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #5
Your "satire" doesn't work the other way. Ron Green Oct 2015 #6
Dennis Miller:another person who didn't understand that basic truth. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #11
Just remember all the names JackInGreen Oct 2015 #38
Maybe you should switch. TM99 Oct 2015 #7
Hillary brought bills to the floor years before crisis: JaneyVee Oct 2015 #9
So she made two speeches, but got nothing passed. TM99 Oct 2015 #12
Well, if you feel bernies speeches are enough, why aren't they enough for Clinton? boston bean Oct 2015 #14
Did you miss that the speeches TM99 Oct 2015 #16
hahaha. I missed nothing. boston bean Oct 2015 #17
No, Bean, you did. TM99 Oct 2015 #18
I'll take her at her word hootinholler Oct 2015 #19
When has she ever? TM99 Oct 2015 #30
right... haha boston bean Oct 2015 #20
And yet another non-answer. TM99 Oct 2015 #26
you're welcome! LOL boston bean Oct 2015 #27
I always laugh at the muddled thinking of R B Garr Oct 2015 #52
Find bills and amendments that Hillary wrote that got passed. merrily Oct 2015 #72
Except she has senate and house endorsements to back her agenda. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #21
Yet, Sanders was able to accomplish TM99 Oct 2015 #29
Dems in the senate and house will mostly back the agenda... thesquanderer Oct 2015 #58
He's been a working representative for many years.. mountain grammy Oct 2015 #50
All that in 25 years! George II Oct 2015 #55
Yes, and more thesquanderer Oct 2015 #94
In Nov 2016 you will be voting for Bernie Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #8
Nothing about Janey suggests she will vote for a write in candidate. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #10
Nothing about Janey JackInGreen Oct 2015 #40
Huh DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #54
And as President, his first order of business Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #13
LOL! Good one. Laser102 Oct 2015 #34
Wall Street TBF Oct 2015 #15
I will be waiting with baited breath...not. MoonRiver Oct 2015 #22
The term is "bated breath." bvf Oct 2015 #86
No. For that particular post, bvar22 Oct 2015 #104
Ah! bvf Oct 2015 #105
Hopeless rubbish. longship Oct 2015 #23
You have no dog in this hunt that you care to admit to having. merrily Oct 2015 #77
"Please try to behave like adults." Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #102
some time ago you told me ibegurpard Oct 2015 #24
The post you copied this off of was much funnier tularetom Oct 2015 #25
But that post was factually incorrect, this one is truth. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #28
Aren't you gonna tell me to "cut it out"? tularetom Oct 2015 #31
I am sure the Sanders campaign will welcome your helpful input Armstead Oct 2015 #32
Please, link us to his Wall Street white paper. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #33
"You can lead a horse to water...." Armstead Oct 2015 #41
Ok. So link me to the basic proposals. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #45
Nope. Done this too many times on DU Armstead Oct 2015 #53
^ *Doesn't lead a horse to water. Get's pissed when it won't drink* kjones Oct 2015 #81
Nope. Don't care whether it likes the water. Just doesn't want to waste time.... Armstead Oct 2015 #87
The basic proposals can be found at thesquanderer Oct 2015 #60
Thank you kjones Oct 2015 #85
But when points have been explained many times.... Armstead Oct 2015 #89
Good for you! Because HRC is a Patriot-Act loving, Pro-Iraq Warrior who LOVED the TPP ... AzDar Oct 2015 #35
Weren't you for Bernie before you were against him? MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #36
Yup. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #39
That doesn't follow from your previous sig line. But MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #42
My previous sig line was from 2013. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #44
Any. MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #46
Bernie has no intention of becomeing President. He wants to drive the country left by taking money upaloopa Oct 2015 #37
LOL! nt MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #43
Hillary's well is already starting to run dry..... virtualobserver Oct 2015 #61
Well somethings deep with BS.... BooScout Oct 2015 #73
a large percentage of her donors have maxed out virtualobserver Oct 2015 #78
I don't think so, lol BooScout Oct 2015 #82
think again virtualobserver Oct 2015 #83
She better be careful Lordquinton Oct 2015 #91
Oh, please.... nt MsLeopard Oct 2015 #64
Yeah, his ego seems to be his main motivation. R B Garr Oct 2015 #75
I clicked on this thread because of your headline -- as you intended, no doubt. You are apparently a Maineman Oct 2015 #47
Yes, everyone is a "political operative." shenmue Oct 2015 #49
this isn't as intelligent as an operative. This is just plain ol' trolling. Oh well, they got us! :} retrowire Oct 2015 #59
What impresses me most is his non-existent approach to the crises in the Middle East.... George II Oct 2015 #48
Nice trolling! Because that's exactly what this is. Ha, you got us! retrowire Oct 2015 #56
It's a response to a similar thread. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #67
. retrowire Oct 2015 #96
Jury voted 0-7 to leave (though another jury certainly could go the other way) merrily Oct 2015 #70
Bernie did not vote for the worst blunder in US Military history Geronimoe Oct 2015 #62
Bernie voted for Afghan war, 1994 crime bill, and the gun industry. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #63
Problem with your citing the 1994 Crime Bill is that Hillary supported it very loudly: Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #74
HR Res 64. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #76
Like the GOP who says Hillary has accomplished nothing in her lifetime.. mountain grammy Oct 2015 #65
Hillary's plan for the Wall Street problem. jalan48 Oct 2015 #66
Perhaps try doing some research before posting. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #68
How about, "Cut it out Goldman Sachs!"? jalan48 Oct 2015 #69
yep she'll take just as tough a line as their campaign contributions will allow azurnoir Oct 2015 #84
Bernie enid602 Oct 2015 #71
Very dishonest post. Vattel Oct 2015 #79
Because pretense is easier. bvf Oct 2015 #93
I like the way he shouts constantly and then say that shouting won't change anything! Walk away Oct 2015 #80
LOL!! I noticed that too. His gun control agenda R B Garr Oct 2015 #88
When he said that at the debate both my cell phones and my home office line went crazy.... Walk away Oct 2015 #95
LOL SunSeeker Oct 2015 #92
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #99
Not surprised... "switching" is what Hillary does best too n/t whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #100
This op reminds me of DonCoquixote Oct 2015 #101
I'm sure your non-existent candidate will beat... John Poet Oct 2015 #106
Hillary doesn't do much that you can post about does she? Autumn Oct 2015 #107

