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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:24 PM Oct 2015

Labour is the Source of All Value. Electing Bernie Sanders is only step 1.

I highly recommend this video. Bernie opened the door to a discussion about economic populism. If our aim is a political revolution, we need to understand what Bernie means when he says we need a strong movement. And we don't have much time to get our act together with all the problems we're facing, the most catastrophic one being climate change.

Labour is the Source of All Value



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Labour is the Source of All Value. Electing Bernie Sanders is only step 1. (Original Post) Catherina Oct 2015 OP
Thank you Catherina. I really azmom Oct 2015 #1
Thank you Azmom! There are so many people here whose posts I appreciate Catherina Oct 2015 #2
This is very good. RoccoR5955 Oct 2015 #3
I'm happy you appreciated it. I thought it was very good too Catherina Oct 2015 #8
K&R. AND - Labor is an essential part of human life, while Capital... well, that's just Ron Green Oct 2015 #4
+1000. That exactly how I view it too. Catherina Oct 2015 #9
Lincoln, you old Marxist. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #5
It would be great it our school system taught Lincoln as he was Catherina Oct 2015 #16
Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Oct 2015 #6
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #7
Imagine an economic system called Laborism. Where actual work was rewarded properly! reformist2 Oct 2015 #10
Indeed. Imagine! But isn't that what the corrupt British Labor party was meant as? Catherina Oct 2015 #15
K & R. Outstanding post, thank you. appalachiablue Oct 2015 #11
K&R! Segami Oct 2015 #12
Great video Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #13
& explained to in a way that goes straight to the heart of the working man/woman Catherina Oct 2015 #18
Can't watch the vid with this junk computer... AOR Oct 2015 #14
Thanks. I hope you're able to watch it one day Catherina Oct 2015 #24
Bernie and Lincoln and Martin Luther King Jr all on the same page regarding this. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #17
It's mindbogglingly massive. Trillions and trillions Catherina Oct 2015 #25
It's shameful, even more that there is anyone calling themselves a Democrat who defends any sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #28
K&R! marym625 Oct 2015 #19
I don't know Mary, young people DO seem to get that economic equality is extremely important sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #21
I know that they understand the concept, just meant marym625 Oct 2015 #22
I agree it's difficult to grasp until it directly affects people personally. Young people are seeing sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #23
exactly marym625 Oct 2015 #29
I typed post 26 before reading this. +1 n/t Catherina Oct 2015 #31
I dunno, the millennials I've been running across seem surprisingly in-tune to this Catherina Oct 2015 #26
yes, I said that badly marym625 Oct 2015 #30
That's what I get for not reading all the replies before posting lol n/t Catherina Oct 2015 #32
no, totally my bad marym625 Oct 2015 #37
Love the Lincoln quote PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #20
I wish I could shrink it into a sigline n/t Catherina Oct 2015 #27
Send it to Bernie's campaign. That would be a bloody fantastic snagglepuss Oct 2015 #36
Good idea. And for supporter signs too. Thanks! n/t Catherina Oct 2015 #40
Odd how that isn't much quoted. In fact I this is the first snagglepuss Oct 2015 #33
+1. Instead we get global investment banks called "Lincoln Capital" n/t Catherina Oct 2015 #41
Huh? Kang Colby Oct 2015 #34
Enjoying your extended stay? PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #38
Are you? n/t Kang Colby Oct 2015 #44
You didn't even need to explain you're an OWS hater. It's quite clear n/t Catherina Oct 2015 #39
Thankfully the people are moving to a candidate who represents THEM. This election is sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #43
Thanks Catherina! haikugal Oct 2015 #35
I noticed that too! Catherina Oct 2015 #42

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
2. Thank you Azmom! There are so many people here whose posts I appreciate
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:40 PM
Oct 2015

that I wouldn't even know where to start but you're for sure in the top part of the list!

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
8. I'm happy you appreciated it. I thought it was very good too
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 04:13 PM
Oct 2015

You're welcome RoccoR5955. Thanks for listening

Ron Green

(9,821 posts)
4. K&R. AND - Labor is an essential part of human life, while Capital... well, that's just
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 03:09 PM
Oct 2015

a claim upon human life, which seeks to diminish and exploit it.

And after all, support for human life is the direction in which we need to move.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
9. +1000. That exactly how I view it too.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 05:00 PM
Oct 2015

I see Bernie as a strong decent step towards that provided we use that economic pivot to keep moving in a direction that betters life for the US AND for places where we used neoconservative and neoliberal tools to exploit their labor and expropriate their wealth leaving them in in utter desolation. If we don't demand our reps value the lives of workers they exploit overseas, what makes us thing they'll respect our exploited labor here?

