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Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 02:50 PM Oct 2015

Yesterday Charles Krauthammer. Today Mona Charen.

Last edited Sat Oct 17, 2015, 03:35 PM - Edit history (1)

These are two of the syndicated columnists in my local newspaper, like most in this country once independent and now owned and directed by a company trading in fear and nostalgia (lots of high school football and support for cops.)

Yesterday Krauthammer caricatured Bernie Sanders as "wild, wavy and loud," seeking to diminish and marginalize him while confidently proclaiming Hillary Clinton the nominee. Today's column by Charen, titled "Democratic Party: Not for grown-ups," spends much more time on Bernie, calling him "Santa Claus with a Brooklyn accent" and trotting out the long-discredited Wall Street Journal figure of $18 trillion. The piece devolves into a screed in which we've "been smothered in quasi-socialism for the past six years. The U.S. economy desperately needs a shot of capitalism and growth."

It's happening, Folks! While Krauthammer is still stuck at "Then they make fun of you," Mona Charen has moved firmly into "Then they fight you."

This is not 1971, although had the Internet existed back then we could now have a very different world. This is 2015, and the right and wrong sides of history are becoming clear right before us. Stay awake, stay strong - and if you're still defending the 20th Century status quo, think about changing - and fighting the good fight.

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Yesterday Charles Krauthammer. Today Mona Charen. (Original Post) Ron Green Oct 2015 OP
My opinion of both is they are neocons (eom) HassleCat Oct 2015 #1
I didn't know that anyone paid attention to either one of them anymore. potone Oct 2015 #2
People in small towns all over the country still read these local papers, and they are voters. Ron Green Oct 2015 #3
I am not so sure they are dying out. murielm99 Oct 2015 #19
Bilbo Baggins was a hero and a winner. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #4
Wasn't the "Bilbo Baggins" line from Karl Rove? nt Dale Neiburg Oct 2015 #5
I stand corrected; that was Rove's appellation. Ron Green Oct 2015 #7
Puckered orifices will be puckered orifices n/t whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #6
I don't know who Charon is (except in The Inferno), but Krauthammer is the epitome of a puckered erronis Oct 2015 #24
Mona Charen is still around? Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #8
I remember her mostly from the 90's on political talk shows on tv. m-lekktor Oct 2015 #9
She's a staple in my local daily, whose stable ranges from Bill O'Reilly to George Will. Ron Green Oct 2015 #10
Which is why so many rural citizens vote against their own economic interests. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #13
This is true even of Oregon, which surprises many. Ron Green Oct 2015 #14
Not just voting against their economic interests but often against many o their true values as well. hedda_foil Oct 2015 #29
This is so true. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #31
That seems pretty balanced to me. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #21
Hey, good indicators that Bernie is doing well! Now, if the right Hortensis Oct 2015 #11
Why are medical transcriptionists so right-wing? Fawke Em Oct 2015 #16
Some are, Fawke Em, but most are NOT transcriptionists. As I said, Hortensis Oct 2015 #27
they're Dems! thou shalt not criticize! MisterP Oct 2015 #12
Mika on Morning Joe has also used the $18 trillion which was proven a lie. Trillions will be saved. Skwmom Oct 2015 #15
I thought Santa Claus was a Republican? nxylas Oct 2015 #17
I'm thinking that Santa Claus may be a Democrat or at least left-leaning independent. Blue_In_AK Oct 2015 #26
Good to be hated by the right people nt FlatBaroque Oct 2015 #18
Neither one of them has the brains the FSM hifiguy Oct 2015 #20
I don't know this Mona Charen. Charles Krauthammer has been totally inaccurate for many years. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #22
The internet existed in 1971 but not the World Wide Web. NT Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #23
Then we win.... Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #25
They are both right wing fuckwads of the very worst sort you know. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #28
If you read the OP you'll see my point is that Bernie is escalating in attention paid to him by Ron Green Oct 2015 #30

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
3. People in small towns all over the country still read these local papers, and they are voters.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 03:14 PM
Oct 2015

These are largely the folks who don't rely on the 'Net for their info. They're dying out, but not fast enough to effect the change we need through demographics alone.

murielm99

(30,717 posts)
19. I am not so sure they are dying out.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 04:49 PM
Oct 2015

I read two local papers. I subscribe to one. So do many people younger than me. It is how we get our local news, which is much needed. Like many people here, we get the bulk of our info from the Internet, but still need local news.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
4. Bilbo Baggins was a hero and a winner.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 03:15 PM
Oct 2015

Clinton shares more of a worldview with Boromir, obsessed with seizing power to use it in violent struggle.

(ETA And Krauthammer is more of a Grima Wormtongue.)

erronis

(15,185 posts)
24. I don't know who Charon is (except in The Inferno), but Krauthammer is the epitome of a puckered
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 05:39 PM
Oct 2015

anus. His sleazy demeanor and hooded eyeballs just give me the creeps. When he attempts a smile I feel my guts react in revulsion.

Oh, were we talking about something that he said? Frankly, I can't watch nor listen to it so I can't have any informed opinion.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
8. Mona Charen is still around?
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 03:35 PM
Oct 2015

Our local paper used to carry her, then, when Princess Diana was killed in the auto accident, she wrote a column saying, basically, that if she would have been home taking care of her children like she was supposed to, she wouldn't have died. So, I guess, if you're a mom, you're never ever allowed to go anywhere without your children. Shortly after that, they stopped carrying her. The woman is a piece of work.