boston bean

(36,220 posts)
2. REVOLUTION BABY!!!! EVERYTHING IS CORRUPT and BOUGHT AND PAID FOR!!!
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:47 AM
Oct 2015

EVERYTHING EVERYTHING SUCKS!

Give me an O
Give me an L
Give me an I
Give me a G
Give me an A
Give me an R
Give me a C
Give me an H
Give me a Y

What do you got? OLIGARCHY OLIGARCHY OLIGARCHY!!!!! Say it again, OLIGARCHY!

And when you finish spouting that, start over again!

treestar

(82,383 posts)
98. Are they really beholden?
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 02:25 PM
Oct 2015

Say they vote for more regulations of the oligarchs. How do the oligarchs let their displeasure be known? Has anyone ever lost an election that can be traced to no funding from previous funders due to a particular vote?

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
103. I don't know of any politicians who have stood up to the interests of the people who funded them.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 03:44 PM
Oct 2015

Is the ever evolving Hillary the one who will do it?

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
57. Don't forget the eeeevil cOrPoRaShUnZ!!!!!!!!!!"
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:51 AM
Oct 2015

They steal your spam right off their websites after you spend all night putting that shit up in the polls!!!!

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
3. +1, All he has to say is "we have to", "we must" & "we will". No need for plans cause the GOP has...
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:49 AM
Oct 2015

... always shown the willingness to do what Americans want them to do... not

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
11. Dennis Miller:another person who didn't understand that basic truth.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:00 AM
Oct 2015

The powerful (and their hangers-on) heaping ridicule on the less powerful just isn't funny.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
7. Maybe you should switch.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:52 AM
Oct 2015

Telling them to 'Cut it Out' was obviously not effective.

Here are just a few examples of how he has gotten things done in the House --

Here are a few examples of the amendments Sanders passed by building unusual but effective coalitions:

Corporate Crime Accountability (February 1995): A Sanders amendment to the Victims Justice Act of 1995 required “offenders who are convicted of fraud and other white-collar crimes to give notice to victims and other persons in cases where there are multiple victims eligible to receive restitution.”

