2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum6 Signs That Show the New Hillary Is Still the Old Hillary
Well, this is rather eye opening.
Obviously I am supporting Bernie and this is just a list of of *some* reasons why I am. I simply don't understand why her supporters are giving her a pass, I don't. There are serious issues here which call into question her authenticity and her motives, yet she's given a pass like none of these things every happens.
No, I don't get it.
I am really cutting this article down a great deal so if you want to read it all please check the link. It's eye opening.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/six-signs-show-new-hillary-still-old-hillary
1. Expanding Social Security. (sic) As Poole wrote, What alarmed Social Security activists is that underneath Clintons positive languagefully support, enhance appears to lie support for policies, including from leading conservatives like Pete Petersonthat would actually undermine Social Security. Republican Paul Ryan, the House Ways and Means Committee chair, uses the same language to protest the poorest people, but would reduce benefits for the top 70 percent of wage earners while maintaining benefits for the bottom 30 percent, Poole said. The last thing we need right now is to fear a Trojan horse from a presidential candidate who says she fully supports Social Security.
2. Wall Street reformer? (sic) Shes sort of talking out of both sides of her mouth: She wants to go against Wall Street, but she wont support [reviving] Glass-Steagall, Stein said. Glass-Steagall being the law that separated speculative banking from everyday consumer banking and prevents banks from taking risks at consumers burden it prevents bailouts from going forward. So, you know, Glass-Steagall was repealed under the Clinton administration and needs to be brought back. But Senator Clinton does not support it.
3. Criminal justice and prison reformer? During one of the few exchanges on criminal justicewhen legalizing marijuana came upClinton said, We have got to stop imprisoning people We need more states, cities, and the federal government to begin to address this so that we don't have this terrible result that Senator Sanders was talking about where we have a huge population in our prisons for nonviolent, low-level offenses that are primarily due to marijuana. According to the Marshall Project, an investigative journalism website tracking criminal justice, only a very small percentage of prison overcrowding is due to nonviolent drug offenses. In 2014, only 3.6 percent of people in state prison were there for drug offenses, and 0.3 percent were in federal prison for pot. As TPMs Dana Goldstein pointed out, any attempt to cut incarceration by as much as 50 percentthe target of some reformerswill require shorter sentences not just for marijuana, not just for drugs, and not just for crimes considered nonviolent, the Marshall Project wrote. But thats not an easy sell during a highly competitive campaign season.
4. Its not just those "damn emails." As Sanders said, enough with covering her use of a private email server while Secretary of State. When asked, Clinton replied, What I did was allowed by the State Department. But FactCheck.org has repeatedly noted http://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/factchecking-the-democratic-debate/ thats not the full story, saying she didnt follow the rules on turning over her records for nearly two years after she left office.
5. The outsider: really? It's hard to believe that one of the world's most famous and powerful women sees herself as an outsider in the race. But she does, rejecting moderator Anderson Coopers contention that she was asking Democrats to vote for an insider. Clinton replied, Well, I cant think of anything that's more outsider than electing the first woman president, but Im not just running because I would be the first woman president. Im running because I have a lifetime of experience and getting results and fighting for people, fighting for kids, for women, for families, fighting to even the odds. Everybody knows Clinton would be the first woman presidentit was one of her top rallying points in 2008. And for many women who grew up with her in the 1970s and '80s, this is very compelling: they are tired of waiting for their turn to be in power. But other feminists feel its an insufficient selling point, and more yesterday than today.
6. The Trans-Pacific Partnership. At the debate, Cooper cited how Clinton had revised her position on the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement and asked, Will you say anything to get elected?" She replied no, saying she hoped the TPP would be a gold standard but the final just-released document did not meet her standards. FactCheck.org, which traces candidate's positions and records, said that Clinton has solidly supported the TPP for a long time. It quoted her remarks from Australia in 2012: This TPP sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent, fair trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field. http://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/factchecking-the-democratic-debate/ They cited similar remarks days later in Singapore, but noted that she reserved final judgment in her 2014 book, Hard Choices. Clinton wasnt qualifying her support for the plan back in 2012," they wrote. "She didnt say she hoped it would be a gold standard. She said it was a gold standard.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)aidbo
(2,328 posts)Dog whistle for means testing. IMO
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)DhhD
(4,695 posts)Sanders and Warren want to provide for free while Trump pays a larger tax so the People's kids can go to college.
aidbo
(2,328 posts)The point of a free public school system is that anyone can take advantage of it regardless of their income level.
Bernie wants to extend that free public education from K through 12 to K through Public college.
This article talks mostly about means testing for Social Security and Medicare, but is informative.
At their heart, programs like Medicare and Social Security are about fairness, equality and shared citizenship, values that progressive Americans hold dear.
Medicare and Social Security are not welfare programs. They are benefits that people pay for as they work. They are also smart social insurance programs that spread risk across society in order to protect everyone at rates no private insurance scheme, with its much smaller risk pool, could touch.
When I spoke to Joseph Stiglitz, he discussed the idea that means-testing is mean. Programs like Medicare and Social Security, he explained, are matters of political economy. They are important to social cohesion, where support comes from the fact that everybody is participating. We dont means-test public education, explained Stiglitz, because we believe that we want people to have the same opportunities and we lose out on that with means-testing. The same is true of our belief that everyone deserves a dignified retirement and adequate medical care in old age.
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/6-reasons-joseph-stiglitz-and-other-top-economists-think-means-testing-medicare
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Means testing social security is a right-wing dream come true.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Alernet is as liberal as you can get.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)shows the banality of Clinton supporters.
I harbor no "sour grapes" toward Clinton. I just can't trust her.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)That's because he can't. Snark is all they have.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Does this mean you don't have any honest answers to the post?
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)meant to mislead voters. Shame on her.
6chars
(3,967 posts)but if she is the nominee, are dems still going to be trying to show how bad she is?
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)At the moment, she's not the nominee, so why are you asking about a hypothetical future? Are you implying that criticism of any of the Democratic candidates is currently impermissible or inadvisable?
6chars
(3,967 posts)I don't see how what i said suggests the implication you ask about. i could just as well be implying that the moon is made of green cheese.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)yet I feel they don't understand why they choose her.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)is NO DEMOCRAT and unfit for any public office.
Duppers
(28,120 posts)http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Prisons_and_Drugs#sthash.OWRv5A3O.dpbs
So, isn't she and Bernie in agreement?
Perhaps I'm not understanding the point. I support Bernie, btw.
Rest of the article reads this (I only snipped it)
Also, there's this...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/24/1405229/-Private-Prison-Corporations-Stand-With-Hillary-Clinton