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Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:55 AM Oct 2015

Sometimes Bernie Sanders sounds like a broken record...

I wish he could pivot a bit more deftly.

On the other hand Clinton sounds like a scratchy record with one speaker squeeling with feedback. I kid. I kid.

Seriously though I love me some Bernie but he has to be able to move laterally. I think the Bill Maher interview is a good example of this.

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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
1. Agreed, but then we listen to him more than others.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:58 AM
Oct 2015

I think that up to this point, Bernie's campaign has been trying to get him 'out there' to the people. He's been sticking to his core message because that's what works. But you're right, at some point he's going to have to become more conversational so to speak.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
3. The constant repetition of basic points is one of the reasons Republicans get through
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:01 PM
Oct 2015

to distracted voters--and most voters ARE busy and distracted.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
4. The Truth never changes, I love hearing it over and over again. Repetition is a fantastic teaching
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:03 PM
Oct 2015

tool, Bernie knows this.

People haven't heard truth like this in their entire lives so he has to keep repeating it until every not just HEARS it but remembers it.

Short memory span is a condition that can only be overcome in the population, by repetition.

Why do you think propaganda is repeated so often? 9/11, 9/11 'terror' etc.

I WANT him to keep repeating the facts. Since he's the only one doing it, he might need to do it even more.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
6. He needs to keep repeating it because people
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:18 PM
Oct 2015

Refuse to acknowledge their own government officials are corrupt.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
7. I agree with you but with mixed feelings
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:34 PM
Oct 2015

He;s saying things that has been stifled for decades in the media or political dialogue. Many people have never heard it spoken as directly. And the first step to acknowledge a problem is to acknowledge and diagnose it.And the first step towards solutions is to set goals.

So in that sense, the simplicity and repetition are necessary just to break through the noise.

However I also wish he were a little more nuanced and address it in different ways.

For example, universal healthcare (Medicare for all) is NOT free healthcare for everybody. Just bringing down costs and removing profit from the system is only part of it. People WILL have to pay for it. But instead of paying outrageous health insurance premiums, they'd be paying a much more reasonable tax and fees based on an affordable percentage of income. In othr words people will be paying for it, but paying less, and not have the discriminatory terms of private insurers.....AND, if one is a capitalist, it is good for business, because it would remove the burden of covering their employees.

In that sense, I agree with you that he should be less simplistic.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
8. Yes, so far Bernie has been "breaking through the noise."
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 01:31 PM
Oct 2015

His message goes against everything Americans have heard for decades. He delivers facts that have been successfully suppressed by the MSM and so are new to many Americans. So he has to state them , and state them simply, over and over until a tipping point is reached. But for those of us who've heard it a few times, it's repetitive.

Already, the righties (and I count Hillary supporters as righties) are starting to mimic and ridicule his message and style. So yes, he will need to draw on whatever capacity he has for presentational flexibility.

It's ironic that his main competitor is ALL style, while he is ALL substance.

I suspect he wasn't born with a terrific amount of personal interactive flexibility; he says what he truly believes -- which is part of what we like about him. But I've noticed him improving recently. He must be getting at least some professional advice, and he keeps learning. He's an intelligent man, he's determined and motivated.

He's our only hope at this point -- our only hope of radical change that will restore and protect the American people and the people (and animals, and plants) of this planet. What a HUGE responsibility we're laying on this good-souled 73 year old man. I hope to God he's getting at least a tenth of the professional and psychological support, buffeting, polishing, enhancing, comforting, encouraging, building up that Hillary gets every day. He needs so much support on every level if he's to take on the biggest, most evil powers on earth.

Sounds like hyperbole, doesn't it? But it's not -- and that's a little frightening to contemplate.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
10. Not if it's only the first or second time you've ever heard him.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 02:36 PM
Oct 2015

Bernie's campaign is attempting to get his core message out to people who don't even know he exists or who know vaguely who he is, but not much about him.

He's pivoting his campaign somewhat, now. He's moving toward smaller and more influential venues focusing on people who are savvy and proven volunteers and people who know how to work within the confines of their local political structures. Hillary has a lot over Bernie on this important aspect of campaigning. He has ground to make up, but the enthusiasm that surrounds him will help to make up some of that ground.

Seriously, he has some really good people working for him. He's made some excellent hires.

The one thing I am worried about is that young people don't understand the primary process. They've either never voted in a primary or voted in so few that they don't really understand how it works. Heaven knows civics is no longer taught well, if at all, in high school, so many of these people are flying blind.

I think the Sanders campaign needs to devote a significant amount of time and money on educating the Millennials (and others) about how to vote in a caucus and about when to vote in the primary. I've seen far too many posts on social media from these young people who think they don't even have to vote for Bernie until November 2016. By then, it will be too late.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
12. He HAS TO keep repeating himself! Look at how many still vote for TEABAGGERS! And Repub candidates
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 02:50 PM
Oct 2015

and want to vote for The Hillary after she has voted for the IWR, The Patriot Act, The Bankruptcy Bill, while she supports and takes money from PRISONS for PROFIT, when some of her BFF's are Wall St. THIEVES who stole $12.8 TRILLION from Main St. America, she helped MILITARIZE our police departments, she's against legalizing marijuana, she supports the TPP after this country has bled 60,000 manufacturing factories because of her husband's NAFTA trade agreement, and, and, and....the list goes on, so yes, he needs to drum it into their heads that they are voting against their own best interests.

Maybe if he repeats it often enough, they'll understand it. One can only hope.

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