Saving Money, for Colleges and Taxpayers (April 1998): In an amendment to H.R. 6, the Higher Education Amendments of 1998, Sanders made a change to the law that allowed the Fund for the Improvement of Postsecondary Education to make competitive grants available to colleges and universities that cooperated to reduce costs through joint purchases of goods and services.

Holding IRS Accountable, Protecting Pensions (July 2002): Sanders' amendment to the Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act of 2003 stopped the IRS from being able to use funds that “violate current pension age discrimination laws.” Although he faced stiff GOP opposition, his amendment still succeeded along a 308 to 121 vote.

Expanding Free Health Care (November 2001): You wouldn't think Republicans would agree to an expansion of funds for community health centers, which provide some free services. But Sanders was able to win a $100 million increase in funding with an amendment.

Getting Tough On Child Labor (July 2001): A Sanders amendment to the general appropriations bill prohibited the importation of goods made with child labor.

Increasing Funding for Heating for the Poor (September 2004): Sanders won a $22 million increase for the low-income home energy assistance program and related weatherization assistance program.

Fighting Corporate Welfare and Protecting Against Nuclear Disasters (June 2005): A Sanders amendment brought together a bipartisan coalition that outnumbered a bipartisan coalition on the other side to successfully prohibit the Export-Import Bank from providing loans for nuclear projects in China.


and in the Senate --

Greening the U.S. Government (June 2007): A Sanders amendment made a change to the law so at least 30 percent of the hot water demand in newer federal buildings is provided through solar water heaters.

Protecting Our Troops (October 2007): Sanders used an amendment to win $10 million for operation and maintenance of the Army National Guard, which had been stretched thin and overextended by the war in Iraq.

Restricting the Bailout to Protect U.S. Workers (Feburary 2009): A Sanders amendment required the banking bailout to utilize stricter H-1B hiring standards to ensure bailout funds weren't used to displace American workers.

Helping Veterans' Kids (July 2009): A Sanders amendment required the Comptroller General to put together comprehensive reporting on financial assistance for child care available to parents in the Armed Forces.

Exposing Corruption in the Military-Industrial Complex (November 2012): A Sanders amendment required “public availability of the database of senior Department officials seeking employment with defense contractors” – an important step toward transparency that revealed the corruption of the revolving door in action.

Support for Treating Autism in Military Health Care: Sanders worked with Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) to pass an amendment by a vote of 66-29 ensuring that the military's TRICARE system would be able to treat autism.


http://act.alternet.org/go/65004?t=2&akid=13584.319429.egZCV1

All this without 'triangulation', without 'purpling', and without catchy little meaningless phrases like 'Cut it out'.
 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
12. So she made two speeches, but got nothing passed.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:01 AM
Oct 2015

Isn't that what y'all keep projecting on to Sanders?

That he just gesticulates wildly, gives angry speeches, but accomplishes nothing?

Yet, here is a list that proves y'all to be wrong.

Your comeback?

Well, Clinton made a speech but got nothing passed. This is comedy gold! Thanks for brightening my Saturday morning!

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
16. Did you miss that the speeches
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:10 AM
Oct 2015

have preceded actual legislative accomplishments.

Do go back and read my post again and the accompanying link.

I think you must have skipped over it in your zealous attempt to try and get a gotcha zinger in on me.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
18. No, Bean, you did.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:21 AM
Oct 2015

Now I am not surprised. And I am quite certain that it is willful on your part.

But I did present facts which show he does have legislative prowess.

You can not counter the fact, so as per your usual MO, you will make a condescending non-post instead.

You are rather predictable.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
19. I'll take her at her word
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:26 AM
Oct 2015

That she missed nothing would imply she doesn't care about the accuracy of her assertions.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
72. Find bills and amendments that Hillary wrote that got passed.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:08 PM
Oct 2015

Not "co-sponsored." Wrote and got passed into law. (Adding your name to someone else's bill, meh. Bills can have over 100 co-sponsors.) Now deduct the ceremonial bills, like the ones about the remembering the Revolutionary War and Harriet Tubman or naming a federal building. What do you have?