"support for human life is the direction in which we need to move"

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
16. It would be great it our school system taught Lincoln as he was
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:52 PM
Oct 2015

instead of condensing it to some mumbo jumbo about a civil war that "freed the slaves".

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
15. Indeed. Imagine! But isn't that what the corrupt British Labor party was meant as?
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:50 PM
Oct 2015

That's a serious question by the way.


I'm not so sure that laborism would be enough because there are still other important -isms like racism, militarism, materialism that need to be dealt with but rewarding actual work properly has to happen here.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
18. & explained to in a way that goes straight to the heart of the working man/woman
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 12:08 AM
Oct 2015

From the greatest VP there ever was before being chased out of the party by yesterday's DLC.

 

AOR

(692 posts)
14. Can't watch the vid with this junk computer...
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 07:43 PM
Oct 2015

but anything putting labor over capital is well worth a rec.

Solidarity Catherina

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
24. Thanks. I hope you're able to watch it one day
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 12:13 PM
Oct 2015

if only just to bookmark it as a great explanation of labor and capital. Solidarity

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
17. Bernie and Lincoln and Martin Luther King Jr all on the same page regarding this.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:57 PM
Oct 2015

Theft of labor is what we are now witnessing. Massive theft and it is stunning that any Democrat would go along with that.

Bernie doesn't of course, as he said in the Debate, Wall St 'doesn't like me' with a smile.

Maybe that should be a litmus test of who is qualified to be POTUS.

If Wall St loves you enough to pour money into your campaign, there is a reason for that.

Great quote from Lincoln.

Thanks for the post Catherina

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
25. It's mindbogglingly massive. Trillions and trillions
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 12:16 PM
Oct 2015

while workers struggle over small bills just to subsist?

"If Wall St loves you enough to pour money into your campaign, there is a reason for that."

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
28. It's shameful, even more that there is anyone calling themselves a Democrat who defends any
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 12:26 PM
Oct 2015

of this or anyone who is profiting from it, or taking Campaign Donations from them.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
21. I don't know Mary, young people DO seem to get that economic equality is extremely important
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 11:38 AM
Oct 2015

Last edited Sun Oct 18, 2015, 12:14 PM - Edit history (1)

wrt to empowering the people, ALL the people.

What I don't get is how those who claim to care about Civil Rights are not interested in empowering minorities economically. In fact it's almost as if they want to suppress any discussion of Economic Justice for AAs.

Bernie of course is right. They don't agree with him that AAs must have equal access to economic justice. Shameful imo, and makes me wonder why???

marym625

(17,997 posts)
22. I know that they understand the concept, just meant
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 11:51 AM
Oct 2015

The notion of it being played out is foreign to them. Literally and figuratively. Sorry, I said it badly.

Yes, Bernie gets it. But he's not a "pure" socialist. Which is a good thing. Balance is key. Right now, the scales aren't just tipped, they're completely broken.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
23. I agree it's difficult to grasp until it directly affects people personally. Young people are seeing
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 12:12 PM
Oct 2015

it now wrt to the horrific debt placed upon them if they want to go to college, eg. And the stagnation of wages when they start working after finishing their education.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
26. I dunno, the millennials I've been running across seem surprisingly in-tune to this
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 12:19 PM
Oct 2015

I think it's because they're growing up at a time where it's undeniable how harmful capitalism is to their future. I think it's because they never experienced the semi-good times that masked so many problems.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
33. Odd how that isn't much quoted. In fact I this is the first
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 12:35 PM
Oct 2015

time I've seen it. Hmm. I just can't imagine why.

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
34. Huh?
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 12:37 PM
Oct 2015

The sign inside reads, "revolutionary communist group."

Yes, step 1 is to elect Bernie Sanders a man who doesn't possess an elementary understanding of economics. Hearing him talk reminds me of the mindless chatter I heard at an OWS camp site back in 2011. "Hey man, we are oppressed because like, you know, we want free stuff."

Thankfully, Hillary will be our next president, and she does understand the importance of free markets.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
43. Thankfully the people are moving to a candidate who represents THEM. This election is
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 08:13 PM
Oct 2015

about the People's Candidate V All the Rest, who are all Corporate Funded and for Corporate power over our government.

Bernie will be the next president of the US.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
35. Thanks Catherina!
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 12:38 PM
Oct 2015

Informative! It was also an example of great multi-tasking by Mom...lol I remember that! Ha!

We (Son and I) enjoyed that interview.

K&R!

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