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
10. She's a staple in my local daily, whose stable ranges from Bill O'Reilly to George Will.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 03:39 PM
Oct 2015

I suspect this is the case all over small-town America, just as it is with AM radio.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
13. Which is why so many rural citizens vote against their own economic interests.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 03:50 PM
Oct 2015

They only hear right-wing talk radio and they're only given right-wing editorials in their local newspapers.

I've often said the red/blue divide isn't the Mason-Dixon line: it's the city/county line.

The fact is the South has more rural voters than city voters, so our states vote "red." Look at Pennsylvania. If it were not for the very large cities of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, that state would be red, too.

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
14. This is true even of Oregon, which surprises many.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 03:59 PM
Oct 2015

My hope is that the truth and simplicity of Bernie's message will withstand the organized attack from the establishment, and that people will understand That his election is not sufficient, but necessary to begin the transformational process that is our only chance.

hedda_foil

(16,371 posts)
29. Not just voting against their economic interests but often against many o their true values as well.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 08:19 PM
Oct 2015

Rural people are polled just as frequently as urbanites. Other than the flat out religious crazies, they're among the 85-90% of Americans who believe that everyone deserves healthcare, that fairness is.important, that the filthy rich.0001% should pay more in taxes than the struggling working and once-upon-a-time middle class, That corporations should keep jobs.in the USA and not in China, Vietnam or Indonesia. They're still the salt of the earth folks they've always been, but 40 years of constant brainwashing has all-too-often succeeded in warping how they view the world. Not all rural voters, of course, but too many of them.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
31. This is so true.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 08:42 PM
Oct 2015

I know a lot of rural salt-of-the-earth people who really have to think about it when you phrase things the way you do. Sadly, too often, however, they still fall back on the God, Gays and Guns arguments because it's all they've been told for decades.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
21. That seems pretty balanced to me.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 05:06 PM
Oct 2015

It sounds like your local paper is giving time to both sides of the story--old-style rob-you-blind Republicans and loudmouthed shiny-object-social-issue-screaming Republicans.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Hey, good indicators that Bernie is doing well! Now, if the right
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 03:48 PM
Oct 2015

starts using his name with the same loathing hiss as Hillary's, I'll know they're really afraid of him. If they eventually start ignoring Hillary to make up insulting variations of "Bernie" and rant constant filthy aspersions about his religion and politics, well...about then I'll be planning to vote for him for president.

Post from a particularly nasty little forum where this progress can be easily monitored. It's supposedly an industry forum but has very low standards and draws outsiders who appreciate a place where they can give their hostility and bigotry pretty free reign:

"In Reply to: Fuming Bernie supporters: Why is CNN deleting our - comments? "This is entertaining, bettr than the Sunnis and Shi'ites going - after ech other! I might have to go over to DU and stir up some trouble. I am guessing it's because the typical Bernie supporter can’t get to his second sentence without dropping an F-bomb based on things I've read myself."

See? Bernie's at stage I there, still has way to go. But at least the hostile right have him on their radar.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. Some are, Fawke Em, but most are NOT transcriptionists. As I said,
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 07:22 PM
Oct 2015

the forum allows a great deal of right-wing hostility not allowed elsewhere, and credentials are not required, so outsiders come there to act out. Some have undoubtedly been blocked from other political sites altogether and have found a home there.

BTW, the transcription industry is dying and its people grossly underpaid and otherwise abused. This whole website is known as something of a sewer, avoided by dignified people and those still doing okay, but it's really the only gathering place for people who want to complain to others in their boat and to look for jobs postings. I'm in a different medical line of work, which is how I know about this site.

There are some decent people trying to hold the line on the politics forum, but I drop in strictly for a quick idea of what the far right is saying -- unedited. Last time I looked must have been in 2014 because some were calling for armed military on the border to stop refugee children from entering the U.S. and infecting us all with their diseases. Oh, and of course to stop hoards of terrorists hiding among them. And this site is where I discovered the social right was truly outraged by Michelle suggesting we feed our children salad.

Makes DU look almost genteel, doesn't it?

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
15. Mika on Morning Joe has also used the $18 trillion which was proven a lie. Trillions will be saved.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 04:04 PM
Oct 2015

She has no qualms about putting out something that has already been proven a lie which tells you about her lack of journalistic ethics.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
17. I thought Santa Claus was a Republican?
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 04:44 PM
Oct 2015

After all, he always gives more and better presents to the rich kids.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
26. I'm thinking that Santa Claus may be a Democrat or at least left-leaning independent.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 05:50 PM
Oct 2015
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/15/santa-claus-north-pole-alasak-politician-medical-marijuana


He describes himself as being fiscally conservative and socially liberal and supports and uses medical marijuana.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
20. Neither one of them has the brains the FSM
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 05:03 PM
Oct 2015

gave to a fern. Corrupt neo-con hacks whose opinions aren't worth a tinker's fart.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
22. I don't know this Mona Charen. Charles Krauthammer has been totally inaccurate for many years.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 05:18 PM
Oct 2015

They both suck.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
28. They are both right wing fuckwads of the very worst sort you know.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 07:57 PM
Oct 2015

Mona Charen: Fiorina more serious candidate than Clinton
http://www.kentucky.com/2015/09/24/4054529/mona-charen-fiorina-more-serious.html

Krauthammer: Hillary Is ‘Easily Beaten’ If Republicans Pick ‘Dynamic Candidate’
http://dailycaller.com/2015/04/13/krauthammer-hillary-is-easily-beaten-if-republicans-pick-dynamic-candidate/


Right wing Republican assholes attack all Democrats. Is this something you are just now noticing?

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
30. If you read the OP you'll see my point is that Bernie is escalating in attention paid to him by
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 08:21 PM
Oct 2015

these lackeys. I take that as a positive development.

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