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
29. Yet, Sanders was able to accomplish
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:01 AM
Oct 2015

so much without those.

Let's see. Track record of accomplishments minus the status quo endorsements? Or 'Cut it out!' with the status quo endorsements?

I know which I choose.

thesquanderer

(11,982 posts)
58. Dems in the senate and house will mostly back the agenda...
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:51 AM
Oct 2015

...of whichever Democratic candidate ends up in the White House.

Just as the congresspeople who endorsed Hillary in 2008 worked with Obama when he was elected.

mountain grammy

(26,614 posts)
50. He's been a working representative for many years..
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:37 AM
Oct 2015

actually working in our Congress to represent constituents. For anyone to say he has no ideas or solutions, really? Thank you for posting this. Bernie Sanders has a record. To ignore it is to be Republican.

George II

(67,782 posts)
55. All that in 25 years!
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:48 AM
Oct 2015

Now, with all those amendments, were any of the bills he "amended" passed?

How about introducing legislation, not just riding on the coattails of legislators who wrote and introduced legislation?

From your examples I agree, he's a great follower, not a leader.

thesquanderer

(11,982 posts)
94. Yes, and more
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 01:20 PM
Oct 2015

re: your question, "Now, with all those amendments, were any of the bills he 'amended' passed? " -- If you had merely clicked the link provided, you would have seen that everything mentioned there was passed.

Again, the link is http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you which also included this...


While Sanders was an amendment king who was able to bring bipartisan coalitions together to make serious changes to laws, he also knew how to be a thorn in the side of the establishment until it offered up something in return. Sanders was able to get the first-ever audit of funds given out by the Federal Reserve, which made transparent over $2 trillion of funds handed out by the secretive organization. This was a cause that Republican congressman Ron Paul (TX) had been pursuing for decades, but Sanders was able to get the votes to do it by forging a compromise that required an audit for the bailout period alone.

When the Affordable Care Act was in danger of not having the votes to pass, Sanders used his leverage to win enough funding for free health treatment for 10 million Americans through Community Health Centers. This gutsy move—holding out until the funds were put into the bill—has even Republican members of Congress requesting the funds, which have helped millions of Americans who otherwise would not have access.

Another moment came when Sanders, who was then chair of the Veterans committee, worked with Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), to overhaul the Veterans Administration. McCain praised Sanders' work on the bill in an interview with National Journal. Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI) even went so far as to say the bill would never have passed without Sanders' ability to bring the parties to a deal.


For more detail on ACA, see https://theintercept.com/2015/07/06/gop-senators-support-sanders-obamacare-expansion/

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
54. Huh
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:46 AM
Oct 2015
40. Nothing about Janey

-JacknGreen



8. Response to JaneyVee (Original post)Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:56 AM



In Nov 2016 you will be voting for Bernie

-Rosa Luxemburg

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
13. And as President, his first order of business
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:02 AM
Oct 2015

Would be to make sure those on-line polls get the respect they deserve!

TBF

(32,041 posts)
15. Wall Street
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:08 AM
Oct 2015

The Robin Hood Tax swooped into America’s national spotlight when presidential contender Sen. Bernie Sanders joined with National Nurses United and student groups in Washington, D.C. at a press conference today to announce his introduction of two Senate bills - the College for All Act and the Robin Hood tax bill that would levy a small tax on Wall Street financial transactions in order to fund free tuition at every public college and university in the United States, as well as slash interest rates on existing student loans.

The College for All Act and the Robin Hood Tax would set a 0.5 percent tax on most stock transactions, and a lesser tax on bond and derivative trades. Such a tax has been championed for years by NNU, the country’s largest organization of registered nurses, and other healthcare and climate change groups and is already in effect in more than 40 countries around the world, including Britain, Germany, Switzerland, and China. A similar Robin Hood Tax bill, H.R. 1464, introduced by Rep. Keith Ellison, is pending in the House of Representatives. The tax is estimated to raise about $300 billion per year to fund programs such as free higher education, healthcare for all, and a reversal of climate change.

http://www.robinhoodtax.org/news/blog/sen-bernie-sanders-officially-introduces-robin-hood-tax-act

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
22. I will be waiting with baited breath...not.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:49 AM
Oct 2015

Which is why I'm so glad Hillary will be our next President!

longship

(40,416 posts)
23. Hopeless rubbish.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:49 AM
Oct 2015

I have no dog in this hunt. But I will call out bullshit when it raises its head.

