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DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:43 AM Oct 2015

Dead Iraqis per Senator: this metric should be worn on lapel pins

If the US Senate hadn't voted to let George W Bush start a war against Iraq, masses of Iraqis would not have been killed in our name. But the Senate did permit this, and a lot of Iraqis were slaughtered. And a lot more Iraqis miss their babies, their parents, their loved ones, their homes.

But a lot of these useless Senators were proud of their votes, and I believe it'd be a decent idea to have them wear that twisted pride on the Senate floor. Each of the 77 Senators who voted for this world-wrecking clusterfuck is responsible for some certain number of dead Iraqi citizens. There's no doubt that some Senators bear more responsibility than others, but I don't know who to weight this, so they'll all get an equal share.

There's a lot of disagreement about how many Iraqis were killed after we decided to, well, to go kill them. Estimates range from a non-credible low of 151,000 to a high of 1,000,000. A more recent survey estimated 500,000. Whatever the right number is, almost all of them were civilians. And approximately 30% of these direct-war deaths were children (that is to say, not the children who died later of starvation or disease, or were violently killed--but not directly by US forces). So maybe we can work on adding maiming-count lapel pin or an "I created a million refugees" pina , but I want to start with the war deaths first.

All we have left to do before we commission the manufacture of the lapel pins is to come up with our best guess for the number of war dead.

For 151,000 dead, the pin will read, "I got 1961 Iraqis killed--and 588 of them were kids!"

For 500,000 dead, the pin will read, "I got 6494 Iraqis killed--and 1948 of them were kids!"

For 1,000,000 dead, the pin will read, "I got 12,987 Iraqis killed--and 3896 of them were kids!"

And yes, I see it too--we'll have a hard time fitting all of this onto lapel pins. Maybe we can just list the two numbers, one over the other. A second issue--It could be that not all of the Senators who were proud to vote for the war would be as proud to wear their lapel pins. And a final problem is that some of those Senators have moved on from the Senate to do other things--and they'd have to wear their pins voluntarily since my hypothetical presupposes a Senate rule, which won't cover ex-senators.

But as to the 23 who voted against the war, I'd like to offer them my support. As Hillary Clinton said in 2007, "If the most important thing to any of you is choosing someone who did not cast that vote or has said his vote was a mistake, then there are others to choose from". Bernie Sanders, while not in the Senate at the time, voted against the war in the House. This is the person I have chosen to receive my vote for President.

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Dead Iraqis per Senator: this metric should be worn on lapel pins (Original Post) DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 OP
real life baby killers reddread Oct 2015 #1
Lame excuse; It was a mistake. SamKnause Oct 2015 #2
Talk is cheap. Why not get the ball rolling by manufacturing oasis Oct 2015 #3
Free Republic is that-a-way -> reddread Oct 2015 #4
I don't think freepers are still obsessed with the Iraq War. oasis Oct 2015 #7
right wing conservative snark is right wing conservative snark reddread Oct 2015 #9
Right wing snark, left wing snark. You led off the snarkfest oasis Oct 2015 #13
snark's a mystery you dont understand? reddread Oct 2015 #15
Congrats, you've mastered the "mystery" of snark. oasis Oct 2015 #16
You'll note that I didn't mention party affiliation. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #10
If you hate cancer so much, why don't you cure it? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #5
It made just as much sense as the OP. oasis Oct 2015 #11
My point was made to those who don't have an agenda requiring them not to get the point. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #14
And Afghanistan, Kosovo, Somalia, etc. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #6
Do tell. Was the war on the nation of etc based on lies we all knew about at the time? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #8
apparently the gene for right and wrong cognizance is not ubiquitous reddread Oct 2015 #12
if hillary had voted against the IRW you wouldnt give a hoot about this issue. nt msongs Oct 2015 #17
So I marched against the war every other weekend in anticipation of hurting Clinton politically. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #18
musta struck a nerve to launch such a personal attack lol nt msongs Oct 2015 #19
Go laugh somewhere else. Seriously, what's wrong with you? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #20
 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
1. real life baby killers
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:47 AM
Oct 2015

not that the children, men and women whose lives were taken or ruined mean less.
can you believe how blithely political prostitutes can behave?

SamKnause

(13,088 posts)
2. Lame excuse; It was a mistake.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:50 AM
Oct 2015

No it was not !!!!

A mistake is getting the date of an event wrong, or choosing the wrong

outfit for an event.

This was a decision that costs the lives of many, orphaned children, and destroyed

the lives of hundreds of thousands of people.

If you voted for the war I have to question your decision making

skills and your critical thinking.

oasis

(49,339 posts)
3. Talk is cheap. Why not get the ball rolling by manufacturing
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:59 AM
Oct 2015

the pins and sending them out to the senators on your own?

oasis

(49,339 posts)
7. I don't think freepers are still obsessed with the Iraq War.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:09 AM
Oct 2015

They definitely are not concerned about Democrats in congress who voted for the resolution.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
9. right wing conservative snark is right wing conservative snark
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:12 AM
Oct 2015

put any letter/candidate you want next to it.

oasis

(49,339 posts)
13. Right wing snark, left wing snark. You led off the snarkfest
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:23 AM
Oct 2015

So it's only fitting that you sort out the snarks and put them in their proper categories.

Anyway I'm done here. Have a nice day.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
10. You'll note that I didn't mention party affiliation.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:13 AM
Oct 2015

The Republicans do share more blame for this vote. Not as many Democratic senators were either as stupid or as calculating as the vast majority of Republicans (btw, thanks, Linc, for keeping it below 100% on the GOP side).

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
5. If you hate cancer so much, why don't you cure it?
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:05 AM
Oct 2015

I'd like to welcome you to try responding to the OP again. Your first attempt was not coherent.

oasis

(49,339 posts)
11. It made just as much sense as the OP.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:14 AM
Oct 2015

Now, how about getting to work on those lapel pins instead of wasting time writing about how nice it would be if we had them?

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
14. My point was made to those who don't have an agenda requiring them not to get the point.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:23 AM
Oct 2015

Life is so much easier when you don't have to hobble yourself. Ponder.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
6. And Afghanistan, Kosovo, Somalia, etc.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:07 AM
Oct 2015

Bernie voted yes on all of those. Oh and HR Res 64. How about lapel pins for gun deaths as well.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
8. Do tell. Was the war on the nation of etc based on lies we all knew about at the time?
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:09 AM
Oct 2015

Or are you trying to make the claim that the world is binary and that a senator must either be for all wars or against all wars? Because if you are, I'm not going to have discourse at that level.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
12. apparently the gene for right and wrong cognizance is not ubiquitous
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:16 AM
Oct 2015

some posters make that pretty clear.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
18. So I marched against the war every other weekend in anticipation of hurting Clinton politically.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 01:25 PM
Oct 2015

What kind of person would posit nonsense like this? Oh right, either a clueless idiot or someone who doesn't mind half a million dead people if that's the cost of winning. Direct your filth to someone with so little self esteem that they'll listen to you. To be charitable about it, you don't have any fucking idea what you're talking about. If you do, you're a danger to others.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
20. Go laugh somewhere else. Seriously, what's wrong with you?
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 01:33 PM
Oct 2015

You just let me and everyone else know you care nothing about people slaughtered in a war, as long as your war candidate prevails.

You're a very sick person. You're a vile person.

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