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MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:15 AM Oct 2015

How Many Debates? Opinion on That Could Change.

Calls for more than six debates before the Democratic primaries have been constant. All such calls are based on a belief that more debates will benefit some candidate in some way. That's not necessarily true, though.

We've had one. Supporters of Bernie Sanders are claiming that he won the debate, based on online polling taken the night of the debate. Clinton supporters are pointing at polling done after the debates and saying that she won.

Next week, we'll have a different set of polls to look at - polls that try to measure voter intentions. What those polls show will provide some evidence of the effect of the debates and the press coverage of those debates on voters. That's far more important than questions about who won or didn't win.

Odds are, in my opinion, that Hillary Clinton gets a bump in those polls and widens the gap between her and Sanders. If that happens, the second debate will be very interesting. If Clinton gets an additional bump following that debate, I think the discussion will change. If the third debate leads to even more improvement in Clinton's polling numbers, the call for more debates will suddenly go silent.

The idea that more polls are good for candidates who are behind is questionable, and a trend will develop after three debates have taken place. If that trend is in favor of the leading candidate, it is unlikely that additional debates will change the trend. A single debate isn't enough to show a trend. That takes a couple more of them that show the same result, more or less.

Each debate attracts some new viewers, but it's mostly politically savvy and interested people who watch these debates. For the vast majority of voters, they just aren't that interesting. After three or four primary debates, the viewer numbers will begin to flag, with only the most dedicated people tuning in for the remaining ones.

The trend will develop or not. If it does, there will be more clarity about the state of the Democratic primary races. No amount of online discussion about debates will have much to do with polling results, frankly. The numbers just aren't high enough. A large majority of voters neither watch debates nor participate in any online discussion. They make their decisions based on other factors, many of which don't make a lot of political sense.

I remember watching the JFK-Nixon debates. Most voters did not watch them. Like today, they saw clips from them on the evening news on whatever network they preferred. What they saw was Nixon sweating and looking pale and anxious. That was what people took away from those two candidates debating. Appearances matter. News clips matter. Voters matter, whether or not they saw a debate.

Debates are overrated as a way to see how the campaigns are doing.

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How Many Debates? Opinion on That Could Change. (Original Post) MineralMan Oct 2015 OP
Debates are a boon to the party in general and a way for some of the.. aidbo Oct 2015 #1
I disagree. I think the General Election campaign debates are MineralMan Oct 2015 #3
This last one reached a record audience of 15 million people. aidbo Oct 2015 #5
Debates are needed to get the Progrssive word out, less debates benefit the GOP. TheBlackAdder Oct 2015 #2
Hmm.... MineralMan Oct 2015 #4
I look at more debates (and then more debate coverage) as... thesquanderer Oct 2015 #6
 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
1. Debates are a boon to the party in general and a way for some of the..
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:48 AM
Oct 2015

..lesser know candidates to let their voices be heard. Most people know and have made their minds up about Hillary, but Sanders O'Malley Webb Chafee and dare I say Lessig deserve more chances to be seen by the American people.

Debates are also a forum where the Democratc agenda for America can be contrasted with the Republican plan to ruin all that is good and beautiful about America.

I can understand the DNC wanting to keep the debates to a minimum to keep from impacting the candidates' rigorous campaign schedule. But the exclusivity clause is very restrictive and under handed IMO.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
3. I disagree. I think the General Election campaign debates are
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:53 AM
Oct 2015

very important. The primary debates? Not so much. They'll be a source of soundbites for the nominee and his or her opponent, but nobody will remember them by next November. The vast majority of voters will have seen none of the debates - only soundbites and clips.

I just don't see the usefulness of lots of primary debates. In the 2008 year, I watched only one or two of the primary debates. Who has time for more. I decided to support Obama very early. Why would I watch more debates? That's my point in this thread, really.

I don't care how many debates there are for the primaries. I'll watch the first couple or three, but then I'll quit watching them, no matter how many there are. I'll be watching the genuine polls, though. Not online polls, of course. They're useless.

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
5. This last one reached a record audience of 15 million people.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:04 PM
Oct 2015

And it was at the same time as some big baseball game. That means the Democrats reached a huge audience, but still have a huge pool of people who didn't see it. You get bored watching debates because you've made your mind up, that's ok don't watch.

What about the exclusivity? Do you think that it's fair to the lesser known candidates that they can't arrange something on their own, or go to a debate that was arranged by another organization for fear that they would be locked out of the 'official' debates? I don't think it is fair.

TheBlackAdder

(28,182 posts)
2. Debates are needed to get the Progrssive word out, less debates benefit the GOP.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:50 AM
Oct 2015

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These debates need to be aired on a TV network that is not subscriber-based, for full access!


Staging debates on holiday weeks or subscriber channels are just ways to suppress the Democrats message.

Again, this acquiesces power to the GOP--giving them the lion's share of network coverage!


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I would be very leery of someone who feels OK with the current debate schedule and structure.


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MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
4. Hmm....
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:55 AM
Oct 2015

As my OP says, debates do not always benefit candidates who are not the leader. You think they'll get the progressive word out, but they also get all points of view out. Watch the polls. They'll tell you how the debates are affecting voter intentions. That's what to follow.

I don't really care how many debates there are. I can't see how more debates will alter the course of the primary campaign, frankly. Instead, they're more likely to simply reinforce what's already happening.

ETA: As far as Chafee, Webb or Lessig are concerned, more debates will only cement the idea that those candidates are not of any interest at all. This primary race is between Clinton and Sanders. That's it. Nobody else matters, unless Joe Biden decides to run. If he does, then it will be a three-way race for the nomination. Those additional candidates are completely irrelevant already and just take time away from the leaders.

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
6. I look at more debates (and then more debate coverage) as...
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:19 PM
Oct 2015

...more free advertising for democratic ideas and for whoever will be the nominee in November.

I agree with you that it is questionable as to whether they more benefit one candidate or the other... but I think they do benefit the party as a whole.

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