This post is bullshit.

Just like many of the anti-Hillary posts here are bullshit.

Children, behave for once. We have months until the primaries and over a year until the election. Please try to behave like adults.

Thank you.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
32. I am sure the Sanders campaign will welcome your helpful input
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:08 AM
Oct 2015

But I'd suggest you not tell them that you've chosen to say he has no plans for anything without bothering to do any research into his actual record of legislative actions, proposals, speeches, writings, appearance at hearings, executive performance as Mayor, etc.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
41. "You can lead a horse to water...."
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:24 AM
Oct 2015

Your demand for a link reminds me of the old phrase :You can lead a horse to water but you can;t make them drink."

I really couldn't care less whether you agree or disagree with Sanders policies. That's fine. Variety is the spice of life.

But you are totally full of shit with these repeated claims that he has no specifics, simply because his campaign has not issued a 300 page "white paper" filled with micropolicies that no one reads and which always get tossed into the waste basket after election day.

His campaign has issued basic proposals. And people here have given plenty of information about specifics.

More important, there is ample information about what you claim to want to know out there already.

I'm too busy to waste time leading you to water you wonlt bother to drink.





 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
53. Nope. Done this too many times on DU
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:41 AM
Oct 2015

A waste of time. I'm not going to take the time to dig out links to prove the sun rises in the east either.

There is this thing called Google. It' a wonderful tool. There are otehr wonderful tools out there.


 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
87. Nope. Don't care whether it likes the water. Just doesn't want to waste time....
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:39 PM
Oct 2015

....trying to demonstrate to the horse of the existence of water.


kjones

(1,053 posts)
85. Thank you
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:33 PM
Oct 2015

The "Just Google it, stupid" types of responses always annoy me, regardless of who they come from.
One of the purposes of DU is sharing information, and it's never a bad thing to share that information
freely, no matter how easily it can be found. That's why there are "knock on door" campaigns. You'll
catch more flies with honey than vinegar...and a lot more if you bring that honey right to their door.

I think everybody all around on DU needs a good vacation...I do.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
89. But when points have been explained many times....
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:41 PM
Oct 2015

it gets tiresome trying to explain that the sun rises in the east yet again.



 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
35. Good for you! Because HRC is a Patriot-Act loving, Pro-Iraq Warrior who LOVED the TPP ...
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:14 AM
Oct 2015

( before she didn't), and probably cannot even decide what to have for breakfast without consulting a focus-group....
Oh, you really haven't switched? Not to worry- plenty of time left for you to get it right, and...

Feel The Bern!!

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
36. Weren't you for Bernie before you were against him?
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:16 AM
Oct 2015

Didn't your sig line used to read:

Bernie Sanders 2016 Fuck yeah

Before Bad Bernie Supporters made a bunch of Good Bernie Supporters switch to Hillary?

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
42. That doesn't follow from your previous sig line. But
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:25 AM
Oct 2015

let me ask another question: looking back, which "plans" that a Presidential candidate ran on, then enacted, are your favorites?

Your top three should suffice, thanks.

Of course, I think that these don't exist, at least within the past few decades - but I look forward to your showing me otherwise.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
37. Bernie has no intention of becomeing President. He wants to drive the country left by taking money
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:17 AM
Oct 2015

from supporters and running a faux campaign. He will drop out when the well runs dry. The debate made that clear.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
83. think again
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:25 PM
Oct 2015

n the third quarter, only 17 percent of Clinton’s cash came from donors who gave $200 or less. By contrast, donors who gave the maximum donation of $2,700 for the primary election ― and who, as such, won’t be able to donate again in the primary ― provided more than 50 percent of the former secretary of state’s haul.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-fec-filing-cash-flow-problem-214870#ixzz3oqKqbJn6

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
75. Yeah, his ego seems to be his main motivation.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:11 PM
Oct 2015

If he was so serious, he would have started this process YEARS ago.

Maineman

(854 posts)
47. I clicked on this thread because of your headline -- as you intended, no doubt. You are apparently a
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:32 AM
Oct 2015

political operative. I lack respect for your smart ass tactic.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
59. this isn't as intelligent as an operative. This is just plain ol' trolling. Oh well, they got us! :}
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:53 AM
Oct 2015

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George II

(67,782 posts)
48. What impresses me most is his non-existent approach to the crises in the Middle East....
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:33 AM
Oct 2015

..and Russia/Ukraine.

Those alone are worth my vote.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
56. Nice trolling! Because that's exactly what this is. Ha, you got us!
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:50 AM
Oct 2015

That said, I'm switching to Hillary!

Her "crossing fingers behind my back" plan to control Wall st will show them who's boss! "Cut it out guys teehee!"

Her focus on Climate Change when she said the biggest threat to America was Nuclear war! Ahh war! teehee!

Her plan to fight economic inequality also has crossed fingers behind her back because no "Expand" is a much more committed word than "Enhance" lmao

Her plan to tackle gun control is the same as O'Malley's and Bernie's so....

Her immigration plan is also vague.

Thank god for vague, sneaky politicians.

Go Hillary!

LMAO

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merrily

(45,251 posts)
70. Jury voted 0-7 to leave (though another jury certainly could go the other way)
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:03 PM
Oct 2015

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Stop wasting our time with these frivolous alerts!
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: retrowire did not call Janey Vee a troll. He said she was trolling. Trolling is a behavior and often in the eye of the beholder.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's no worse than the OP.

 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
62. Bernie did not vote for the worst blunder in US Military history
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:57 AM
Oct 2015

Unlike Hillary who did. Until she faced the voters in her 2008 campaign she refused to admit she was wrong until Iowans proved she wasn't going to get their votes.

Bernie was also correct on the patriot act and on not bailing out the Banksters. The banks should have been broken up and management replaced.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
74. Problem with your citing the 1994 Crime Bill is that Hillary supported it very loudly:
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:10 PM
Oct 2015

"There will be more police on the street, a hundred thousand more police officers, with flexibility given to local communities to determine how best to use them. We will be able to say, loudly and clearly, that for repeat, violent, criminal offenders — three strikes and you’re out. We are tired of putting you back in through the revolving door.
So all in all, this crime bill tries to take a bottoms-up approach, because it is built on the experience of people who have actually been there, people like yourselves."
Hillary Clinton in 1994

Also of course, Hillary voted for both Afghanistan and Iraqi wars. If the one is bad, the both is worse.

It's best not to criticize your rivals for things you also did. That seems self evident, but apparently it is not.

mountain grammy

(26,614 posts)
65. Like the GOP who says Hillary has accomplished nothing in her lifetime..
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:00 PM
Oct 2015

Please tell us you are being sarcastic, because the Krugman column you link to says none of the above.

enid602

(8,610 posts)
71. Bernie
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:06 PM
Oct 2015

It's amazing that he can do all these things, and provide universal Medicare, without cost! He's a real multi tasker.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
79. Very dishonest post.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:17 PM
Oct 2015

Bernie's plans are not difficult to find. Why not criticize them instead of pretending that they don't exist?

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
80. I like the way he shouts constantly and then say that shouting won't change anything!
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:19 PM
Oct 2015

That kind of loud and bizarre logic is just what I'm looking for in a Commander and Chief!

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
88. LOL!! I noticed that too. His gun control agenda
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:40 PM
Oct 2015

is...Quit Shouting.

I'm sure his supporters think that's fine. Double standards and all.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
95. When he said that at the debate both my cell phones and my home office line went crazy....
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 01:27 PM
Oct 2015

with people calling me to laugh about it. Now, whenever any of us can't decide what to order for lunch or we're arguing about what to have for dinner someone invariably yells... "SHOUTING WON'T HELP". Too funny!

P.S. Please, let's have more debates! The country wants to hear Bernie shout out his stump speech again!

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
101. This op reminds me of
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 02:35 PM
Oct 2015

the half hour comedy hour on Fox, which was it';s attempt to counter the Daily Show. The "humor" these folks produced only reminded you that yes, the opposition was not only clueless, but not even funny.

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